1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She sells sex in exchange for money. That is the entirety of the arrangement - just that / exactly that.

She's doing nothing of the sort, more delusional nonsense devoid of facts.

 

OK... she's not selling sex for money.....    but you are giving her money to clean your house, the sex is bonus, got it !!!... 

 

And all the other guys offering her 10,000's baht are not expecting to pay her for sex - thats for cleaning too... 

 

And all her ex's who paid her, that was for cleaning the sex is 'incidental' as you put it.

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She is not of the “standard” Cameroni imaginings. If she were more attractive than a 3, say a tru 7 or 8 or more, she would already be gone

 

I saw her Line, Whatsapp and Messenger, she has tons of options, endless guys offering her 10000 to come. She's not a freelancer though, she never accedes to the offers. I saw the convos.

 

You saw what she 'allowed you to see'....     She doesn't accept 10,000 baht offer's...   She'll accept a 20,000 baht offer - but she's not worth that apparently - she's not even worth that to you !

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Let her go. You don't want to, because you'll be ALONE for Christmas. So you are hanging on to her for dear life.

 

I think she'll still be here for Christmas. She said she wants to go to see her parents AFTER new year.

16 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

She is a sex worker.

 

She is 100% a sex worker - there is no other description for what she does...

 

Though Cameroi will tell you the 'money is for support'....  and the sex he gets in return is because she likes him !!!  

 

 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

OK... she's not selling sex for money.....    but you are giving her money to clean your house, the sex is bonus, got it !!!..

 

 I gave her 1500 baht when you do the net-off!

 

I never asked her to clean the house, she does that out of herself. She's not a "sex worker" of any kind. That's delusional nonsense. I saw her convos. She does not accept any freelance offers.

 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

but she's not worth that apparently - she's not even worth that to you !

 

She would be worth that to me, however, I don't pay for women. So I am not enthused about paying 20000. And certainly I would not pay for a girl that unilaterally decides she's leaving.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

 I gave her 1500 baht when you do the net-off!

 

I never asked her to clean the house, she does that out of herself.

 

 

She would be worth that to me, however, I don't pay for women. So I am not enthused about paying 20000. And certainly I would not pay for a girl that unilaterally decides she's leaving.

 

Why is she leaving you - I thought she loved you????

 

She's leaving you because she beleives she's worth 20,000 baht and thinks she can get that from elsewhere... 

 

She's not a hooker though.... 

If you are telling the truth and she's calling him, it's nothing to do with any accident. It's to see if he will take her back at 10k per month.

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why is she leaving you - I thought she loved you????

 

I thinks she's very worried about her parents, as they live near the warzone in Si Sa Ket. She's afraid she'll be seen as a "bad daughter" for living with a farang and doing nothing. Hence she wants to go there to "help".

 

But I think she also misses the family vibe, as we live here without any of her friends or family. Sex does get old after a while, after all. No matter how good.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Maybe that's why she's sulking so much now.

 

Ice walls came up.

I had once an Issue, and I ended up leaving Koh Tao, bought a ticket for her to Bangkok, and a ticket for myself to Phuket. And paid her off with 1000 baht a day we spent together. Any girl I used to travel with I paid off with 1000 baht in my younger days, but then the deal was we where together as long we stayed together. I never cared for who they talked to or who they had in their contacts, but our deal was clear even I never talked about money, and the idea was traveling as friends. Of course you start to get feelings, but you have to remember where you are, and why she could just on short notice pack up and just go. Their is 20 years ago or so. 

 

She cant go back to her factory job now, she’s out, and have to start from scratch again. 

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

If you are telling the truth and she's calling him, it's nothing to do with any accident. It's to see if he will take her back at 10k per month.

 

If she wants to do that, she's free to do that. That's why I told her it was fine to call the Austrian ex. But he's not taking her calls.

There is more work in Phuket. 10k from the Austrian and then some sideline jobs to supplement. But if Cammy paid 20k, that may have sufficed for now. Now it seems she has lost the Austrian and is in an even more 'difficult' situation. Two desperate characters.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I had once an Issue, and I ended up leaving Koh Tao, bought a ticket for her to Bangkok, and I ticket for myself to Phuket. And paid her off with 1000 baht a day we spent together. Any girl I used to travel with I paid off with 1000 baht in my younger days, but then the deal was we where together as long we stayed together. I never cared for who they talked to or who they had in their contacts, but our deal was clear even I never talked about money, and the idea was traveling as friends. Of course you start to get feelings, but you have to remember where you are, and why she could just on short notice pack up and just go. Their is 20 years ago or so. 

 

She cant go back to her factory job now, she’s out, and have to start from scratch again. 

 

I think the problem is the girl is 24 years old. At that age, given that most girls today are prostitutes really, they want to explore the market as much as possible, until they hit 30 and decide they will settle down with anyone.

 

Maybe I should target 29 year olds.

Just now, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

There is more work in Phuket.

 

That's what she said as well. So easy to get work in Phuket. Staying with me is even easier of course. But she loves the beach in Phuket, she keeps insisting, and she may make a lot more money there. So if she wants to go, if she's not here for me, than she's free to go of course. At her own expense.

Today is an absolute disaster. Ever since she said she'll leave for sure and I said then you can pay your own flights when you leave, and forget about any payments, she's become the ice queen. Just sitting on her Ipad watching Tiktok non-stop.

 

She must be bored to death. If this continues she may leave early.

 

But I'm not even interested in pandering to her and taking her out, since she mentioned she wants to leave for sure, so I'm not even trying to raise her interest.

I hope that she stays there  until you pay her to leave.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I hope that she stays there  until you pay her to leave.

 

I'm not paying her to leave. If she decides unilaterally to leave she's not my girlfriend obviously and then she's on her own. She has savings of 40000 baht, she'can pay her own ticket.

 

I did nothing wrong. I asked her whom she loves more me or her ex, and she said "I did not say I love you to you or my ex". Then I asked why she's still here. She said "Oh I'll leave for sure". So I said fair enough, obviously you're not my girlfriend then and you can pay your own ticket. That's when her face dropped.

 

I'm being honest and up front. I did nothing wrong at all.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I think the problem is the girl is 24 years old. At that age, given that most girls today are prostitutes really, they want to explore the market as much as possible, until they hit 30 and decide they will settle down with anyone.

 

Maybe I should target 29 year olds.

 

Nah... you're exactly where you need to be - just accept that the girls 'YOU' are exposed to a Prostitutes and are not part of 'normal Thai' society...   Its like a caste system and you are placing yourself firmly in the middle of that without realising it, thats all.....

 

 

 

 

Nice. Your negotiation tactic is forcing her to choose between a rock and a hard place. All for you to attempt to maintain the illusion that she isn't a sex worker

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I think the problem is the girl is 24 years old. At that age, given that most girls today are prostitutes really, they want to explore the market as much as possible, until they hit 30 and decide they will settle down with anyone.

 

Maybe I should target 29 year olds.

Why you call them prostitutes ? I see everyone else here do, but they just want to go out and try the marked same as men do, but for women to be with men on their premises, takes some support, especially when dating older foreigners. Is really not a brainer is it? 

 

We want to have fun, and they want to have fun, but still someone has to pay the bills

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Today is an absolute disaster. Ever since she said she'll leave for sure and I said then you can pay your own flights when you leave, and forget about any payments, she's become the ice queen. Just sitting on her Ipad watching Tiktok non-stop.

 

On ever dating app she can - scouring the pages, building the 'reationships' until a 'mark' bites just like you did before... 

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She must be bored to death. If this continues she may leave early.

 

Not bored, desperate - she'll leave when she has 'somewhere to go to' - for now, she's with you because she's out of options - she'll sleep with you now, just for food and a bed.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

But I'm not even interested in pandering to her and taking her out, since she mentioned she wants to leave for sure, so I'm not even trying to raise her interest.

 

Be careful of your belongings - theft will be the next stage as she justifies in her mind that you 'owe' her for services rendered. 

 

You did everything wrong. You understood that she was a Sugar Baby looking for an income. Your pretending, fools no one. It's just pathetic.

Just now, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You did everything wrong. You understood that she was a Sugar Baby looking for an income. Your pretending, fools no one. It's just pathetic.

 

You pretending you're a "gentleman" is pathetic. How can you possibly be a "gentleman" when there are no more "Ladies". Ponder that at your leisure.

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm not paying her to leave. If she decides unilaterally to leave she's not my girlfriend obviously and then she's on her own. She has savings of 40000 baht, she'can pay her own ticket.

 

I did nothing wrong. I asked her whom she loves more me or her ex, and she said "I did not say I love you to you or my ex". Then I asked why she's still here. She said "Oh I'll leave for sure". So I said fair enough, obviously you're not my girlfriend then and you can pay your own ticket. That's when her face dropped.

 

I'm being honest and up front. I did nothing wrong at all.

 

You know better 😉 

 

we need proof, so take a pick of her holding a paper with Saturday and the date on. We will believe you 

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Nah... you're exactly where you need to be - just accept that the girls 'YOU' are exposed to a Prostitutes and are not part of 'normal Thai' society...   Its like a caste system and you are placing yourself firmly in the middle of that without realising it, thats all.....

 

 

 

 

 

Delusional nonsense. In the wider sense ALL girls dating today are prostitutes, there are NO women who put sexual opportunity at the other end of marriage anymore. 

 

Obviously prostitution is a spectrum though, so we have normal material exploitation and the brothel worker, and everything in between. 

 

Girls seeking material benefits from men IS the "normal Thai society". Indeed every society in the world.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

 

You know better 😉 

 

we need proof, so take a pick of her holding a paper with Saturday and the date on. We will believe you 

 

Proof of what?

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

On ever dating app she can - scouring the pages, building the 'reationships' until a 'mark' bites just like you did before... 

 

No, I saw her phone, Thaifriendly and Tinder were still deleted. No other dating apps either.

 

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Be careful of your belongings - theft will be the next stage as she justifies in her mind that you 'owe' her for services rendered. 

 

I wouldn't put it past her, that's for sure. She already hid my phone and tablet and denied doing it for 30 minutes.

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Why you call them prostitutes ? I see everyone else here do, but they just want to go out and try the marked same as men do, but for women to be with men on their premises, takes some support, especially when dating older foreigners. Is really not a brainer is it? 

 

We want to have fun, and they want to have fun, but still someone has to pay the bills

 

I'm not saying it's "wrong". Obviously being a true "Lady" and only offering sexual opportunity at the other side of marriage was a strict and rigid system for women. Which is why women abolished it and chose to become prostitutes instead, by which I mean they do NOT put sexual opportunity at the other end of marriage, but instead offer it in return for the best wine and dine. Or in Thailand now, trip and dine.

 

They are prostitutes really, if you look at this trend of women refusing to do coffee dates and insisting on wine and dine, does that sound like a lady or a prostitute asking for a raise? Le'ts call a spade a spade.

 

Of course I'm happy to pay and support women in need for fair value exchange. However, where I take issue is with Richard's categorisation of some women as "pay for play" whereas there are these pure good ladies, they do not exist of course. All women dating today offer sexual opportunity in exchange for material benefits, so in reality they are all prostitutes in the wider, soft sense.

 

However, if a girl like Phuket girl denies all freelance offers, from 10000 baht to 97500 baht, I don't want to call those girls "prostitutes" as they are just working on a normal paradigm of material benefits for sexual access . Very normal. To me a prostitute is something somewhat different.

History repeats itself. I recall you complaining that another one of your sugar babies had requisitioned 20k from you. Likely you refused to pay her too, claiming that she was your girlfriend or she gets nothing.

33 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Though Cameroi will tell you the 'money is for support'....  and the sex he gets in return is because she likes him !!! 

 

Exactly right. She does like me. A lot. At least judging by her grabbing me, kissing me, and asking for sex, helping me with housework etc, though of course time will tell.

 

Early days.

The delusion is strong in this one...

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

History repeats itself. I recall you complaining that another one of your sugar babies had requisitioned 20k from you. Likely you refused to pay her too, claiming that she was your girlfriend or she gets nothing.

 

You must be dreaming. No other girl asked for 20000.