3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Watch the Youtube video. He can be an expert and could have been aiming at the neck, especially if he knew Kirk was wearing a vest, which someone else would have told to him. Not a ricochet but a deflected bullet coming at extreme speed, which , if it hit the top of the vest, would then hit the neck. A long shot but totally possible as it's happened before many times, especially to hunters hitting twigs.

 

...........and the difference between ricochet and deflected?

 

Just to let you know the real experts on here will have none of your nonsense about the bullet not immediately striking his neck....

 

.......and just to put to bed for the hard of thinking (not you) I never suggested the bullet ricocheted off his bullet proof vest......I said there were reports of that being the case.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yep.

 

First the extreme left try to silence you. Because if you are allowed to speak you can disprove their silly little fantasies.

 

If they cannot silence you, they kill you.

 

Equally true if you replace "left" with "right"

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Which is just opinions. People who shoot a lot know what can go wrong. Some can miss at 100 yards and others can hit at a mile. Lot of factors go into a shot and what can go wrong.

 

The opinion I referred to is the opinon of Sergeant Nicholas Ranstad, one of America's greatest-ever snipers. Ranstad, whose 6,778ft kill in Afghanistan set a record for the longest by an American in Afghanistan at the time was very clear that this shooter was no expert and accidentally hit the neck after aiming for the head.

 

When faced  with a choice of believing the opinion Sergeant Ranstad or some internet bloke in Isaan callsed "Will B Good" I know who I'd believe.

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

...........and the difference between ricochet and deflected?

 

Just to let you know the real experts on here will have none of your nonsense about the bullet not immediately striking his neck....

 

.......and just to put to bed for the hard of thinking (not you) I never suggested the bullet ricocheted off his bullet proof vest......I said there were reports of that being the case.

 

He got lucky.

 

Trump's shooter missed to the left. Caught the ear.

 

This guy missed South. Caught the neck. 

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

...........and the difference between ricochet and deflected?

 

Just to let you know the real experts on here will have none of your nonsense about the bullet not immediately striking his neck....

 

.......and just to put to bed for the hard of thinking (not you) I never suggested the bullet ricocheted off his bullet proof vest......I said there were reports of that being the case.

I'm thinking you have never shot a gun. Okay, deflection is what happens after a ricochet so I could have used only one word. Watch the Youtube video, where the man says it hit the top of the vest and then the neck. I've hit many deer where a bullet, or an arrow, hit a twig first and missed the mark by a few inches. 

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, you can see a bag he's carrying, that's where the rifle is in. As he clambers down you can see that bag.  He had to conceal the rifle, so he placed it in a bag. He then walks off to a wodded area, where he discards the rifle and where it was then found.

Perhaps it was an inflatable rifle:

 

 

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Equally true if you replace "left" with "right"

 

Which left wing American politicians have been assassinated lately Ray?

 

Seems it's always the right wingers getting shot. 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps it was an inflatable rifle:

 

 

 

That's not the same bag clownfish.

 

The bag you can see as he climbs down off the building is elongated and long, shaped like a rifle.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps it was an inflatable rifle:

 

 

 

That's on the way up.

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He got lucky.

 

Trump's shooter missed to the left. Caught the ear.

 

This guy missed South. Caught the neck. 

 

That doesn't answer the question I posed.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

He IS carrying a rifle and the investigator DOES mention the rifle! Jesus Christ.

He is not carrying a rifle.

 

Investigators stated where they found the rifle.

 

Prove me wrong with an image of the Susie t carrying a rifle.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

The opinion I referred to is the opinon of Sergeant Nicholas Ranstad, one of America's greatest-ever snipers. Ranstad, whose 6,778ft kill in Afghanistan set a record for the longest by an American in Afghanistan at the time was very clear that this shooter was no expert and accidentally hit the neck after aiming for the head.

Watch that video again. I don't see a rifle and it looks like he's holding a shirt, and the narrator doesn't mention him having a rifle but that they found "a" rifle in the woods he went into, which I alluded to, that maybe the rifle that they found wasn't the one the shooter used, and was planted. Of course if they find an intact bullet ballistics will match it. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

That's on the way up.

Where’s your image of the suspect carrying a rifle?

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, expert snipers have analyzed this. They concluded he was aiming for the head and accidently hit  the neck. He was definitely not an "expert".

 

The only thing this kid is an expert is in which lube to use with his LGBT boyfriend.

 

That's what Occam's razor would indicate.  But I'd leave room for the possibility that someone calculated how many votes that Kirk swayed (and will sway in the future) and hired out the assassination. 

 

Partly to silence him, but also to scare anyone that may be thinking of following in his footsteps and taking up his banner.

 

I'm going to wait until they catch the guy.

 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps it was an inflatable rifle:

 

 

 

Maybe he just went up there for a game of snooker and it's all just a massive coincidence that the squirrel hunting ANTIFA granny from number 10 dumped her gun in the woods at the same time this guy took a shortcut home through the same woods.

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where’s your image of the suspect carrying a rifle?

 

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm thinking you have never shot a gun. Okay, deflection is what happens after a ricochet so I could have used only one word. Watch the Youtube video, where the man says it hit the top of the vest and then the neck. I've hit many deer where a bullet, or an arrow, hit a twig first and missed the mark by a few inches. 

 

So the ricochet is the physical act of changing the trajectory.......the deflection is the trajectory followed afterwards?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The opinion I referred to is the opinon of Sergeant Nicholas Ranstad, one of America's greatest-ever snipers. Ranstad, whose 6,778ft kill in Afghanistan set a record for the longest by an American in Afghanistan at the time was very clear that this shooter was no expert and accidentally hit the neck after aiming for the head.

 

When faced  with a choice of believing the opinion Sergeant Ranstad or some internet bloke in Isaan callsed "Will B Good" I know who I'd believe.

Like I said, even expert shots miss, especially if the rifle was a breakdown model, if the scope was bumped, and definitely if the shooter never shot at a human target before. He didn't have to make a head shot to kill, as we see, but what did he aim at is what no one here knows. Where did Ranstad say that?

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

So the ricochet is the physical act of changing the trajectory.......the deflection is the trajectory followed afterwards?

 

 

 

No the deflection is your pedantry. 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He is not carrying a rifle.

 

Investigators stated where they found the rifle.

 

Prove me wrong with an image of the Susie t carrying a rifle.

 

Yes, he is carrying a bag with a rifle.

 

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Watch that video again. I don't see a rifle and it looks like he's holding a shirt, and the narrator doesn't mention him having a rifle but that they found "a" rifle in the woods he went into, which I alluded to, that maybe the rifle that they found wasn't the one the shooter used, and was planted. Of course if they find an intact bullet ballistics will match it. 

 

Watch the video again, Second 00.18, you can see the rifle.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-12/manhunt-underway-for-charlie-kirk-trump-ally-shot-and-killed/105765746

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

No the deflection is your pedantry. 

 

 

Stop it your killing me.

 

Still waiting for your response as to where I said the bullet did ricocheted and that I said the guy was an expert.

 

 

But no rush

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Which left wing American politicians have been assassinated lately Ray?

 

Seems it's always the right wingers getting shot. 

Melissa Hortman:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/slain-lawmaker-1st-woman-lie-state-minnesota-capitol/story?id=123236904

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He didn't have to make a head shot to kill, as we see, but what did he aim at is what no one here knows. Where did Ranstad say that?

 

No, we do know he aimed at the head and accidentally hit the neck. Sergeant Ranstadt told us so.

 

Here:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086385/Sniper-Charlie-Kirks-assassin-revealed.html

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, he is carrying a bag with a rifle.

 

Or possibly just a bag, which again, can be to throw anyone off so the real shooter can get away, seeing if he's caught he'll only have a bag on him and it's not against the law to climb a building and run away. That could be the same bag that other picture, of him?, showed on the stairs, and that he still had with him. The real shooter could have been in another position close by, and while they waited for this man to run, and possibly get caught, could have sneaked away unseen. Just another theory until the truth comes out.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Watch the video again, Second 00.18, you can see the rifle.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-12/manhunt-underway-for-charlie-kirk-trump-ally-shot-and-killed/105765746

Don't see a rifle but a shirt or bag.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Don't see a rifle but a shirt or bag.

 

Yes, he's carrying an elongated bag. The rifle is inside.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, he's carrying an elongated bag. The rifle is inside.

Got your x-ray specs in now?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Or possibly just a bag, which again, can be to throw anyone off so the real shooter can get away, seeing if he's caught he'll only have a bag on him and it's not against the law to climb a building and run away. That could be the same bag that other picture, of him?, showed on the stairs, and that he still had with him. The real shooter could have been in another position close by, and while they waited for this man to run, and possibly get caught, could have sneaked away unseen. Just another theory until the truth comes out.

 

This bag is clearly an elongated, longer bag. You can see it as he throws it down before he climbs down. Second 18.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, we do know he aimed at the head and accidentally hit the neck. Sergeant Ranstadt told us so.

 

Here:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086385/Sniper-Charlie-Kirks-assassin-revealed.html

I don't believe anyone just because he shoots. Just another shooter with an opinion. He wasn't there and no one knows his thinking or if he was actually the shooter.