1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

The shootings in Chicago are mostly down to urban gang violence.  Bad guys are whacking other bad guys, but plenty of innocent victims are killed or wounded because these guys are poor shots or target the wrong person.

 

And the Dems would rather see that continue than allow Trump to score a win against gang violence.

 

Sad, really.  I spent my first 10 years across the street from Chicago proper (Elmwood Park), and we were allowed to go out as sub-teen kids to the local parks and stores and hot dog stand (3 Chicago dogs with fries for $1) with no adult supervision.  I wouldn't dream of letting a kid play alone there today.

 

On an aside, my grandmother used to send us out to the corner store with a note to pick up her Schlitz and her smokes.  How the world has changed...   She always had a warm sixer of Schlitz under her bed.  But that's another topic for a different subforum.

 

13 hours ago, KhunLA said:

How is that possible ?

 

Chicago and Illinois having some of the strictest gun laws & penalties.  They don't seem to be working very well.   Go figure.

 

You mean ... the criminals aren't obeying the laws.  Say it's not so ... 

Guns probably come from Indiana.

Chicago to Gary, Indiana is 31 miles.

An afternoon shopping trip.

 

"Indiana has some of the most permissive gun laws in the country, with permitless carry in effect since July 1, 2022, allowing individuals 18 and older to carry handguns openly or concealed without a permit, provided they are not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm. There is no state firearm registration, and no permit or background check is required for private firearm sales. " Google AI overview.

17 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

 There is no state firearm registration, and no permit or background check is required for private firearm sales. " Google AI overview.

Emphasis on private firearms sales, but still age restricted.  As it's a lot easier and cheaper to buy one illegally on the street.  

 

Few people that I know, that owned firearms, would sell them, let alone to a stranger.  From experienced knowledge, much easier & cheaper to buy illegally.

 

Then there are these little tidbits of info below of course ... which are irrelevant, since criminals don't follow the law.   Banning firearms, leaves law abiding citizens unprotected.  Doesn't stop criminals from owning & using, obviously.

 

That doesn't see to be sinking in with a few people.  Go figure 

 

 

 

Some people just like the feeling of power a gun gives them and don’t think too much about the consequences.

3 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

Some people just like the feeling of power a gun gives them and don’t think too much about the consequences.

Like not being raped, injured or killed by a criminal.  Yea, horrible consequences 

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Like not being raped, injured or killed by a criminal.  Yea, horrible consequences 

Have most gun owners stopped a violent crime with their weapon?

 

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

How is that possible ?

Murica mate, everyone (left, right and center) has their head up the derrieres when it comes to guns.

Too many people only look on the bad side of gun crime in Chicago.

 

The bright side is that Chicago makes the most efficient use of its snowplows. In the winter, they clear the snow. In the summer, they clear the shell casings.

Unless you are accusing gun manufacturers and dealers of making illegal sales, all guns come into private hands subsequent to a legal sale.

Then illegal sales in all probability move the guns from owner to owner.

Restricting legal sales could decrease the volume of illegal sales.

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14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Hell no ... let them kill each other.  

Exactly.  Help out the non sanctuary cities and let Chicago on their own. 

19 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Have most gun owners stopped a violent crime with their weapon?

I know a few, inclusive, that have stopped crime with their, (my) firearms.   Those things rarely make the left controlled MSM.

 

Your not living in the real world.   Your theory of, if legal sales were banned, criminals wouldn't have access to firearms.   Sort of like drugs are illegal, and yet  ... 

14 hours ago, riclag said:

You put your thumb on the scale & magnitude of a city gone to hell.

Chicago’s 37 shot and 5 dead this weekend,kids and gangs slinging illegal guns like it’s a turf war movie,prove it’s a hellhole.Send in the Calvary.

 

Calvary has several meanings primarily referring to the hill outside Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified, also known as Golgotha ("Place of the Skull").

Possibly you meant Cavalry which means soldiers who fight on horseback.

 

"You put your thumb on the scale & magnitude of a city gone to hell."

'To "put a thumb on the scale" is an idiom meaning to introduce an unfair bias or exert undue influence to manipulate an outcome in one's favor. It stems from the literal act of a dishonest merchant pressing their thumb onto a scale to make a product appear heavier, thus charging the customer more than the true weight.'

 

Not sure what you were trying to say maybe something like "you put your finger on the problem"?

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

 

Calvary has several meanings primarily referring to the hill outside Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified, also known as Golgotha ("Place of the Skull").

Possibly you meant Cavalry which means soldiers who fight on horseback.

 

"You put your thumb on the scale & magnitude of a city gone to hell."

'To "put a thumb on the scale" is an idiom meaning to introduce an unfair bias or exert undue influence to manipulate an outcome in one's favor. It stems from the literal act of a dishonest merchant pressing their thumb onto a scale to make a product appear heavier, thus charging the customer more than the true weight.'

 

Not sure what you were trying to say maybe something like "you put your finger on the problem"?

Insane 

58 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Have most gun owners stopped a violent crime with their weapon?

 

 

These gun owners did.  About a week ago.  This case is especially egregious since the bad guys were dressed as cops.  They kind of gave themselves away when they started firing through the victim's door.  And the victim fired back.  Because they had a gun.

 

Men Posing as Cops Open Fire Through the Front Door, But the Homeowners Were a Better Shot

 

 By Ole Braatelien  August 31, 2025 at 6:00am

 

Two police impersonators died after trying to invade a home in Houston, Texas.

 

Betcha won't read about that on CNN or MSDNC.  They don't like to cover "Good guy with a gun" stories.

 

Home Page - The Western Journal

 

The number of shootings needs to be updated,

Chicago shootings: At least 43 shot, 7 fatally, in Labor Day weekend gun violence, police say

CHICAGO (WLS) -- At least 43 people have been shot, seven fatally, in shootings across Chicago so far this Labor Day weekend, police said.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-shootings-labor-day-weekend-least-32-shot-3-fatally-gun-violence-city-police-department-says/17701051/

15 hours ago, riclag said:

The left would have you believe everything is under control in Chicago ! Other cities areas with a similar population can't match the violence. Congrats to Governor Pritzker and Mayor Johnson for their masterful control of Chicago's gun violence,last year's Labor Day weekend saw  31 shot with 5 dead, and this year you've upgraded it to 37 shot with the same body count,  progress some Americans refuse to appreciate,.

"Chicago shootings: At least 35 shot, 5 fatally, in Labor Day weekend gun violence, police say".This is up from 2024.

 

https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-shootings-labor-day-weekend-least-32-shot-3-fatally-gun-violence-city-police-department-says/17701051/

https://abc7chicago.com/live-updates/chicago-shootings-weekend-gun-violence-city-police-say-live-news-updates/15252205/

The Story is based on a ABC7 local affiliate Story

 

 

The right would have you believe guns are not a problem ! Other cities areas with a similar population can't match the violence of Chicago....although, to be fair, they are probably going to give it a b****y good go.

 

 

I think we should all put our hands together and pray that the left don't try and bring in gun controls.

 

 

 

 

FBI reports suggest that armed civilians stop active shooters in about 4.4% of cases......1 in 20.

 

 

The solution is obvious......if 1 in 20 active shooters are taken out by civilians.......more civilians should be carrying guns and get this figure up to......1 in 10????

 

The US needs more people prepared to arm themselves on a daily basis.

7 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

FBI reports suggest that armed civilians stop active shooters in about 4.4% of cases......1 in 20.

 

 

The solution is obvious......if 1 in 20 active shooters are taken out by civilians.......more civilians should be carrying guns and get this figure up to......1 in 10????

 

The US needs more people prepared to arm themselves on a daily basis.

The misnomer "active shooter" refers to persons perpetrating a mass shooting.

So this stat only applies to those events.

 

"Mass shootings account for a very small fraction of total U.S. gun deaths, representing less than 1% to 2% of all gun deaths.The vast majority of gun deaths are suicides (over 50%) and homicides (around 40%)" Google AI Overview

 

The vast majority of US gun deaths are suicides. So gun ownership is directly related to these deaths.

 

The varying bases of statistics make gun death stats hard to interpret but family members are often victims. So in this case gun ownership is directly related to death of a family member.

 

"The percentage of gun deaths involving family members varies by type of incident; for example, about 12-16% of homicides are committed by family members, while nearly 59% of children killed in mass shootings die at the hands of a family member." Google AI overview.

 

So the interventions in mass shootings contribute only to reducing that 1% of gun deaths while a gun in the home facilitates suicide and murder of a family member or intimate partner.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bannoi said:

Some people just like the feeling of power a gun gives them and don’t think too much about the consequences.

 

Along the same lines......physical separation possibly plays part.????.....shooting someone from 20m away and not seeing in detail the effects is very different to a face to face fist fight or a knife fight where you are at much greater personal risk yourself.

 

You could argue shooting a gun is for cowards.

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Updated again:  50 shot, eight dead.  Official police figures for the Labor Day weekend will be released Tuesday morning.

Labor Day weekend brings violence to Chicago,

with dozens shot and 8 killed as of early Monday morning

CHICAGO (WGN) — It’s been a violent Labor Day weekend in Chicago so far, with dozens of shooting victims and multiple deaths reported around the city since Friday evening.

The Chicago Police Department will release official numbers Tuesday morning, but as of early Monday, NewsNation local affiliate WGN News counted 50 people shot, including eight killed, since 5 p.m. Friday.

According to WGN’s count, this year’s Labor Day weekend violence may have already surpassed last year’s, when a total of 31 people were shot.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/labor-day-weekend-chicago-violence/

 

Another news source gives the figures as 52 shot, seven killed.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-shootings-labor-day-weekend-least-32-shot-3-fatally-gun-violence-city-police-department-says/17701051/

If you were a resident of Chicago, would you be optimistic?  An official release from the Mayor's Office:

August 25, 2025

FACT SHEET: City of Chicago Continues to Record Historic Declines in Violent Crime Under Mayor Brandon Johnson

CHICAGO - Mayor Johnson’s primary focus over his first two years in office has been driving down violent crime in Chicago. Since taking office, Chicago has recorded historic reductions in crime and violence as the Johnson administration has implemented a holistic approach to community safety. In the first six months of this year, Chicago has seen a 33% reduction in homicides and a 38% reduction in shootings.  

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/mayor/press_room/press_releases/2025/august/Fact-Sheet-2025-Crime-Decline.html

 

And Johnson has blocked Trump's plan for federal law enforcement and/or national guard in Chicago:

Chicago mayor defies Trump’s immigration crackdown plan for the city

The mayor of Chicago pushed back Saturday against what he called the “out-of-control” Trump administration’s plan to surge federal officers into the nation’s third-largest city, which could take place within days.

The Chicago Police Department will be barred from helping federal authorities with civil immigration enforcement or any related patrols, traffic stops and checkpoints during the surge, according to an executive order signed by Mayor Brandon Johnson.

The mayor directed all city departments to guard the constitutional rights of Chicago residents “amidst the possibility of imminent militarized immigration or National Guard deployment by the federal government.”

https://apnews.com/article/chicago-federal-officers-immigration-order-506110328aa3b70bdf3a5f033d180268

21 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

So when's Trump going to start sending the National Guard to Louisiana, Alabama, Wyoming, etc etc.?  Of course, he won't... It's only going to be to Democrat-dominated cities and states, because his real game is about politics, not public safety.

 

No its because those stats are meaningless and not properly interpreted.

 

Look at Louisiana. Black on black murder in majority black areas.

 

The problem is that the racist Democrats dont care about black Americans. Its almost like the relationship between Hamas and Gazans.

Seems to be an outbreak of bone spurs among national guardsmen, but no worries, RFK Jr is looking into it.

 

7 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Unless you are accusing gun manufacturers and dealers of making illegal sales, all guns come into private hands subsequent to a legal sale.

Then illegal sales in all probability move the guns from owner to owner.

Restricting legal sales could decrease the volume of illegal sales.

I really dont think that's how criminals get guns.

I think most are stolen and then others are smuggled into the USA. 

 

21 hours ago, riclag said:

The day is still young in Chicago much more Labor day holiday to go & Dem culture initiatives to grow history over.

2023 stats,"Chicago shootings: 42 shot, 7 fatally, in Labor Day Weekend gun violence, CPD says" 

https://abc7chicago.com/post/shootings-in-chicago-last-night-this-weekend-gun-violence/13737986/#:~:text=Chicago shootings: 42 shot%2C 7,in his thigh%2C police said.

Historic numbers ,Surpassing other years Labor Day Weekend shootings, totals in Tuesday's report coming. For now,

"At least 52 people have been shot, seven fatally, in shootings across Chicago so far this Labor Day weekend, police said.

The weekend gun violence comes as the Trump administration prepares to potentially deploy the National Guard to the Chicago area".

 

Details of the victims & crimes in the link!

https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-shootings-labor-day-weekend-least-32-shot-3-fatally-gun-violence-city-police-department-says/17701051/

 

 

 

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

The misnomer "active shooter" refers to persons perpetrating a mass shooting.

So this stat only applies to those events.

 

"Mass shootings account for a very small fraction of total U.S. gun deaths, representing less than 1% to 2% of all gun deaths.The vast majority of gun deaths are suicides (over 50%) and homicides (around 40%)" Google AI Overview

 

The vast majority of US gun deaths are suicides. So gun ownership is directly related to these deaths.

 

The varying bases of statistics make gun death stats hard to interpret but family members are often victims. So in this case gun ownership is directly related to death of a family member.

 

"The percentage of gun deaths involving family members varies by type of incident; for example, about 12-16% of homicides are committed by family members, while nearly 59% of children killed in mass shootings die at the hands of a family member." Google AI overview.

 

So the interventions in mass shootings contribute only to reducing that 1% of gun deaths while a gun in the home facilitates suicide and murder of a family member or intimate partner.

 

 

 

 

so if they dont have a gun then no suicided??

I'm sorry to tell you but it dont work like that. 

 

My friend hung himself two years ago.. if you are planning on killing yourself gun or no gun it doesn't matter. 

8 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Murica mate, everyone (left, right and center) has their head up the derrieres when it comes to guns.

If you dislike guns, don't buy one.