Get them Troops in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas as well DT.... 

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I guess if the sanctuary states were putting the billions they're spending to support illegals on their police forces, the govenors and mayors acted on crime and there wasn't a soft on crime revolving door in the courts there would be no need to contemplate invoking the insurrection act.

 

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hogwash.

 

 

If I may with your permission mr chomper….to quote the late stormin Norman I’d say that thar bit is an example of bovine scatoligy……oh and dinsdale growing up on our southern border the Latinos I’ve had the good fortune to know have been hard working family oriented religious folks for the most part with a few exceptions as with any group of people.furthermore they produce much much more than they take.

From Citizen Kane (1941):

 

Kane: Read the cable.

 

Mr. Bernstein: "Girls delightful in Cuba. Stop. Could send you prose poems about scenery, but don't feel right spending your money. Stop. There is no war in Cuba, signed Wheeler." Any answer?

 

Kane: Yes. "Dear Wheeler: you provide the prose poems. I'll provide the war."

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Insurrection: A violent uprising against an authority or government.

 

Attacking federal employees and or interfering with the execution of their duties clearly meets that definition. 

 

The Supremacy Clause in the Constitution established that federal law, in this case immigration law, supersedes any and all conflicting state laws. 

 

Why does the left not care about the Constitution? 

Could apply to Jan 6 I guess.....

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Had Biden closed the border, built the wall, deported illegal aliens, barred men girls' showers, tried to cut spending, played hardball with drug cartels, negotiated the release of the Israeli hostages, and any number of other things I would have applauded him. 

 

I don't like a lot of his trolling rhetoric, but aside from that, I'm pretty pleased. 

 

What is Trump doing that you think I do not approve of? 

 

 

 

I think he’s heading for dictatorship, testing what he can do with the forces.

 

If he stops the mid terms next year would that offend you?

 

If Biden had stopped the last election would that have offended you?

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think he’s heading for dictatorship, testing what he can do with the forces.

 

If he stops the mid terms next year would that offend you?

 

If Biden had stopped the last election would that have offended you?

Agree, he did not get the vibes he was looking for from the Top Military Generals for sure......testing many boundaries  

7 hours ago, DrunkenIrishPoet said:

Trump won't be able to successfully invoke the Insurrection Act based on the facts. People like Miller and his other neanderthal advisors are completely clueless. It was last invoked by president Bush I during the LA riots. 

 

The vast majority of Americans despise Trump and these numbers are growing. 

 

 

If he invokes The Insurrection Act and the courts block him he will ignore them, and claim that it is further evidence of insurrection!

 

He absolutely must  construct and maintain the distraction, even if it means the country breaks apart; especially as his foul little secret oozes ever closer to daylight!

Well, Trump has to stop the mid-terms, some how.

 

He also has to plan for his re-election in 3 years.

 

American Civil War II will be good for big business.

29 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Well, Trump has to stop the mid-terms, some how.

 

He also has to plan for his re-election in 3 years.

 

American Civil War II will be good for big business.

 

He taunts with suggesting running for re-election, in reality, there won't be an election, there will be a state of emergency.

58 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Agree, he did not get the vibes he was looking for from the Top Military Generals for sure......testing many boundaries  

I could almost hear the growl…….im sure those guys and gals have had some private conversations if ya catch my drift……not violence more along the lines of resistance and or stopping his slow motion coup.

US society is doomed. Today's "insurrectionists!"  OMG!

3 hours ago, JAG said:

If he invokes The Insurrection Act and the courts block him he will ignore them, and claim that it is further evidence of insurrection!

 

He absolutely must  construct and maintain the distraction, even if it means the country breaks apart; especially as his foul little secret oozes ever closer to daylight!

Oh yes, the Epstein files that incriminate Trump, but that the Biden DOJ sat on for four years, and chose instead to go after him for classifying payments to his attorney as legal expenses.

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

Oh yes, the Epstein files that incriminate Trump, but that the Biden DOJ sat on for four years, and chose instead to go after him for classifying payments to his attorney as legal expenses.

Yes, those files, the ones which the FBI had to deploy 1000 agents on redacting Trumps name from, and still can't release!

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not the definition under US law.

What is the definition of insurrection under US law? 

8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think he’s heading for dictatorship, testing what he can do with the forces.

I do not think that. 

8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

If he stops the mid terms next year would that offend you?

Absolutely.

8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

If Biden had stopped the last election would that have offended you?

Absolutely.

 

This was our exchange:

 

Now you have not been able to provide anything Trump is doing that you think I do not approve of. You think this or that, but I think you and anyone that believes Trump is going to be a dictator and or end elections is delusional. 

 

On 10/13/2025 at 9:54 AM, CallumWK said:

 

I think you miss the point.

Trump doesn't give a flying feg about what is legal or illegal.

He knew very well that the executive order he used for his tariffs didn't have any legal grounds, but he also knows that it takes ages for the juridical system to throw them out.

Same with this order, and all the others he has issued, he just invokes them.

Federal courts will block the orders, but allow them to remain for the time being.

It will take at least a year before the supreme court, which has been weaponized by him, will even rule on it.

Just give it some more months, until the first supreme court rulings roll out, as I believe they will rule against him on most of his flagrant abuses of the US Constitution, and his day of reckoning will arrive.

I don't disagree with much of what you said. However, the US Supreme Court isn't entirely in Trump's pocket, I think they would quickly rule against him, even the conservatives (Supreme Cts. are historically very unpredictable). But even aside from that, the military would resist. They aren't trained for law enforcement and most of them despise Trump and think he's a clown and that Hegseth is just a frat boy. In general, they aren't going to allow themselves to be Trump's tool of oppression. 

 

However, I am deeply concerned about this and I think Trump will try to establish a police state or a dictatorship by declaring some type of emergency or manufacturing one, especially if he feels he will lose the midterms or if he can't cheat his way to victory. But as a friend told me, "there's a few million of us vets, and we're armed and trained and won't put up with that." The country will explode. 

 

Most of his supporters are either idiots or just deranged, but even for a lot of them, it would be a bridge too far, I think. 

 

And just in case anyone asks, I am not a Dem and have never voted for them. I just happened to think Trump is a scoundrel and a crook. The country will survive him (somehow). If he loses either house or especially both houses, he's in trouble as the House will gain investigatory power. Big cracks are appearing internally in MAGA. 

 

I think we've seen peak Trump. 

President Trump reacts to Judge Karin Immergut OCT 4 ruling:

 

I wasn’t served well by the people that pick judges. I can tell you things like that are just too bad. I appointed the judge and he goes like that, so I wasn’t served well, obviously I don’t know the judge,” Trump said.

“But if he made that kind of a decision, Portland is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All you have to do is look at the television, turn on your television, read your newspapers. It’s burning to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the politicians are petrified for their lives like that. That judge ought to be ashamed of himself.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/06/trump-judges-ruling-against-him-00595511

 

AS you note Trump's comment "You have agitators, insurrectionists" you can infer the old Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's saw:

 

I can't define insurrection, but I know it when I see.
 

A movie National Guardsman patrolling a crime ridden city.

 

 

 

Of course, a work of fiction. Maybe inspired when British soldiers were asked to play at being cops, supporting the police in Northern Ireland, leading to the longest continuous deployment in British Army history, and things like Bloody Sunday. I had a good friend in the RUC (he was on the scene in Warrenpoint in 79 picking bits of Paras out of the trees, something he said haunted him until taking early retirement after being shot on the job) recounted a patrol going back to the station in their police Land Rover. At that point, soldiers used to ride with the police in their vehicles, but weren't under police command. A motorist failed to indicate at a junction, so on came the blue lights. The driver seemingly took no notice, and drove normally. The police were going to let it go, it was near the end of shift, until they heard someone cocking their weapon and muttering they knew how to get their attention...... A numbskull squaddie, who was told in no uncertain terms, to stop.

 

 

I'm not sure Operation Banner caused the Troubles, but I don't think it helped. People in Northern Ireland, whatever their tradition, are entitled to the same rights and responsibiloties as any citizen. I was an Englishman over there, towards the end of the troubles. You quickly get used to the soldiers taking a bead on you with their SA80s, the random checkpoints, being searched everytime I took a ferry to Scotland. 

 

This being America, with troops on the street facing people with lots of guns. It just takes one Jody the Weekend Warrior, or a citizen off his meds exercising his Second Amendment Rights,  having a loose trigger finger. In the UK, widespread disorder, when it happens, is dealt with, adequately, by specialist officers deployed from other constabularies. During the Marching Season, you see cops, in fireproof outfits, sitting around all day, in the backs of their wagons, waiting for trouble. They are generally not PSNI, but probably from Yorkshire, Manchester, Strathclyde, London etc. This doesn't happen in the US, as the police from one State don't have jurisdiction powers in another State (ie. power of arrest). Seems to me a simple change in laws, maybe even deputise police officers, can provide surge support during periods of unrest. This would be far less contentious. And the police are properly trained.

 

Trump, America's Josef Stalin.

1 minute ago, JimHuaHin said:

Trump, America's Josef Stalin.

Another high gender studies major weighing in I see.