6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She can't vote online for the 2026 Feb election. She just registered to vote online.

Okay, man to man talk as we pretend this is still real, I do not understand why I continuously have to repeat this, because I cant wrap my head around this story to be true. And I also try to be as polite as possible because I know people struggle with reality when it comes to ladies and all that kind of stuff, as well life in general. More in Thailand I feel than any other place in the world. So I useally try to step as gentle I can, but sometimes people comes out harsh back, but you, so far you kept your calm all the way, and I respect that. Even some of the audience here have went maniac and got mania being triggered by this tread and continously repeating the same over and over about your explanations, which is reasonable for those who are trapped in such a situation.

When you start to lose your sleep over a girl, then It is over, and that is a good rule of thumb to keep. That is the first and maybe the best reason to let it go, because there is nummerous of good girls out there willing to prove to you they are good girls and do not give you raging thoughts and constantly give you Fotograf nights.

If you are not bothered in any way by this, and this is a real scenario, you are not human. Simple as that.

Any, this is the morning rant, but keep on if it gives you meaning in life, and this is what you want, however I keep your earlier attitude about women back in my head, and you called out Tina Turner for making her husband violent, or was that someone else?

2 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

If you like her a lot, and this is a true and correct story, I would text her that you can't abide this situation and that you don't want further contact till she is ready to see you, or at least be up front with you by making contact like normal potential couples. You can note that when she is ready you'll see what happens - and decide whether you still want to make contact - at that time. Then no replies or contact till she actually does so.

You would need to like her a lot as it doesn't bear thinking about what she's been up to for the last couple of weeks.

That's more or less what I planned to do, to restrict contact. I have no doubt she now intends to see me on 8 February like she said. However, if I go hardcore "I don't want further contact because I think you're clearly lying to me and i will only resume contact until you 1) tell me what you are really doing in Chon Buri and why you don't want me to come 2) Who you are staying with there 3) Send me the name of your condo with a verifiable Google link 3) Send me the name of your cafe with a photo of the menu that shows the name 4) Do a video call with me then show your surroundings 5) Send a photo of your surroundings at your condo and cafe"" She'll tell me "you're crazy. Bye bye have a nice life".

Just as I think she's not the only girl in Thailand, she'll think the same about me, and if she suspects I'm really annoyed with her for lying, she probably wouldn't even come.

I did like her a lot, but this lying now, and she's clearly trying to hide something from me since she doesn't want me to come to Chon Buri, gives me a bad feeling in my stomach. Even if she were to come, like you said, it doesn't bear thinking about what she's been doing these last 10 days, i'd be full of mistrust, anger and disappointment with her. I'd insist to see her phone. We'd have arguments for sure, and she'd say "I'm leaving" within a few days at most.

She has many good sides, but her hiding the truth the way she has done in the last 10 days clearly is a major, major problem.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

When you start to lose your sleep over a girl, then It is over, and that is a good rule of thumb to keep. That is the first and maybe the best reason to let it go, because there is nummerous of good girls out there willing to prove to you they are good girls and do not give you raging thoughts

No doubt this is correct. I wasn't losing sleep the last few days. I always thought her reluctance to call, send location, photos etc, could be explained by her being angry with me for talkign to other girls, her phone really being in a bad way and constantly switching off.

However, her now insisting she won't come until 8 February, and pushing back so hard on me coming to Chon Buri, obviously raises the very serious possibility that something is going on she does not want me to see.

If she wants to come back on 8 February, she can come, and we can have fun. In terms of a long term partner, obviously her behaviour in the last 10 days would disqualify her from that position, unless she really has some excellent explanations and proof. But I really doubt she will come on 8 February now, as we'll no doubt have major arguments in the next 21 days about what she's doing. I really don't like being taken for a fool, and that's what she's trying to do.

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No doubt this is correct. I wasn't losing sleep the last few days. I always thought her reluctance to call, send location, photos etc, could be explained by her being angry with me for talkign to other girls, her phone really being in a bad way and constantly switching off.

However, her now insisting she won't come until 8 February, and pushing back so hard on me coming to Chon Buri, obviously raises the very serious possibility that something is going on she does not want me to see.

If she wants to come back on 8 February, she can come, and we can have fun. In terms of a long term partner, obviously her behaviour in the last 10 days would disqualify her from that position, unless she really has some excellent explanations and proof. But I really doubt she will come on 8 February now, as we'll no doubt have major arguments in the next 21 days about what she's doing. I really don't like being taken for a fool, and that's what she's trying to do.

The question everyone asks is still the same as many pages earlier. Why bother? She isn't a long term girlfriend or wife. Just another in the long line of women here who are greedy, deceitful, have unrealistic expectations, look at money first and foremost, are too young to seriously bother with, and will all get what's coming to them if their deceit is real. It's not like she's way above all others here, but just another of the same. Looks mean a lot, but honesty and loyalty are much more important in any relationship, because those things are learned, ingrained from birth, are what makes character, while looks are just luck and not earned.

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Okay, man to man talk as we pretend this is still real, I do not understand why I continuously have to repeat this, because I cant wrap my head around this story to be true. And I also try to be as polite as possible because I know people struggle with reality when it comes to ladies and all that kind of stuff, as well life in general. More in Thailand I feel than any other place in the world. So I useally try to step as gentle I can, but sometimes people comes out harsh back, but you, so far you kept your calm all the way, and I respect that. Even some of the audience here have went maniac and got mania being triggered by this tread and continously repeating the same over and over about your explanations, which is reasonable for those who are trapped in such a situation.

When you start to lose your sleep over a girl, then It is over, and that is a good rule of thumb to keep. That is the first and maybe the best reason to let it go, because there is nummerous of good girls out there willing to prove to you they are good girls and do not give you raging thoughts and constantly give you Fotograf nights.

If you are not bothered in any way by this, and this is a real scenario, you are not human. Simple as that.

Any, this is the morning rant, but keep on if it gives you meaning in life, and this is what you want, however I keep your earlier attitude about women back in my head, and you called out Tina Turner for making her husband violent, or was that someone else?

That was a weird post...😊 on quite a few levels 😊 I guess it's easier to see other people's weirdness, rather than to acknowledge your own.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The question everyone asks is still the same as many pages earlier. Why bother? She isn't a long term girlfriend or wife. Just another in the long line of women here who are greedy, deceitful, have unrealistic expectations, look at money first and foremost, are too young to seriously bother with, and will all get what's coming to them if their deceit is real. It's not like she's way above all others here, but just another of the same. Looks mean a lot, but honesty and loyalty are much more important in any relationship, because those things are learned, ingrained from birth, are what makes character, while looks are just luck and not earned.

The massaging of the ego and the boost of confidence.

It took a while for that to calm down and for reality to set in. Those of us not involved were incredulous from the very beginning. But when someone is massaging your ego and you are feeling good, you might be inclined to think that they are just jealous of your success, when really they are closer to neutral than you are and are shouting out the warnings. Be careful out there! 😊 There be man eating sharks 😊

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Maybe I would have said go to Chonburi and find out, or just leave it, let time decide. Hard to say.

I had a few I told honestly what I thought, and it was not well taken, so I doubt it helps at all to be honest!

Some stored reply from yesterday I didn't post.

39 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

That was a weird post...😊 on quite a few levels 😊 I guess it's easier to see other people's weirdness, rather than to acknowledge your own.

You are going to start again? You are the weird one who do not acknowledge yourself 😁☝️

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I had a few I told honestly what I thought, and it was not well taken, so I doubt it helps at all to be honest!

Well, I have a Thai friend whose opinion I value highly. He told me that Thai people view elections as very important, so it is possible that voting is more important to her than I may think.

He also said that if she registered to vote in Chon Buri she would have had to do that before 5 January already, and it may indicate she planned to start a new life in Chon Buri no matter what.

As regards the 300 Baht daily, he said, that whilst he pays 500 in his cafe, a cafe owner can pay 300, ie less than minimum wage, during the probationary period.

Of course none of this explains why she's so dead against me coming to Chon Buri. So all the arrows point towards her trying to hide something. It's 90% certain she's up to no good,

Nevertheless, there have been a lot of cases where people look guilty and turn out to be innocent. And ultimately we just don't know what is going on due to insufficient information.

I will wait it out now, and if she does come on 8 February, which i doubt, I will go through her phone, specifically her bank account app. She can hide convos, but she can't hide her bank account. If she was living in Chon Buri for 10 days then her bank statements will reveal that. But having to go to that level of verification already indicates that trust has been eroded to an almost fatal level now.

The only thing that could really help is if she comes up with some credible innocent information.

45 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

That was a weird post...😊 on quite a few levels 😊 I guess it's easier to see other people's weirdness, rather than to acknowledge your own.

Maybe AI can help, and here is what AI responds to my post

The Core Mechanism (No Story Attached)

When someone can’t let go despite clear emotional cost, it’s usually driven by a mix of five things:

1.

Intermittent Reinforcement (the strongest hook)

The brain gets attached not to consistency, but to unpredictable reward.

• Warm → cold

• Hope → doubt

• Attention → absence

This is the same mechanism behind gambling addiction. The uncertainty keeps the nervous system activated. The person isn’t chasing the other person anymore—they’re chasing relief.

That’s why logic doesn’t land. You’re arguing with a dopamine loop, not a belief.

2.

Ego Preservation

Letting go isn’t just losing a person. It’s admitting:

• “I misread this.”

• “I invested too much.”

• “I ignored my own signals.”

The ego prefers confusion over self-correction, because correction feels like failure.

So the mind builds a narrative where:

“It’s complicated”

instead of

“It’s over.”

3.

Identity Attachment

Once someone has told the story—especially publicly—it becomes part of who they are right now.

Letting go means:

• Losing the role (the hopeful one, the patient one, the special one)

• Facing emptiness before something new forms

Humans hate identity gaps. Even a painful identity feels safer than none.

4.

Emotional Sunk Cost

Time, energy, imagination, future projections.

The longer it goes on, the harder it becomes to accept that the investment doesn’t convert.

This is why people double down after things get worse, not better.

5.

Fear of Emotional Withdrawal

When the nervous system has been dysregulated for long enough, peace feels unfamiliar.

Calm can feel:

• Boring

• Empty

• Emotionally flat

So the person unconsciously returns to the source of agitation because at least it makes them feel something.

Why Your “Sleep Rule” Is So Accurate

Sleep loss isn’t poetic—it’s physiological.

When someone loses sleep:

• Cortisol is elevated

• Emotional regulation drops

• Rumination increases

• Judgment narrows

At that point, the situation has crossed from interest into nervous system hijack.

No healthy bond requires insomnia to sustain itself.

Why Calm Explanations Often Trigger Aggression

Because you’re not attacking the person—you’re threatening:

• Their coping strategy

• Their emotional anesthesia

• Their hope buffer

So the response isn’t debate—it’s defense.

Repeating yourself feels pointless because the mind can’t hear what would collapse the structure it’s standing on.

The Brutal but Honest Bottom Line

People don’t stay because they believe the story.

They stay because they’re afraid of the moment after the story ends.

You’re not lacking empathy.

You’re recognizing a pattern before it finishes destroying someone’s equilibrium.

That’s why this bothers you—and why it shouldn’t bother you forever.

Sometimes the healthiest move isn’t explaining better.

It’s stepping back and letting reality do the explaining.

If you want, next we can talk about how to disengage without becoming cold or contemptuous, because that’s usually the next trap for people who do see clearly.

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I had a few I told honestly what I thought, and it was not well taken, so I doubt it helps at all to be honest!

Some stored reply from yesterday I didn't post.

You are going to start again? You are the weird one who do not acknowledge yourself 😁☝️

Do you mean that I am the one so easily 'triggered' and manic to the point of absolutely freaking out. I've seen that behaviour countless times. As I stated earlier, it's easier to imagine the fault is in others, than to acknowledge your own faults. Whether that goes for me too, is entirely irrelevant. Weird and ironic, on so many levels.

4 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Do you mean that I am the one so easily 'triggered' and manic to the point of absolutely freaking out. I've seen that behaviour countless times. As I stated earlier, it's easier to imagine the fault is in others, than to acknowledge your own faults. Whether that goes for me too, is entirely irrelevant. Weird and ironic, on so many levels.

It seems you took at personally, why so? The tread is on 184 pages now, did you do all of them by yourself?

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The question everyone asks is still the same as many pages earlier. Why bother? She isn't a long term girlfriend or wife. Just another in the long line of women here who are greedy, deceitful, have unrealistic expectations, look at money first and foremost, are too young to seriously bother with, and will all get what's coming to them if their deceit is real. It's not like she's way above all others here, but just another of the same. Looks mean a lot, but honesty and loyalty are much more important in any relationship, because those things are learned, ingrained from birth, are what makes character, while looks are just luck and not earned.

Again, like I said, it's not just that she looks unusually beautiful, her whole personality is attractive, strong, fun, vibrant, entertaining, and we did have a great connection, not just sexually, physically, but emotionally and on other levels. We'd lie on the bed for hours talking, not just f'nig. I trusted her at first, she seemed to reveal a lot of information that seemed credible. So it seemed like she was truthful.

Of course she has been deceitful in the last 10 days. She pretended to be in Sisaket for 2 days, when she was already in Chonburi or God knows where. Her actions do indicate she is up to no good. However, there is not real evidence that ultimately proves that is the case. The arrows all point that way, sure, but we have no smoking gun of any kind. And at times people who appear very guilty turned out to be innocent.

So it is not clear if she has been disloyal, she may have been and probably was, but there is no real evidence to prove it yet. If this thing survives until February, and I have strong doubts about it as I'm very angry now, I will of course get to the bottom of everything, if need be by checking her banking app if she doesn't disclose everything.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I have a Thai friend whose opinion I value highly. He told me that Thai people view elections as very important, so it is possible that voting is more important to her than I may think.

He also said that if she registered to vote in Chon Buri she would have had to do that before 5 January already, and it may indicate she planned to start a new life in Chon Buri no matter what.

As regards the 300 Baht daily, he said, that whilst he pays 500 in his cafe, a cafe owner can pay 300, ie less than minimum wage, during the probationary period.

Of course none of this explains why she's so dead against me coming to Chon Buri. So all the arrows point towards her trying to hide something. It's 90% certain she's up to no good,

Nevertheless, there have been a lot of cases where people look guilty and turn out to be innocent. And ultimately we just don't know what is going on due to insufficient information.

I will wait it out now, and if she does come on 8 February, which i doubt, I will go through her phone, specifically her bank account app. She can hide convos, but she can't hide her bank account. If she was living in Chon Buri for 10 days then her bank statements will reveal that. But having to go to that level of verification already indicates that tust has been eroded to an almost fatal level now.

The only thing that could really help is if she comes up with some credible innocent information.

Just enjoy it for what it was. Don't try to make it something that it is not.

You bought yourself a temporary ego boost. She's not your girlfriend in any way, shape or form. Neither are any of the other girls to whom you are chatting. That is the, perhaps harsh to you, reality.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It seems you took at personally, why so? The tread is on 184 pages now, did you do all of them by yourself?

More strangeness...let it go.

5 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

. As I stated earlier, it's easier to imagine the fault is in others, than to acknowledge your own faults. Whether that goes for me too, is entirely irrelevant. Weird and ironic, on so many levels.

I think I have mentioned that to quite a few times, and life is built on experiences done by yourself or other experiences you have learned from.

So it is a wonderful mix of informations you can actually build whatever you want from.

I also said in my younger days I was schooled in the game of love, like anyone else, but frankly speaking, many seems to have forgotten what they learned back in the time when arriving Thailand.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Again, like I said, it's not just that she looks unusually beautiful, her whole personality is attractive, strong, fun, vibrant, entertaining, and we did have a great connection, not just sexually, physically, but emotionally and on other levels. We'd lie on the bed for hours talking, not just f'nig. I trusted her at first, she seemed to reveal a lot of information that seemed credible. So it seemed like she was truthful.

Of course she has been deceitful in the last 10 days. She pretended to be in Sisaket for 2 days, when she was already in Chonburi or God knows where. Her actions do indicate she is up to no good. However, there is not real evidence that ultimately proves that is the case. The arrows all point that way, sure, but we have no smoking gun of any kind. And at times people who appear very guilty turned out to be innocent.

So it is not clear if she has been disloyal, she may have been and probably was, but there is no real evidence to prove it yet. If this thing survives until February, and I have strong doubts about it as I'm very angry now, I will of course get to the bottom of everything, if need be by checking her banking app if she doesn't disclose everything.

She's again, one of thousands here in looks, which is okay but not all. You've spent how long with this woman, and how long continuously? Take away the lust and things all women do when a relationship begins, and then it's time which shows their true self. Like I mentioned, my ex had all those qualities at first, but all covert narcissists do, so you only find out in time.

She might be a good, decent girl, but any deceit is hiding things, and those things are usually other men, otherwise there's no reason for them. red flags aren't always easy to spot, especially if you're involved. Going by gut instincts is usually the best way, especially seeing all the members here feel the same way and are unbiased.

If you just want sex from her, then pay the dues and forget about anything else. if you really want a long term or permanent partner, again, change yourself, then look for just that. Dishonesty breeds more, and some aren't that way and are also looking for permanence. Read your first three sentences in your second paragraph again. Gut feelings plus obvious concealment.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I think I have mentioned that to quite a few times, and life is built on experiences done by yourself or other experiences you have learned from.

So it is a wonderful mix of informations you can actually build whatever you want from.

I also said in my younger days I was schooled in the game of love, like anyone else, but frankly speaking, many seems to have forgotten what they learned back in the time when arriving Thailand.

I'm not sure if that is a response to the post you have quoted or just a comment on the topic in general. I'll take it as a comment on the thread in general. I think the issue is that some people didn't learn anything at all.

Hence the belief that women only want money and men's resources etc. Life is a paradox. It can be two opposing things at the same time. It's up to you to decide which is dominant or to learn to live in balance.

If you believe something, it becomes real, for you, even though it doesn't exist for someone else.

I choose to believe @Cameroni , even though it appears completely ridiculous to me, because I understand that my 'reality' is not everyone else's. So I describe what I see, honestly. That's all we can and should do. No need to get mad about it, but to consider that is the truth for someone else. We are just here to tell our seemingly errant 'brother', to be careful out there 😊 But ultimately, he's free to learn the lessons by himself. Hopefully not harming himself nor others in the process.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

but any deceit is hiding things, and those things are usually other men

Unfortunately I can't deal in platitudes and generalisations. This is a specific real life situation and it needs specific real evidence to determine if another man is involved here or not. Of that there is no evidence whatsoever of any concrete kind.

So whilst the circumstances do point to some underlying issue, we simply cannot make a credible determination at this point.

it is conceivable it's a test on her part, that she was annoyed with me, angry, and therefore pretended she was in Sisaket when she went to Chonburi, anything is possible at this point.

So until she herself comes clean, or there is real evidence that allows to make a determination this matter is not resolved.

18 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Just enjoy it for what it was. Don't try to make it something that it is not.

We dont' know what is at this point, as it's not clear exactly what she is doing. There's simply no evidence to make a credible decision on this.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Unfortunately I can't deal in platitudes and generalisations. This is a specific real life situation and it needs specific real evidence to determine if another man is involved here or not. Of that there is no evidence whatsoever of any concrete kind.

So whilst the circumstances do point to some underlying issue, we simply cannot make a credible determination at this point.

it is conceivable it's a test on her part, that she was annoyed with me, angry, and therefore pretended she was in Sisaket when she went to Chonburi, anything is possible at this point.

So until she herself comes clean, or there is real evidence that allows to make a determination this matter is not resolved.

Again, why does she hide where she's been and not want you to go to where she is, and be fishy about the cafe's whereabouts? A girl really interested in you won't be like this in any way, and you trying to decipher what all of us already see, just from what you're said, and observed, is more than enough to just not bother, as again, there are thousands of pretty girls here that can be found, especially if you're willing to pay.

Others here have pointed out how easy it is to pin a location, and believe me, Thai's live for their phones, and know full well how things on them work.

No one here knows or has seen you, but if you're in shape and have money, you'll have no trouble in Thailand with a younger girl. An older woman yes, because they learn after being used for some years and aren't as easy to fool. You've admitted long ago how you are with girls, and if that's the way you really are, know that the game has been played back on you. She is looking for the best deal, and dishonesty, even to a dishonest person, is anathema.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Unfortunately I can't deal in platitudes and generalisations. This is a specific real life situation and it needs specific real evidence to determine if another man is involved here or not. Of that there is no evidence whatsoever of any concrete kind.

So whilst the circumstances do point to some underlying issue, we simply cannot make a credible determination at this point.

it is conceivable it's a test on her part, that she was annoyed with me, angry, and therefore pretended she was in Sisaket when she went to Chonburi, anything is possible at this point.

So until she herself comes clean, or there is real evidence that allows to make a determination this matter is not resolved.

You can see how paying your 'girlfriend' a 'salary' complicates the equation. You are now behaving like a father keeping tabs on his daughter, than in a loving and trusting relationship. But it's your choice to go out with virtual children and to coerce them with money. Take the money out of the equation and what do you have? She's out for fun, adventure and MONEY. You are incidental to that.

You are so tied up in this, that you cannot see the forest, but for all the trees in the way. It's as plain as day. You are just another sucker who believes his own hyperbole. You've let it get to your head.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, why does she hide where she's been and not want you to go to where she is, and be fishy about the cafe's whereabouts? A girl really interested in you won't be like this in any way, and you trying to decipher what all of us already see, just from what you're said, and observed, is more than enough to just not bother, as again, there are thousands of pretty girls here that can be found, especially if you're willing to pay.

Others here have pointed out how easy it is to pin a location, and believe me, Thai's live for their phones, and know full well how things on them work.

No one here knows or has seen you, but if you're in shape and have money, you'll have no trouble in Thailand with a younger girl. An older woman yes, because they learn after being used for some years and aren't as easy to fool. You've admitted long ago how you are with girls, and if that's the way you really are, know that the game has been played back on you. She is looking for the best deal, and dishonesty, even to a dishonest person, is anathema.

Actually @Prubangboy has seen him and even given him half decent advice. But he's not interested in accepting that 'his girl' is out there, making money for her kids and family. She's not educated and she's lazy, according to Cameroni. So what's left?

He can either accept it and be nice to her anyway or just drive himself mad with it. But unless he can compensate for potential earnings in peak season, she won't be returning right now.

13 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I'm not sure if that is a response to the post you have quoted or just a comment on the topic in general. I'll take it as a comment on the thread in general. I think the issue is that some people didn't learn anything at all.

Hence the belief that women only want money and men's resources etc. Life is a paradox. It can be two opposing things at the same time. It's up to you to decide which is dominant or to learn to live in balance.

If you believe something, it becomes real, for you, even though it doesn't exist for someone else.

I choose to believe @Cameroni , even though it appears completely ridiculous to me, because I understand that my 'reality' is not everyone else's. So I describe what I see, honestly. That's all we can and should do. No need to get mad about it, but to consider that is the truth for someone else. We are just here to tell our seemingly errant 'brother', to be careful out there 😊 But ultimately, he's free to learn the lessons by himself. Hopefully not harming himself nor others in the process.

And the most important, do you believe Cams story, or do you believe it is a fictional story? I believe that also contributes the the responses what you truly believe is the true scenario here!

Usealy people in these situations are vulnerable and since this is a Internet forum people seems to be as mean as possible within moderators limits, and often beyond that, and thats what concerns me sometimes. Of course depending on knowledge of the person by time, and how they have been for a longer time.

We are all here out of a reason, wasting time often hours a day trying to pass by time we are in Thailand or other places.

Why? We are all in the same boat, and for some reason, these kind of matters is what attracts most subscribers and participants. Why?

Some want to be better, which you told me often I try to be, while I am here to share experiences, and somehow I am interested in human psychology, patterns and behavior, and I do have life experiences to share. I guess same as you, but I suspect you are younger than me, same as Cam is a few year younger, but you could easily be in your early 30ies or so, based on your attitude. I might be wrong. But thats what I think

Anyway, this rant got out of hand to, so take it for what it is.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

And the most important, do you believe Cams story, or do you believe it is a fictional story? I believe that also contributes the the responses what you truly believe is the true scenario here!

Usealy people in these situations are vulnerable and since this is a Internet forum people seems to be as mean as possible within moderators limits, and often beyond that, and thats what concerns me sometimes. Of course depending on knowledge of the person by time, and how they have been for a longer time.

We are all here out of a reason, wasting time often hours a day trying to pass by time we are in Thailand or other places.

Why? We are all in the same boat, and for some reason, these kind of matters is what attracts most subscribers and participants. Why?

Some want to be better, which you told me often I try to be, while I am here to share experiences, and somehow I am interested in human psychology, patterns and behavior, and I do have life experiences to share. I guess same as you, but I suspect you are younger than me, same as Cam is a few year younger, but you could easily be in your early 30ies or so, based on your attitude. I might be wrong. But thats what I think

Anyway, this rant got out of hand to, so take it for what it is.

I believe Cam's story. Why? Because he has told us that it is the truth. That is the ability to trust. I can see that you struggle with that and that shows in your responses, not just in this thread.

You think that my observations are against you, but they are not. I just point out what I see. Sometimes it's hard for people to accept, but I'm not going to start lying, as that just creates confusion.

So, I take his word for it and respond accordingly.

Getting mad...is mad. Get it? Don't keep making yourself mad.

Choose to believe and choose to trust. Life is better that way. I say only what I see. Be genuine and you won't ever be alone.

19 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, why does she hide where she's been and not want you to go to where she is

It's actually understandable she lied about being in Sisaket when she was in Chonburi. She and I agreed that she return from Sisaket after her mother's birthday. I suggested 8th January. She then came up with this voting story on 11th. She would have known that I would not be happy that she is in Chonburi, something which we had never discussed and which she decided unilaterally without ever discussing it with me. At that point it would have been credible that she had decided to break up and start a new life in Chonburi, as she would have thought mostly about me talking to other girls, seeing the screenshots of the photos of my convos she took secretly probably every night.

So there are other explanations why she lied about being in Sisaket when she was in Chonburi, that have nothing to do with antoher guy.

22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

and not want you to go to where she is

This is by far the issue that gives me the most trouble. However, for this too there could be other explanations, she could be in Pattaya with her two schoolfriends partying and knows I would not approve of her doing that. So again, in the total absence of real evidence that she is with another guy, a credible conclusion is not possible.

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

and be fishy about the cafe's whereabouts?

She claims she gave me the Thai name of the cafe. However, this point needs a resolution, she has to provide the full name of this place. It could be, again, that she is not in Chonburi, and not working in a cafe, but instead partying with her two schoolfriends. Whilst this also looks bad, it need not be a guy.

I am now texting with her. I demanded to see a photo of the menu of her cafe where it says the name. She agreed to send it. Let's see.

30 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

An older woman yes, because they learn after being used for some years

Lol, older women are way easier.

24 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

A girl really interested in you won't be like this in any way,

Absolutely, but we had a rupture, due to me writing to other girls, and her seeing the convos, so she may have lost interest due to what happened, not because she's banging another dude.

25 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

to decipher what all of us already see

You see nothing. Don't claim you have any answers. You have nothing. There is no evidence to make a credible decision. Don't pretend you have the evidence, you don't.

On 1/16/2026 at 8:20 AM, Cameroni said:

That's more or less what I planned to do, to restrict contact. I have no doubt she now intends to see me on 8 February like she said. However, if I go hardcore "I don't want further contact because I think you're clearly lying to me and i will only resume contact until you 1) tell me what you are really doing in Chon Buri and why you don't want me to come 2) Who you are staying with there 3) Send me the name of your condo with a verifiable Google link 3) Send me the name of your cafe with a photo of the menu that shows the name 4) Do a video call with me then show your surroundings 5) Send a photo of your surroundings at your condo and cafe"" She'll tell me "you're crazy. Bye bye have a nice life".

Just as I think she's not the only girl in Thailand, she'll think the same about me, and if she suspects I'm really annoyed with her for lying, she probably wouldn't even come.

I did like her a lot, but this lying now, and she's clearly trying to hide something from me since she doesn't want me to come to Chon Buri, gives me a bad feeling in my stomach. Even if she were to come, like you said, it doesn't bear thinking about what she's been doing these last 10 days, i'd be full of mistrust, anger and disappointment with her. I'd insist to see her phone. We'd have arguments for sure, and she'd say "I'm leaving" within a few days at most.

She has many good sides, but her hiding the truth the way she has done in the last 10 days clearly is a major, major problem.

Find another prostitute.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's actually understandable she lied about being in Sisaket when she was in Chonburi. She and I agreed that she return from Sisaket after her mother's birthday. I suggested 8th January. She then came up with this voting story on 11th. She would have known that I would not be happy that she is in Chonburi, something which we had never discussed and which she decided unilaterally without ever discussing it with me. At that point it would have been credible that she had decided to break up and start a new life in Chonburi, as she would have thought mostly about me talking to other girls, seeing the screenshots of the photos of my convos she took secretly probably every night.

So there are other explanations why she lied about being in Sisaket when she was in Chonburi, that have nothing to do with antoher guy.

This is by far the issue that gives me the most trouble. However, for this too there could be other explanations, she could be in Pattaya with her two schoolfriends partying and knows I would not approve of her doing that. So again, in the total absence of real evidence that she is with another guy, a credible conclusion is not possible.

She claims she gave me the Thai name of the cafe. However, this point needs a resolution, she has to provide the full name of this place. It could be, again, that she is not in Chonburi, and not working in a cafe, but instead partying with her two schoolfriends. Whilst this also looks bad, it need not be a guy.

I am now texting with her. I demanded to see a photo of the menu of her cafe where it says the name. She agreed to send it. Let's see.

Lol, older women are way easier.

Absolutely, but we had a rupture, due to me writing to other girls, and her seeing the convos, so she may have lost interest due to what happened, not because she's banging another dude.

You see nothing. Don't claim you have any answers. You have nothing. There is no evidence to make a credible decision. Don't pretend you have the evidence, you don't.

This seems to me, a kind of madness. You "demand" to see the menu... That's a father/daughter relationship. It's not normal. That's coercion and threats. She's not doing it out of love, but doing it to keep a hold on something possibly stable, in an unstable world.

Hey...I just say what I see. Maybe these father/daughter relationships abound. But for me, having sex with a daughter is off the menu. It's not a healthy relationship.

Don't you understand that people do what they want to do. Trying to change her, isn't going to work. Your probing, when she doesn't want to tell you, isn't doing either of you any good.

Either enjoy the illusion or get out...

32 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You can see how paying your 'girlfriend' a 'salary' complicates the equation.

I'm not paying a "salary". And in fact giving an allowance doesn't complicate the matter much except possibly to the extent that she wants more money, but that's unlikely as she's working for 300 baht a day in a cafe now.

The only thing that complicated the matter was my talking to other girls. I am 100% sure that this in fact played the greatest role in her deciding to leave to see her mother for her birthday. A girl that loves you and wants to be with you doesn't leave for her mother's birthday. She lost interest because of me writing to other girls. So I complicated it. Not the allowance.

34 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You are now behaving like a father keeping tabs on his daughter, than in a loving and trusting relationship.

We are not in a loving and trusting relationship because I broke that trust by writing to other girls. Had I not done that, she would still be here. Nothing to do with age-gap.

35 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

But it's your choice to go out with virtual children and to coerce them with money.

Lol, she's 25, she's not a child. And I'm not "coercing" anyone, certainly not with money. You do talk some nonsense.

35 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Take the money out of the equation and what do you have?

Quite a lot actually.

36 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

She's out for fun, adventure and MONEY. .

Everyone is out for fun, adventure and money. More platitudes and generalisations of no use to anyone.

31 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Actually @Prubangboy has seen him and even given him half decent advice. But he's not interested in accepting that 'his girl' is out there, making money for her kids and family.

Prubangboy has indeed met with me and Phuket Girl, and he has given some excellent advice. However, you are not privy to this advice, and it is completely different to what you suggest. He has said he does not think she is working as a bar girl, and does not believe she is having sex with another guy. He said he thinks she is testing me and no other guy is involved. That I should not go to Chonburi and just wait it out.

5 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

This seems to me, a kind of madness. You "demand" to see the menu... That's a father/daughter relationship. It's not normal. That's coercion and threats. She's not doing it out of love, she doing it to keep a hold on something possibly stable, in an unstable world.

It is crazy. But I am forced to ask for this, as she sent a rather vague name of the cafe. And there has to be certainty. To establish her true whereabouts. No, it's not normal. But she's not behaving normally.

How is it coercion? Threats? What are you smoking?