52% of Germans say Ukraine should cede Russian-occupied territories for peace, poll shows - so Brukraiexit it is then. Or send their umwanted Nazis to go and fight for them. 

 

https://kyivindependent.com/52-of-germans-say-ukraine-should-cede-occupied-territories-for-peace-poll-shows/

29 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

No one wants to hear it ? "Well, it's just your opinion man".

And since we already established you're just another ukrainian half-wit we also know, many people here don't even realize they should hear it. They just afraid of the truth like patient with rabies afraid of water.

If they are Ukrainian how old are they if they are under 60 off to the front. 

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

Normally I don't agree with you.

But in this case you are absolutely right.

Putin doesn’t want peace.

He needs to be forced to ever be willing to agree to a fair compromise.

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

52% of Germans say Ukraine should cede Russian-occupied territories for peace, poll shows - so Brukraiexit it is then. Or send their umwanted Nazis to go and fight for them. 

 

https://kyivindependent.com/52-of-germans-say-ukraine-should-cede-occupied-territories-for-peace-poll-shows/

Straw man argument. 

Putin's goals remain maximalist.

Total control of all Ukraine.

Erase all Ukrainian identity.

Murder or force out all non cooperators.

Make slaves of Ukrainians for further Russian expansion. Baltics etc.

Just now, Jingthing said:

Hopefully Ukraine with their motivation to not be slaves of Putin and technilogical superiority will be playing other cards to keep them going.

Ukraine wants peace and will compromise but they will not surrender.

But probably they have to surrender because no soldiers. Putin can continue his war over a long time. Ukraine can't.

And Trump does'nt have the power and intelligence to force Putin to a cease fire. And Europe are the bystanders. It will be a nasty time to come.

20 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

And where Ukraine gets the soldiers from? They will run out soon

EXACTLY !

Given 2 armies, equipped with the same amount of "military harware", historically, the army with more "boots on the ground" have won. The Russians can put more "boots on the ground" than the Ukraine ever could. Unfortunately.

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

But probably they have to surrender because no soldiers. Putin can continue his war over a long time. Ukraine can't.

And Trump does'nt have the power and intelligence to force Putin to a cease fire. And Europe are the bystanders. It will be a nasty time to come.

Without oil money Putin is toast.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin doesn’t want peace.

He needs to be forced to ever be willing to agree to a fair compromise.

I don't buy that.

Putin wants peace. But he will dictate how it will looks like. He could have had destroyed Ukraine by missiles already. That's not his goal.

And nobody can force him to do something. He got the Chinese behind him.

And don't forget.......he's a business partner...still.

1 minute ago, swissie said:

 

EXACTLY !

Given 2 armies, equipped with the same amount of "military harware", historically, the army with more "boots on the ground" have won. The Russians can put more "boots on the ground" than the Ukraine ever could. Unfortunately.

 

You're wrong.

Its not only about soldiers and timy movements of front lines.

There are other aspects.

Just now, newbee2022 said:

I don't buy that.

Putin wants peace. But he will dictate how it will looks like. He could have had destroyed Ukraine by missiles already. That's not his goal.

And nobody can force him to do something. He got the Chinese behind him.

And don't forget.......he's a business partner...still.

Putin wants surrender.

Ukraine won't surrender.

Ipso facto Putin doesn’t want peace.

24:38 — Russian fuel situation
He discusses the ongoing fuel crunch in Russia. It’s both holiday and harvest season, but the military gets priority, which drives up prices and squeezes civilian supply. However, the military primarily runs on diesel, which is in surplus, so their operations aren’t constrained. Still, a full-scale crisis is far off: refineries tend to come back online quickly. It’s a tit-for-tat dynamic, much like with Ukraine. Urals crude prices remain stable, meaning overall supply is more or less balanced. But as supply tightens, prices inevitably rise.

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2025/08/russia-war-gasoline-problem?lang=en&utm_source=carnegieemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=autoemail&mkt_tok=ODEzLVhZVS00MjIAAAGchPLdKu1CuRyow_wRE-i2fJFRlhjuevtb80FeHiUAuIUO7mFTksG4IgoRuktQ7QMzFZh4L5zcums709xVPR9UoNWuZzIARIXX_mY1xZM-Fdk0

 

That said, larger shortages could push the government to more extreme steps. The simplest option would be for officials to abolish all price controls, allowing the market to balance supply and demand—including by redirecting fuel to deficit-stricken regions. While effective, this would cause short-term suffering for ordinary Russians, particularly farmers, and it goes against the government’s increasingly dirigiste instincts. But in an emergency, it’s possible an exception could be made (just as the central bank is allowed to pursue a tight monetary policy). Other options for officials would be to temporarily relax standards on motor fuel and allow the country’s mini-refineries to sell their off-grade products as motor fuel. If the worst comes to the worst, a crisis measure would be gasoline rationing.  

For now, however, none of this appears imminent. There is still a long way to go before the transport, agriculture, and industrial sectors—or, most importantly, the army—experience any significant fuel shortages.

 

 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Without oil money Putin is toast.

That's your dream. But not all dreams come true.

Putin got around 500 ships carrying gas, oil and other things to where it's needed. Not stoppable. A sourrce of billions of USD

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin wants surrender.

Ukraine won't surrender.

Ipso facto Putin doesn’t want peace.

I don't think so.

I wil remind you at the right time.

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That's your dream. But not all dreams come true.

Putin got around 500 ships carrying gas, oil and other things to where it's needed. Not stoppable. A sourrce of billions of USD

......... and "the West" not able to stop him.

Ukraine's main chance was always about technological breakthroughs.

That's how they are winning now.

Russia is all about terrorism and murdering civilians. 

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

24:38 — Russian fuel situation
He discusses the ongoing fuel crunch in Russia. It’s both holiday and harvest season, but the military gets priority, which drives up prices and squeezes civilian supply. However, the military primarily runs on diesel, which is in surplus, so their operations aren’t constrained. Still, a full-scale crisis is far off: refineries tend to come back online quickly. It’s a tit-for-tat dynamic, much like with Ukraine. Urals crude prices remain stable, meaning overall supply is more or less balanced. But as supply tightens, prices inevitably rise.

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2025/08/russia-war-gasoline-problem?lang=en&utm_source=carnegieemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=autoemail&mkt_tok=ODEzLVhZVS00MjIAAAGchPLdKu1CuRyow_wRE-i2fJFRlhjuevtb80FeHiUAuIUO7mFTksG4IgoRuktQ7QMzFZh4L5zcums709xVPR9UoNWuZzIARIXX_mY1xZM-Fdk0

 

That said, larger shortages could push the government to more extreme steps. The simplest option would be for officials to abolish all price controls, allowing the market to balance supply and demand—including by redirecting fuel to deficit-stricken regions. While effective, this would cause short-term suffering for ordinary Russians, particularly farmers, and it goes against the government’s increasingly dirigiste instincts. But in an emergency, it’s possible an exception could be made (just as the central bank is allowed to pursue a tight monetary policy). Other options for officials would be to temporarily relax standards on motor fuel and allow the country’s mini-refineries to sell their off-grade products as motor fuel. If the worst comes to the worst, a crisis measure would be gasoline rationing.  

For now, however, none of this appears imminent. There is still a long way to go before the transport, agriculture, and industrial sectors—or, most importantly, the army—experience any significant fuel shortages.

 

 

Oil is money for Putin's genocide machine.

Report: Russia punishes its own troops with defective artillery rounds, units judged to have underperformed in battle are deliberately given the worst ammunition.

 

Many of the poor quality shells are said to miss their targets by up to two kilometres.

 

According to The Institute for the Study of War, Russian artillery crews are increasingly receiving shells produced in Russia or imported from North Korea. These munitions are described as both unreliable and wildly inaccurate, leaving frontline troops both frustrated and more exposed.

 

Report: Russia punishes its own troops with defective artillery rounds | Watch

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I don't think so.

I wil remind you at the right time.

I'm not making predictions about the final outcome.

Nobody knows 

Russia could still win.

But right now Ukraine has the momentum.

Yea mainly about the massive success with drones against Russian oil.

Also the promise of Flamingos and not having hands tied by Putin loving Trump.

 

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Straw man argument. 

Putin's goals remain maximalist.

Total control of all Ukraine.

Erase all Ukrainian identity.

Murder or force out all non cooperators.

Make slaves of Ukrainians for further Russian expansion. Baltics etc.

 

You forgot reforge the Soviet Onion, world domination, and.......

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

You forgot reforge the Soviet Onion, world domination, and.......

Go elsewhere to troll.

21 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

And Trump doesn't have the power and intelligence to force Putin to a cease fire. And Europe are the bystanders. It will be a nasty time to come.

The Don wants to do deals with the Ruskies. But, IMO, he is not as in control as he, and many onlookers, think he is.

 

To think that the US hierarchy care about the Ukrainian people is laughable. For years the US, and UK, wanted to destroy Russia and carve it up. The Don knows this is not possible, but can see the day where deals are made to exploit Russia's vast resources.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The Don wants to do deals with the Ruskies. But, IMO, he is not as in control as he, and many onlookers, think he is.

 

To think that the US hierarchy care about the Ukrainian people is laughable. For years the US, and UK, wanted to destroy Russia and carve it up. The Don knows this is not possible, but can see the day where deals are made to exploit Russia's vast resources.

Putin isn't Interested in that.

He knows Trump is so uses that to play him.

Meanwhile in occupied Ukraine they dont have water.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-backed-head-donetsk-says-moscow-must-capture-canal-ukraine-solve-water-2025-08-25/

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Putin isn't Interested in that.

He knows Trump is so uses that to play him.

President Putin is putting his country first. He has no intention of bending the knee to anyone. What can the west do? IMO, wise up and stop the slaughter. Make trade not war.

 

I don't like admitting it, as I'm myself English, but England is the head of the snake in all this.

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

President Putin is putting his country first. He has no intention of bending the knee to anyone. What can the west do? IMO, wise up and stop the slaughter. Make trade not war.

 

I don't like admitting it, as I'm myself English, but England is the head of the snake in all this.

President Putin is putting Vladimir Putin and his regime first.

The primary motivation for his genocidal war on Ukraine is REGIME SURVIVAL.

You talk as if Putin is a decent human being. That is INSANE.

You talk as if any peace compromise from him can be trusted. That is INSANE.

I agree Putin won't back down voluntarily. He can't. His life and regime are over if he does. The moron Trump STILL doesn't seem to get that.

But Putin can be put in his place by FORCE. 

Economics and military. 

Yes that would ultimately lead to Putin's end. So what? Why would anyone who isn't a monster care about that? 

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You're wrong.

Its not only about soldiers and timy movements of front lines.

There are other aspects.

What other aspects, may I ask. In the end it's the Frontlines that creates "new countries" and new borders. You mention the "slow progress" that the Russians make. With a well payed "voluntieer amy" so far. As opposed to the Ukraine.

 

Imagine what happens if the Russians start to "conscript" 3 million young Russians if necessary. Called to defend "Mother Russia". You must start to comprehend that Russians see their close family as close as "Mother Russia". It's just something that we "in the West" have never understood.

 

The "west" has never understood the Russian mentality. That is the root of the problem. 

1 minute ago, swissie said:

 

What other aspects, may I ask. In the end it's the Frontlines that creates "new countries" and new borders. You mention the "slow progress" that the Russians make. With a well payed "voluntieer amy" so far. As opposed to the Ukraine.

 

Imagine what happens if the Russians start to "conscript" 3 million young Russians if necessary. Called to defend "Mother Russia". You must start to comprehend that Russians see their close family as close as "Mother Russia". It's just something that we "in the West" have never understood.

 

The "west" has never understood the Russian mentality. That is the root of the problem. 

 

Russia is running low on money to buy new soldiers.

Russia has gained one percent more land in 1000 days.

That is NOT winning! 

Putin is finding impossible to take Donbass so he thinks he can snooker Trump into forcing Ukraine to surrender it.

I've already posted lots about the other aspects. No repeats just for you.

On 8/25/2025 at 11:05 PM, Jingthing said:

To assert otherwise is to parrot Russian propaganda.

Don't fall for that. So many have, on this forum, President Trump and his vile ignorance and idiocy saying Ukraine has no cards, etc.

Hint -- look at the bigger picture beyond the tiny land gains Russia has made in the last 1000 days (tiny win, massive sacrifices).

The war is about much more than that.

Ukraine is not winning overwhelmingly; it remains an intense epic struggle, but on balance they are doing better than Russia and Putin has failed miserably to achieve his goals of his invasion of 2022.

Putin obviously wants Ukraine to surrender. Trump depending on his fickle mood at the time also wants Ukraine to surrender.

Countries that are winning, even modestly, are not ever going to surrender.

 

 

 

 

 

"To better understand the state of the war and Russia’s battlefield performance, this analysis asks: How successful has the Russian military been in achieving the Kremlin’s objectives? What factors have contributed to this outcome? To answer these questions, this assessment examines several indicators of Russia’s battlefield performance: the relative rate of advance of Russian forces, the size of Russian territorial gains, the scope of equipment losses, and fatality and overall casualty rates. The evidence suggests that Russia has largely failed to achieve its primary objectives and has suffered high costs."

 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-battlefield-woes-ukraine

 

 

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Russia is running low on money to buy new soldiers.

Russia has gained one percent more land in 1000 days.

That is NOT winning! 

Putin is finding impossible to take Donbass so he thinks he can snooker Trump into forcing Ukraine to surrender it.

I've already posted lots about the other aspects. No repeats just for you.

Surely, Katharina the Great has quired more land for  Russia than Putin has so far.

 

But it's not about "territorrial gains" this time around, It's about the cursed eastward expansion of NATO that was promessed that would never happen by Chanceller Helmut Kohl .

 

PS: The Ukraine will lose this war, no matter how you slice it. Period.

 

 

The EU is host to 600 thousand Ukrainian deserters. Imagine how strong Ukraine would be if these deserters were instead serving in the Ukrainian forces. Ukraine would occupy Moscow by now.

 

Not that I in a position to blame the deserters for deserting.