14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Absolutely right. Her being here really affected my work. Fortunately 3 of my projects were on hold mostly due to the christmas and new year breaks. But I hardly got any work done. It was mostly focusing on her, taking her to exciting and new places, getting food for her, going shopping with her.

I'm not complaining of course, it was wonderful to have a woman around again, and as a man doing things to make her happy is one of the things that you like to do.

There are no signs this will break up at this point. We were good the last few days. I think the mainreason why Thai girls think about doing the bar girl thing is that they think it's great money for doing what they love, having sex. We talked about this, and I noticed that whilst she hadn't been a freelancer herself, the constant offers rolling in, and of course previous boyfriends showering her with money actually made a bargirl/freelancer life seem enticing for her.

She did say so herself, said that she'd wanted to try it at some point, basically because she thought the money would be amazing. It didn't help that I showed her an escort site where girls were making 8000 baht a night, arguing that being a bargirl is a terrible idea.

Still a difference between being a bg in any bar (even bars have differences) and being a freelancer who do not freelance from the street, but rather chooses her targets carefully mor like a sugar baby are sugar dating.

I believe to many here do not realize the differences of lifestyle, mentality and also toll on their health, both mental and physically.

So many girls who are living healthy life's being a freelancer compared to soi 6 bar girls. I have never been to soi 6, but the impression of those hard core bars must take some girls who have been broken down by time, and they just do not start working in such bars because they want to.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

I had my first pay for play date last night. My friend who dates an escort, who he gives many, many baht to every month, said he had someone I should meet.

We went to Black Cabin here in Bangkok which I def recco due to their great live music. You have to pay 1,000 baht to get in, redeemable for food and drink.

She was def a 9, and she invited me to play-spank her after knowing her for about 8 minutes. Super-up person, good English, asked me a lot of questions about myself and revealed a lot about herself, some of which may even be true. I asked for older, so she was 35.

Like Cameroni, I was suprised to find that there are women who do enjoy this kind of life and are open to a FWB if the chemistry is there on their side, like it is in his own deal. She would only get involved with me if she felt some attraction for me. She can afford to wait for a decent deal, here in the thirst capitol of the world.

I know a lot about Buddhism, particularly the local flavor, and she is fairly devout. She is attracted to me on a spiritual basis. I know, I am l laughing about that too.

I know of two other such arrangements. There can def be a grey area between sex worker and girlfriend here, with some slip-sliding between the two strata. My friend's escort partner has moved in with her daughter. They all go to a water park together, They are def a couple.

I worried about expectations-creep. My friend said to add another 50%. So a month with her would cost the same as a semi-luxury month on Koh Samui. I am respectful of the TOS here, so I will not give any numbers.

I fear that it would be like when I had deer in my garden. I carefully planted stuff that deer like to eat so that they would leave the broccoli alone. But the deer just ate everything in sight, and seemed to put the word out to other deer.

Anyway, I am going to a party tonight where my top two out of four current prospects will both be.

They both have asked about the other one. In both cases, I pretended I didn't remember the other one. I see a quick exit after about an hour before it gets complicated.

Who will get the rose in this very special Thai edition of The Golden Batchelor?

Og course of never experienced such treatment or attention before, it is flattering.

Good luck

2 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

You didn't want to go and you didn't go. That's a good thing. She did wanted to go and she did. That's good too. You can go another time.

Sexual chemistry is everything. It can't sustain a relaiationship by itself, but without it, just get a dog. The blissed out honeymoon phase is over and now functionality issues are surfacing.

You are facing intercultural issues, and age gap issues. You have be pragmatic and forgiving and hope for the best. She sounds fairly typical of someone of her age and background.

The simple process of time passing and maturation will move things more your way than any of your efforts ever will. You say she has good character, so if that proves to be true over time, you have a shot at success.

I would definitely toss overboard any expectations of her being a homemaker. Sex papers over a lot of disagreement.

I was conflicted. I didn't want to go on the one hand, as I didn't want to jeopardize my work with this US company, and the whole notion of family gatherings with people whose language I cannot speak, no aircon, poor hotels etc did not seem very attractive, but on the other hand, I also knew that it would have meant a lot to her if I'd taken the trip, we could have bonded on the trip, meeting the parents would have meant a lot, seeing the provinces could have been interesting. But you're right, I can still go another time.

You're spot on about sexual chemistry being important, I guess both Phuket girl and I are very tactile and it's a great match on that front, but indeed "functionality issues" are now coming up. These are of a cultural and age gap nature, as usual you see right through to the matter, exactly right.

I really like your comment that time passing and the maturing of the relationship will move things along more than any effort ever could. That rings very true, Though I am not there with her now, perhaps her missing me now is a good thing. We were in each other's face a lot these last 40 days. It could be a good thing. Maybe she'll miss me.

She does have a very good character. She's kind, giving, fair, and at least dutiful to some degree, as well as suffering from the usual faults of youth, selfishness, laziness, etc. I think there is a chance here.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

And you expect to date in Thailand without family gatherings?

Then you need to find someone whose parents are divorced or deceased.

No, no, I do realize that these family gatherings are inevitable. I've just never been a fan, but obviously at some point I'm aware I'll have to go through it. I did so with BKK girl, meeting the family a few times, and they were kind and uncomplicated, to be fair.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She does have a very good character. She's kind, giving, fair, and at least dutiful to some degree, as well as suffering from the usual faults of youth, selfishness, laziness, etc. I think there is a chance here.

A total package for you 😎

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

Like Cameroni, I was suprised to find that there are women who do enjoy this kind of life

I really was surprised at Phuket Girl's honesty, that she found the idea of being a bar girl enticing, because of the great money. I of course tried to dissuade her, but the real mystery really is why every woman is not a bargirl or freelancer. I mean if you told me I could make 100,000 baht a month by having sex and going on holidays to luxury resorts I would be on every escort site this side of Bangkok. i suppose the real reason is that not every woman can be an escort or bargirl, as they don't have the looks.

When I tried to argue against being a bargirl or escort with Phuket Girl, saying you'd have to go and have sex with obese and old unattractive men she said "No, I do not, I can choose which clients I go with", so it was extremely hard to argue against it.

Anyway, whilst the reality of whether CM girl is an escort or not is still an unsolved mystery, it's clear she's thoroughly enjoying life, though I'm sure there's a price to pay later in life for being a freelancer or escort. Not to mention STDs.

Nevertheless, if CM girl is an escort, it would make the case that these girls are a cut above in terms of pleasing a man, as CM girl had manners and graces you really do not find in the typical Thaifriendly girl off the street.

That doesn't mean I'd go for an escort or freelancer for a long term rel though. I much prefer if they're not professionals, like Phuket Girl, but clearly you can have a good time with them.

46 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Still a difference between being a bg in any bar (even bars have differences) and being a freelancer who do not freelance from the street, but rather chooses her targets carefully mor like a sugar baby are sugar dating.

I believe to many here do not realize the differences of lifestyle, mentality and also toll on their health, both mental and physically.

So many girls who are living healthy life's being a freelancer compared to soi 6 bar girls. I have never been to soi 6, but the impression of those hard core bars must take some girls who have been broken down by time, and they just do not start working in such bars because they want to.

I'm of the same view really, I think being a bar girl would take a terrible toll, which is why I tried hard to dissuade Phuket Girl from such a life.

It must be tempting, if you're good looking, young, and see 100,000 baht as a achieveable, a figure most boyfriends would baulk at. If it's purely for financial reasons it's hard to dissuade them. They have to understand the associated costs, lack of respect from society, STDs, risk of violence etc. I made all those points, but it's a tough sell.

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

A total package for you 😎

Well, her great body, long hair, wonderful skin, pleasing face, perfect hands that have the touch, outstanding kissing skills, intoxicating scent and slim waist really leave little to be desired on the package front.

I'm not saying she's perfect, she's a touch lazy, innocent about the world, overly focused on money, and stubborn and self centred at times, but then who's perfect really?

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm of the same view really, I think being a bar girl would take a terrible toll, which is why I tried hard to dissuade Phuket Girl from such a life.

It must be tempting, if you're good looking, young, and see 100,000 baht as a achieveable, a figure most boyfriends would baulk at. If it's purely for financial reasons it's hard to dissuade them. They have to understand the associated costs, lack of respect from society, STDs, risk of violence etc. I made all those points, but it's a tough sell.

Well, I can't imagine, I'm to picky when it comes to hang out with wrong people in the beginning, so no way I could fake it for money

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1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Og course of never experienced such treatment or attention before, it is flattering.

Good luck

I see it as thanks for that dozen tush swats and I'm out.

I paid her 1,000 baht cover charge. If we ever meet again, it will be chill.

Assuming she even remembers my existence on the planet.

2 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I see it as thanks for that dozen tush swats and I'm out.

I paid her 1,000 baht cover charge. If we ever meet again, it will be chill.

Assuming she even remembers my existence on the planet.

1000 baht? Cover charge? Is that the same as taxi money?

45 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Well, I can't imagine, I'm to picky when it comes to hang out with wrong people in the beginning, so no way I could fake it for money

That's what Im saying, there is a grey area where they do have to actually like you and some of these couples do evolve into relationships.

I can see a sponsorship deal if a woman has a legit medical need, or something like that. I could live with being supplementary income, not primary income.

But I do not want her to be my employee. Because then she will inevitably grow to hate her boss.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

1000 baht? Cover charge? Is that the same as taxi money?

No, as stated above, it was 1,000 baht per person minimum spend to get into The Black Cabin night club.

She was given a brief description of my good qualities, shown a picture, and took a chance.

Her primary income is not from men.

I have no idea why it's called Black Cabin. It was neither particularly black or cabin.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, her great body, long hair, wonderful skin, pleasing face, perfect hands that have the touch, outstanding kissing skills, intoxicating scent and slim waist really leave little to be desired on the package front.

Having a sexual or appearance preference is just as valid as having a religious or sports preference.

I would really like a partner who meditates. That would increase her attractiveness to me as much as the bolded text above. Failing that, any genuine spiritual inclination would also be great.

Everybody has their wish list. Cameroni is being laughed at for explicitly stating his.

On 12/26/2025 at 4:08 PM, richard_smith237 said:

Says the king of delusion himself - I know plenty of females making plenty of money for themselves, and are not reliant on men or their husbands..

Female strippers ..... All us men want is to see them naked.

We don't care if they are employed.

Male strippers ....... Always end up holding a symbol of their work.

No woman fantasies about unemployed men!

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Female strippers ..... All us men want is to see them naked.

We don't care if they are employed.

Male strippers ....... Always end up holding a symbol of their work.

No woman fantasies about unemployed men!

Please don't include everyone, or at least me in your 'all us men' generalisations.

As is common - your generalisations are flawed, myopic and dumbed down simplifications avoiding the wider nuance of the spectrum of attraction.

You may not care if a woman is employed, is intelligent etc - because you've made it clear over the years that you care only if they will sleep with you - financially independent women won't, because they don't need your money - they'll sleep with other men they are genuinely attracted to instead.

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

may not care if a woman is employed, is intelligent etc - because you've made it clear over the years that you care only if they will sleep with you - financially independent women won't, because they don't need your money - they'll sleep with other men they are genuinely attracted to instead.

I never care about sleeping with them!

2 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

Cameroni is being laughed at for explicitly stating his.

He 'was' being laughed at for a lot of things he expressed, specifically his naivety.

Past tense used because he's gone off radar - Perhaps PG has had enough and 'done him in'... or perhaps she read this thread and is now pursuing defamation against him after he posted photo's and described her sexual behavior.

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

may not care if a woman is employed, is intelligent etc - because you've made it clear over the years that you care only if they will sleep with you - financially independent women won't, because they don't need your money - they'll sleep with other men they are genuinely attracted to instead.

I never care about sleeping with them!

I'll rephrase - as 'care' when women are concerned is beyond your lexicon.

'sleeping with them is your only goal'... you are not interested in them as people or care about them [women in general].

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

He 'was' being laughed at for a lot of things he expressed, specifically his naivety.

Past tense used because he's gone off radar - Perhaps PG has had enough and 'done him in'... or perhaps she read this thread and is now pursuing defamation against him after he posted photo's and described her sexual behavior.

Def agree on the naive thing.

But we chat a bit. I have Cameroni access that you can only dream of

People want what they want. Brit2 Knows what he wants. I can’t fault that.

I am basically trying to thread his needle: have sex with women Who are into me. At age 73.

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

He 'was' being laughed at for a lot of things he expressed, specifically his naivety.

Past tense used because he's gone off radar - Perhaps PG has had enough and 'done him in'... or perhaps she read this thread and is now pursuing defamation against him after he posted photo's and described her sexual behavior.

27 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

He 'was' being laughed at for a lot of things he expressed, specifically his naivety.

Past tense used because he's gone off radar - Perhaps PG has had enough and 'done him in'... or perhaps she read this thread and is now pursuing defamation against him after he posted photo's and described her sexual behavior.

11 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I have Cameroni access that you can only dream of

There's a lot of 2026 remaining - but that could be the 'gayest' comment of the year !! 👉🏻👌🏻

51 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I never care about sleeping with them!

Yeeeh, riiiiiiight.......................🤣

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

There's a lot of 2026 remaining - but that could be the 'gayest' comment of the year !! 👉🏻👌🏻

Well, you clinched 2025 with your ladyboy comments, Richard, but please don't bring your gay fetish on this thread, this is a strictly heterosexual thread. I will not have you distort a beautiful bromance into something tawdry and seedy, both my and Prubangboy's heterosexual credentials are impeccable.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'll rephrase - as 'care' when women are concerned is beyond your lexicon.

'sleeping with them is your only goal'... you are not interested in them as people or care about them [women in general].

I'm only interested in them as wombs for my children to gestate within.

There's no sleeping involved.

59 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

both my and Prubangboy's heterosexual credentials are impeccable.

You two are getting along swimmingly, are you planning on taking him shopping to Big C !!..

He might be into tea-cups... or is that tea-bagging.... 🫖🎱🎱 👅

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm only interested in them as wombs for my children to gestate within.

There's no sleeping involved.

You mean there's no sleeping involved in your part... 💤

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

You mean there's no sleeping involved in your part... 💤

I don't think 3 minutes is long enough for anyone to fall asleep.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I don't think 3 minutes is long enough for anyone to fall asleep.

Careful - with prowess like that you'll steel cameroni's thunderous reputation for being dynamite in the sack and Phuket Girl will be hunting you down... no money involved of course !

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You two are getting along swimmingly

Well, we both worked on Wall Street, were married for a long time and now realised it's better to date exciting women, we have a lot in common.

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

are you planning on taking him shopping to Big C !!..

CM girl suggested Big C! There was no other choice.

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

He might be into tea-cups...

My precious Japanese tea cup, the one irreplacable casualty of CM girl's deceit. Why did you have to remind me?