16 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Ukraine offers nothing that the world cant get somewhere else

What about, "Life"..........?  🤔

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

For what? Allowing you to again show your ignorance?

 

What does your copied and pasted and stolen plagiarized comment have to do with the issue. Want me to try again?

 

What does the Ukraine have that no other country has?

Hopefully, not have people like you........

17 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

The use of "loosers" indicates that you did.

 

Loose = not tight

Looser = less tight

 

Lose= not win

Loser = someone who did/does not win

 

My apologies for the lecture if you're not a native or near-native English speaker.

 

I'm not, thank you @Etaoin Shrdlu for understanding and pointing my mistake 

I think the opposite the oil is burning and the economy is going into recession Flamingo the mothers Ukraine 🤔

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

For what? Allowing you to again show your ignorance?

 

What does your copied and pasted and stolen plagiarized comment have to do with the issue. Want me to try again?

 

What does the Ukraine have that no other country has?

Wrong question comrade Genrikh. 

It should be "What does any country have that no other country has?" 

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Nor has your lying rhetoric. The world would spin very nicely without Ukraine.

The world would spin very nicely without USA too. Perhaps even nicer.

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On 8/29/2025 at 2:03 PM, TimBKK said:

The irony of a Trump acolyte talking about corruption 

Trump acolyte ? Yeah, I've seen many of them here. Trump is at the same level of corruption and mendacity as komedian Zelensky

1 hour ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

The use of "loosers" indicates that you did.

 

Loose = not tight

Looser = less tight

 

Lose= not win

Loser = someone who did/does not win

 

My apologies for the lecture if you're not a native or near-native English speaker.

 

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2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Interesting that those who were saying Ukraine is winning the war are now deflecting to Trump is Putin's man or Blackrock are loving this instead of admitting to the reality that Russia has the upper hand on the battlefield and continues taking more territory on a daily basis. 

Putin do not have the upper hand, but he do as I said he would do after the invasion and I got heat saying Putin will tire out all the allies because he got all the time he need. 

 

But we are passed that point long time ago now, and you say this is a good reason to give up? After wasting a million people on the battle ground soon? Im not sure what to believe when it comes to casualties because the first thing that’s happening in a war, the truth disappears and becomes propaganda. Still this is a war we can not lose. We could had made a deal with Putin back then, but now, should not happen, 

2 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

Devastation of the monument „Slaughter of Volhynia”. The detainee is a teenager from Ukraine

 

The Internal Security Agency and the police detained a 17-year-old Ukrainian citizen who was supposed to place Bandera flags and slogans promoting Nazi ideology on buildings and monuments in Poland.

 

https://www.rp.pl/przestepczosc/art42852231-dewastacja-pomnika-rzez-wolynska-zatrzymany-to-nastolatek-z-ukrainy

 

Another young mind poisoned by twisted, sick ideology. We face problems with nazi Ukrainians in my country everyday. Article in polish language but easy to translate it in the browser.

You're actively spreading Kremlin propaganda here. The Nazi equivalents in this conflict are coming from RUSSIA. 

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Putin do not have the upper hand

Russia is winning on the battlefield. This is undeniable to all but the blind. Let me get in first before someoine says it will take 100 years to take Ukraine or some such nonsense. This is a war of attrition. This summer's offensive will, however, see the largest amount of territory gained since 2023. Zelenskky himself has said that Ukraine cannot win back lost territory militarily.

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Russia is winning on the battlefield. This is undeniable to all but the blind. Let me get in first before someoine says it will take 100 years to take Ukraine or some such nonsense. This is a war of attrition. This summer's offensive will, however, see the largest amount of territory gained since 2023. Zelenskky himself has said that Ukraine cannot win back lost territory militarily.

Russia is winning on the battlefield now MODESTLY.

Ukraine is winning on the destroy Russia's oil refinery capacity and thus the funding of Putin's war of choice SPECTACULARLY.

Be honest.

This war is MULTIFACETED. 

On 8/29/2025 at 8:55 PM, t0mt0m said:

Apparently not in Ukraine. Everyday in Poland I see strong and healthy men having fun in expensive restaurants, unempolyed, often drunk, driving their expensive SUVs and having fun while still taking welfare money. This is event below took place just couple of weeks ago. You can look how this banderite savage mob behave and open your eyes. Maybe you can explain how is this possible that those savages are not on banderstate battlefield ? In my hometown Wroclaw 6/10 police interventions applays to ukrainians.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwocrIzlLtQ&t=17s

 

And one more link, please watch and compare. Look at this poor guy below. He probably didn't have enough money to bribe high posiotioned banderite military officials. Ther's thousands videos like this.

 

https://cw24.tv/video/warleaks-3153-pakowanie-miesa-na-ukrainie/

 

Many Poles alredy see and feel that Ukrainians are much bigger threat for us than Russia which allegedly trying to take over whole middle east Europe and only banderites stopping them LOL. Ridiculous.

 

 

A Putin supporting Pole. I'm sure you're very popular in Poland.😆

15 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Nor has your lying rhetoric. The world would spin very nicely without Ukraine.

I could ask you what your point is but we both know that would be a wast of time.

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

A Putin supporting Pole. I'm sure you're very popular in Poland.😆

Unfortunate there is a shift in the polish opinion about Ukraine and Ukraine's

 

https://mieroszewski.pl/en/knowledge/public-opinion-research/ukraine-as-seen-by-poles

 

it seems Putin winning the information/propaganda war, not only in the west but also in former east block countries who are directly involved in the refugee situation and the economic aspect around the support directly and indirectly 

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Russia is winning on the battlefield now MODESTLY.

Ukraine is winning on the destroy Russia's oil refinery capacity and thus the funding of Putin's war of choice SPECTACULARLY.

Be honest.

This war is MULTIFACETED. 

All wars are multifaceted, wars of attrition especially. Yep the long range hits on fuel resources is going to impact but more so the population than the armed forces. As it stands it's said that 20% refining capacity has been affected. This doesn't mean that the 20% is permenantely offline. Deisel is what the Russian army runs on so massive permanent impacts on production would need to happen and happen deep inside russian territory. Fact of the matter is it's still boots on the ground that wins a war like this and in this respect Russia has the upper hand.

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

All wars are multifaceted, wars of attrition especially. Yep the long range hits on fuel resources is going to impact but more so the population than the armed forces. As it stands it's said that 20% refining capacity has been affected. This doesn't mean that the 20% is permenantely offline. Deisel is what the Russian army runs on so massive permanent impacts on production would need to happen and happen deep inside russian territory. Fact of the matter is it's still boots on the ground that wins a war like this and in this respect Russia has the upper hand.

Russia cant waste young people to long before it eventually will be a stop when old grandmothers sit down in protests again, and he also will run out of stock missiles and armors not only Human Resources. 

 

We know russias gain of territorie now is because of the last attempt to win over more people to finely settle the war on Putins terms, but he cant continue like this for long. 

 

At the same time Trump is restricting Ukraine to not use certain weapons and also targets limiting Ukraine to fight back on same terms as Russia. 

 

Still the war is F bullock war while Europe and USA and the rest of the world trading with Russia with little restrictions. 

16 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Nor has your lying rhetoric. The world would spin very nicely without Ukraine.

What would be happening now if Gadaffi was still in power, or Pol pot, or Saddam Yagoda ? they didn't provide anything to the west but the west do not stand by and watch Butchers killing civillians or storming into another country to kill and rape. There's a difference between conscription and using other men from another country to fight on there behalf as is the case of North Korean's put in the meat Grinder in Ukraine.

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

All wars are multifaceted, wars of attrition especially. Yep the long range hits on fuel resources is going to impact but more so the population than the armed forces. As it stands it's said that 20% refining capacity has been affected. This doesn't mean that the 20% is permenantely offline. Deisel is what the Russian army runs on so massive permanent impacts on production would need to happen and happen deep inside russian territory. Fact of the matter is it's still boots on the ground that wins a war like this and in this respect Russia has the upper hand.

Russia's main strategy now is TERRORISM.

They think they will destroy the will of the Ukrainian people with that.

I think they're wrong.

But as far as Ukraine's offense strategy, it's all about the attacks on oil and how quickly they can move 20 percent to 50 percent.

50 percent would mean long gas lines in Moscow and yes the military being impacted.

That will mean political problems within Russia.

A million angry Russians storming the Kremlin which would mean Putin's demise is hardly likely, but the longer the Moscow gas lines, the longer they last, that chance increases.

If Ukraine can do that quickly enough, they will save their country.

Russia of course will find new ways to defend against that so time is of the essence.

If they can't, I would join pessimists club that Ukraine will be toast.

I've said Ukraine is winning which they really are when you add it all up in the short term because of the oil success.

But that doesn't mean they will win in the end.

I don't know and neither do you.

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

What would be happening now if Gadaffi was still in power, or Pol pot, or Saddam Yagoda ? they didn't provide anything to the west but the west do not stand by and watch Butchers killing civillians or storming into another country to kill and rape. There's a difference between conscription and using other men from another country to fight on there behalf as is the case of North Korean's put in the meat Grinder in Ukraine.

There is some controversy to your statement, overthrowing those dictators led the world out in a war where millions of lives where lost, and millions still trying to recover. 

 

Those dictators managed to keep the middle East on track, even there where minorities who suffered under their control, the intervention by the west made it far more unpredictable and we saw the final results in ISIS coming and occupied resources and also put Europe safety on stake for years to come. 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Spell check no longer active. At least not for me.

 

My MAGA detector works reasonably well most of the time. It notices how posters manage to navigate loose/lose, their/there/they're, and your/you're.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Russia is winning on the battlefield. This is undeniable to all but the blind. Let me get in first before someoine says it will take 100 years to take Ukraine or some such nonsense. This is a war of attrition. This summer's offensive will, however, see the largest amount of territory gained since 2023. Zelenskky himself has said that Ukraine cannot win back lost territory militarily.

Germany won on the battlefield, they stood at Leningrad and Moscow if you remember, and they lost the war because of allies managed to pull together and conquer Germany. 

I doubt if everyone is losing. There are many people making fortunes from the war. Wars have always been good for some but in general terrible for the actual soldiers

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Germany won on the battlefield, they stood at Leningrad and Moscow if you remember, and they lost the war because of allies managed to pull together and conquer Germany. 

So Germany didn't win on the battlefield. Your reference is of course WWII which in many aspects was a war of moneouver on the battlefield. This war is more akin to WW1 which was a true war of attrition.

I’ve been hearing “Ukraine will lose the war” for almost four years now. It’s nothing but Kremlin propaganda. Even the village idiot in the White House occasionally parrots these Moscow fairy tales. Yet Ukraine is still standing and fighting, while Russia’s so-called “successes” are laughable -especially compared to their original grand ambitions.

Ukraine, keep on fighting! In many ways, you’ve already won. You’ve stopped the aggressor in his tracks. Without the heroic resistance of the Ukrainian people, Putin would already be toying with NATO’s borders - pressuring the Baltic states and Poland.

And notice how other former Soviet countries, like Azerbaijan and Armenia, now dare to distance themselves from Moscow. This would never have happened without Putin’s failures in Ukraine, which exposed the true weakness of his empire.

35 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

I’ve been hearing “Ukraine will lose the war” for almost four years now. It’s nothing but Kremlin propaganda. Even the village idiot in the White House occasionally parrots these Moscow fairy tales. Yet Ukraine is still standing and fighting, while Russia’s so-called “successes” are laughable -especially compared to their original grand ambitions.

Ukraine, keep on fighting! In many ways, you’ve already won. You’ve stopped the aggressor in his tracks. Without the heroic resistance of the Ukrainian people, Putin would already be toying with NATO’s borders - pressuring the Baltic states and Poland.

And notice how other former Soviet countries, like Azerbaijan and Armenia, now dare to distance themselves from Moscow. This would never have happened without Putin’s failures in Ukraine, which exposed the true weakness of his empire.

I don't think you have been listening properly. Some who don't ride the "short bus" realize that Putin can't take all of Ukraine and then go marching into Europe but he can take the oblasts he wants and continues down that path. Zylenkyy has admitted that Ukraine cannot regain the ground lost. Please tell me this is "Kremlin propaganda".

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/59137

President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia will never occupy Ukraine but acknowledged that Kyiv currently cannot reclaim all its internationally recognized territories by military means. Speaking at a press conference before talks with US officials in New York, Zelensky emphasized that diplomacy, international sanctions, and security guarantees are key to protecting the country.

“We all understand that today Ukraine cannot fully restore all its territories by force of arms. They [Russia] don’t have enough strength, and we don’t have enough strength. Therefore, when we talk about what society and people believe in, I consider that today the diplomatic path means fewer killings, fewer losses, and is faster than the path of war,” the channel My-Ukraine reports reports Zelensky saying.

He outlined Ukraine’s three levels of security guarantees:

• Maintaining a large Ukrainian army equipped with weapons of Ukrainian, American, and European production.
• Agreements with NATO partners at the leader level, ensuring readiness to support Ukraine in case of new Russian aggression.
• Sanctions against Russia and the use of frozen Russian assets for Ukraine’s postwar recovery.

31 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I don't think you have been listening properly. Some who don't ride the "short bus" realize that Putin can't take all of Ukraine and then go marching into Europe but he can take the oblasts he wants and continues down that path. Zylenkyy has admitted that Ukraine cannot regain the ground lost. Please tell me this is "Kremlin propaganda".

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/59137

President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia will never occupy Ukraine but acknowledged that Kyiv currently cannot reclaim all its internationally recognized territories by military means. Speaking at a press conference before talks with US officials in New York, Zelensky emphasized that diplomacy, international sanctions, and security guarantees are key to protecting the country.

“We all understand that today Ukraine cannot fully restore all its territories by force of arms. They [Russia] don’t have enough strength, and we don’t have enough strength. Therefore, when we talk about what society and people believe in, I consider that today the diplomatic path means fewer killings, fewer losses, and is faster than the path of war,” the channel My-Ukraine reports reports Zelensky saying.

He outlined Ukraine’s three levels of security guarantees:

• Maintaining a large Ukrainian army equipped with weapons of Ukrainian, American, and European production.
• Agreements with NATO partners at the leader level, ensuring readiness to support Ukraine in case of new Russian aggression.
• Sanctions against Russia and the use of frozen Russian assets for Ukraine’s postwar recovery.

But you ignore the word "today" from the Zelenskiy's speech. Which means "under the current circumstances". Despite how strong and monolithic Russia might look to some on the surface, in reality it is like every empire - doomed to collapse, and likely to implode quickly. As someone who closely follows internal events in Russia, I see an unprecedented level of repression against even the smallest signs of dissent. To me, this situation looks unsustainable, especially for a European country in the 21st century.

And when the moment comes - when serious internal changes rip Russia apart from within - the Ukrainian army could regain in just weeks everything it has lost over these years.