11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There is no antifa group.

It's a group of groups, so it is a group.

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps ‘anti fascist’ is the boy that Trump doesn’t like.

 

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It's a group of groups, so it is a group.

Who are these groups? Do you even know who they are because the WH press secretary does not.

The U.S. has no legal mechanism to formally declare a domestic group as a "major terrorist organization." Of course Trump can say he and his Administration regard antifa as a terrorist organization and order Federal law enforcement agencies to pursue the funding of such groups, but that is merely a declaration of policy.  His declaration doesn't make it a crime to be a member of an antifa cell.

31 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Who are these groups? Do you even know who they are because the WH press secretary does not.

Thats why they need to be investigated. Are you against investigating political organizations? 

 

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear." 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Thats why they need to be investigated. Are you against investigating political organizations? 

 

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear." 

 

The expression nothing to hide, nothing to fear is contrary to the US Constitution. As a reminder;

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

There is a presumption of innocence in the civilized world. Investigating without proper cause is no different than what the McCarthy mob did in the 1950's.  If there are violent groups, then by all means they should be investigated. People engaging in peaceful protest as is their legal right, should not be harassed by the state.

 

As other's have observed, violent groups such as Aryan nations and Proud Boys  and  private political militias should also be investigated since they have killed police and government officials.

16 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The U.S. has no legal mechanism to formally declare a domestic group as a "major terrorist organization." Of course Trump can say he and his Administration regard antifa as a terrorist organization and order Federal law enforcement agencies to pursue the funding of such groups, but that is merely a declaration of policy.  His declaration doesn't make it a crime to be a member of an antifa cell.

 

There are several options. 

 

1)  Since Antifa is a global phenomenon, Trump could declare one of the foreign ANTIFA organizations a terrorist grouping, and thus circumvent the issue altogether, as pursuing local ANITFA would then flow from the foreign organization being a terrorist group.

 

2) They could use the synthetic drugs approach, ie pass a law that a certain defined list of organizations are terrorist groups, and leave that as an open list where local ANTIFA groups can be added as they are discovered.

 

Many options to do it in law.

20 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The expression nothing to hide, nothing to fear is contrary to the US Constitution. As a reminder;

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

There is a presumption of innocence in the civilized world. Investigating without proper cause is no different than what the McCarthy mob did in the 1950's.  If there are violent groups, then by all means they should be investigated. People engaging in peaceful protest as is their legal right, should not be harassed by the state.

Of course there is a presumption of innocence, and no one's Forth Amendment rights should be infringed on. That is no reason to not investigate pollical violence, do you not agree?  

20 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

As other's have observed, violent groups such as Aryan nations and Proud Boys  and  private political militias should also be investigated since they have killed police and government officials.

Have they not been investigated and many of them jailed? Absolutely continue investigating them as well. 

 

Remember Lois Lerner of the IRS using keywords to investigate and target right-wing political organizations? This was used to deny and/or delay approval of tax-exempt status leading up to the 2012 election. I think this investigation is going to be something like that, only this time it will be bipartisan.  

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, Trump is being very creative.

Creative. Reminds me of this one:

 

(Justice Amy Coney) Barrett, who has emerged as a key vote in several cases this year involving the Trump administration, pressed Sauer about why the government was entirely avoiding the merits of the birthright citizenship issue.

 

Her line of questioning drew an important concession from Sauer, who acknowledged the legal arguments defending the merits of Trump’s order were “novel” and “sensitive.”

 

“So this one isn’t clear cut on the merits?” Barrett asked. 

 

Barrett in particular, seemed concerned about that avenue to allow plaintiffs to temporarily halt a policy or law that violated the constitution. (my bold)

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/15/politics/supreme-court-birthright-citizenship-nationwide-injunctions-executive-order

20 hours ago, novacova said:

This has become a serious mental crisis of the left as they’re displaying their mental anguish and abject frustrations publicly and lack any mental fortitude to contain themselves as it is quite clear here on this forum and other medias. 

Save us from the diagnosees of self proclaimed online mental health experts!

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Of course there is a presumption of innocence, and no one's Forth Amendment rights should be infringed on. That is no reason to not investigate pollical violence, do you not agree?  

Have they not been investigated and many of them jailed? Absolutely continue investigating them as well. 

 

Remember Lois Lerner of the IRS using keywords to investigate and target right-wing political organizations? This was used to deny and/or delay approval of tax-exempt status leading up to the 2012 election. I think this investigation is going to be something like that, only this time it will be bipartisan.  

 

We are probably more in agreement than disagreement on the general concept of investigating violent groups. Our disagreement is in the people who are targeted and the disregard for due process that distinguishes some of the demands. My concern is if legitimate protesters are targeted. Will the AFL-CIO or Steel workers union  be labeled antifa and subject to investigation What about some of the  Church social groups who advocate for the poor and immigrants?

 

 I believe it is reasonable to investigate foreign involvement in many of the protests. It is no secret that China, iran and Russia fund and encourage domestic turmoil as a means of destabilizing countries. Groups who occupied universities like Columbia were financed by unknown  entities, and many of the participants were not actually university students.  Australia recently disclosed that there was Iranian involvement in the attacks on jewish people and their houses of worship. The muslim brotherhood is active in Canada's political affairs. China set up its own police stations in canada and Australia. Iran had sent operatives into the EU, UK and Canada to spy on  the Iranian diaspora and to harass and threaten  dissidents. China, iran and Russia are linked to social media accounts which have disseminated disinformation and have encouraged civil disturbances. It is reasonable to expect that they are doing similar in the USA and supporting domestic disturbances. I believe that is where the focus should be.  And one should not ignore North Korea, the state sponsor of cyber attacks. Much of the world's cyber ransom attacks are linked to North Korea. The North Koreans use the ransoms to fund their evil state.

 

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

We are probably more in agreement than disagreement on the general concept of investigating violent groups. Our disagreement is in the people who are targeted and the disregard for due process that distinguishes some of the demands. My concern is if legitimate protesters are targeted. Will the AFL-CIO or Steel workers union  be labeled antifa and subject to investigation What about some of the  Church social groups who advocate for the poor and immigrants?

 

 I believe it is reasonable to investigate foreign involvement in many of the protests. It is no secret that China, iran and Russia fund and encourage domestic turmoil as a means of destabilizing countries. Groups who occupied universities like Columbia were financed by unknown  entities, and many of the participants were not actually university students.  Australia recently disclosed that there was Iranian involvement in the attacks on jewish people and their houses of worship. The muslim brotherhood is active in Canada's political affairs. China set up its own police stations in canada and Australia. Iran had sent operatives into the EU, UK and Canada to spy on  the Iranian diaspora and to harass and threaten  dissidents. China, iran and Russia are linked to social media accounts which have disseminated disinformation and have encouraged civil disturbances. It is reasonable to expect that they are doing similar in the USA and supporting domestic disturbances. I believe that is where the focus should be.  And one should not ignore North Korea, the state sponsor of cyber attacks. Much of the world's cyber ransom attacks are linked to North Korea. The North Koreans use the ransoms to fund their evil state.

 

 

Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems like you were okay, and in fact applauded it under the previous administration, and against it under the current administration.

 

I think that if the DNC, GOP, AFL-CIO, USW, NEA, AFT, UAW, Planned Parenthood, Catholic Church or any organization or individual is funneling money to any group is funneling money to any group involved in ginning-up riots and or committing violence, they should be investigated. 

 

Do you think rank and file union members want their dues going to such nonsense? 

 

I think any church or social groups that advocate for the poor and immigrants that are involved in facilitating illegal entry, or that help criminals and or illegal aliens avoid apprehension should be investigated. 

 

I think any church or social groups that advocate for the poor and immigrants that are NOT involved in facilitating illegal entry, or that help criminals and or illegal aliens avoid apprehension should NOT be investigated. 

 

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, shdmn said:

ANTIFA literally means anti-fascist.  So against Nazi's basically, which the convicted felon con man is trying to say is terrorism.  It's not even an organization.  There is no headquarters, there are no leaders.  They can literally call anyone and anything they don't like ANTIFA.

I suspect there is a headquarters, hidden somewhere.

And the leaders Bill Gates and Soros for two.

Whatever happened to Trump’s "very fine people on both sides".

And if Antifa is designated, why not Proud Boys and Oath Keepers?

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

14 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It's a group of groups, so it is a group.

Who are these groups?

From an earlier post...

 

"Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntifə/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It consists of a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups that use nonviolent direct action, or violence to achieve their aims".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110938/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20200728-SD037.pdf"

59 minutes ago, Zaphod Priest said:

Whatever happened to Trump’s "very fine people on both sides".

Another lie from the left regurgitated endlessly. 

59 minutes ago, Zaphod Priest said:

And if Antifa is designated, why not Proud Boys and Oath Keepers?

It's a bit late. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers have both been investigated, many have been incarcerated, and they continue to be surveyed and investigated, as well they should. 

 

Do you not think groups or individuals that promote and or commit acts of violence should be investigated? 

There is no Antifa. It’s just a stupid word that some stupid people on the left made up.  Now Trump can easily label anyone he doesn’t like as “Antifa” and go after them. Fascism is something everyone, especially those who claim to love “freedom” and the “American Way”, should oppose. Unfortunately even when it is right in their face, a lot of people can’t even recognize it until it’s too late.

5 minutes ago, charmonman said:

There is no Antifa. It’s just a stupid word that some stupid people on the left made up.  Now Trump can easily label anyone he doesn’t like as “Antifa” and go after them. Fascism is something everyone, especially those who claim to love “freedom” and the “American Way”, should oppose. Unfortunately even when it is right in their face, a lot of people can’t even recognize it until it’s too late.

If there is not Antifa, then they have nothing to worry about. 

 

Do you not think groups or individuals that promote and or commit acts of violence should be investigated?

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I suspect there is a headquarters, hidden somewhere.

And the leaders Bill Gates and Soros for two.

Aaaaah! Soros! 🤣

ANTIFA may be decentralised, but they are still a network.

 

They communicate and organize meetings and events.

 

State and federal officials announced on Monday that 10 people were arrested for engaging in a "planned ambush" on an ICE detention facility in Texas over the Fourth of July holiday.

 

At approximately 10:37 p.m., 10 to 12 individuals dressed in black, military-style clothing began shooting fireworks and engaging in acts of vandalism at the facility, Larson said during a press conference.

 

Note the "Resist Fascism" flag in the photo at the end of the article.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice-detention-facility/story?id=123555164

 

These groups can be infiltrated. This group in Texas is charged with attempted murder.

The irony here is so thick you could choke on it. Antifa claim to be against oppression, but they too are oppressors as their intolerance for anything that deviates from their mantra is viciously assaulted.

Antifa are just authoritarian far-left socialists and reminds me of what happened in the Bolshevic revolution, the communists got rid of the landlords and people that owned anything plus the inteligencia, only to replace them with themselves and dealing out the same corrupt nonsense. As the Who put it "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

10 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

The irony here is so thick you could choke on it. Antifa claim to be against oppression, but they too are oppressors as their intolerance for anything that deviates from their mantra is viciously assaulted.

Antifa are just authoritarian far-left socialists and reminds me of what happened in the Bolshevic revolution, the communists got rid of the landlords and people that owned anything plus the inteligencia, only to replace them with themselves and dealing out the same corrupt nonsense. As the Who put it "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

 

Yes, the hypocrisy of the far left is plain to see now, like with Tylor Robinson, this killer claiming Charlie Kirk was  too full of hared, yet Kirk never took up a rifle and went to shoot someone dead because they did not agree with them. Robinson did, but he was blind to his own hatred.

4 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

The irony here is so thick you could choke on it. Antifa claim to be against oppression, but they too are oppressors as their intolerance for anything that deviates from their mantra is viciously assaulted.

Antifa are just authoritarian far-left socialists and reminds me of what happened in the Bolshevic revolution, the communists got rid of the landlords and people that owned anything plus the inteligencia, only to replace them with themselves and dealing out the same corrupt nonsense. As the Who put it "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

I'll help you break it down!

Antifa  roots back to 1920s 30s Europe, particularly Germany, where radical anti fascists like Antifaschistische Aktion opposed Nazi and fascist regimes,which was a admired push back. After the Soviet Union's 1991 break up, resurgent neo Nazism in reunified Germany revived antifa groups, which spread across Europe through punk and anarchist networks. By the 2000s, antifa's ideology and black bloc tactics reached the U.S., given popularity during 2017 protests like Berkeley’s Milo Yiannopoulos riots and escalating through 2020’s, Summer of Love Riots.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(Germany)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism

 Antifa Characteristics,They chaotically clash with LE, capitalist institutions, and free speech advocates, viewing them as pushing  systemic oppression or fascist system rule. The groups are anti America radical extremists ,investigate them & the financial sourcing

More proof showing the radical groups Resistance tactics."Andy Ngo recalls brutal Antifa attack during Portland riots in 2019"

 

7 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

But violence against your opponents is fascism lol

Murdering your political opponent in cold blood over  free speech is significantly fascism, its a core trait.of the groups intention of  suppressing dissent through violence and rejecting democratic norms. 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, the hypocrisy of the far left is plain to see now, like with Tylor Robinson, this killer claiming Charlie Kirk was  too full of hared, yet Kirk never took up a rifle and went to shoot someone dead because they did not agree with them. Robinson did, but he was blind to his own hatred.

How many killings by antifa in the US?

12 hours ago, shdmn said:

Statue commemorating ANTIFA terrorists, just outside Arlington National Cemetery in VA.

 

Three of the six Marines who took part in the flag raising on Iwo Jima  were later killed in action.  To state these Marines were "ANTIFA terrorists" is the height of disrespect.   

 

9 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

I'll go further. The largest gathering of ANTIFA forces in history was in June 1944 on the Normandy coastline. You do know what the acronym ANTIFA stands for, right?

 

Don't be ridiculous.  "Anti-fascist" and ANTIFA  don't mean the same thing, not even close.  The armed forces of the Allies were indeed engaged in a battle against fascism on D Day, but that is light years away from the activities of ANTIFA adherents today.   Those who have taken part in ANTIFA protests in the U.S. in recent years are more anti-capitalist than anti-fascist. 

 

They are largely anarchists, but communists and socialists of various stripes also take part.  They are drawn together not so much by ideology but a willingness to engage in unlawful violent actions, such as attacking police or smashing store windows. As other posters have said, ANTIFA today is a movement, not a group with a hierarchal command structure.

On July 4, deranged rioters viciously assaulted federal agents at an ICE facility in Portland, Oregon. Officers were kicked, punched, and targeted with an “incendiary device.”

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/07/democrats-inspire-vicious-escalating-attacks-on-ice/#:~:text=On July 4%2C deranged rioters,Patrol facility in McAllen%2C Texas.

On 9/17/2025 at 9:04 PM, Harrisfan said:

eptember 17, 2025, President Donald Trump

 

complain about trump threads, but it's ok when you start one? 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

On July 4, deranged rioters viciously assaulted federal agents at an ICE facility in Portland, Oregon. Officers were kicked, punched, and targeted with an “incendiary device.”

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/07/democrats-inspire-vicious-escalating-attacks-on-ice/#:~:text=On July 4%2C deranged rioters,Patrol facility in McAllen%2C Texas.

  More ,Antifa tactics. anti ice enforcement violence,

anarchist violent  activism.