7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No he was spouting nonense, as you are now. "Just trusting her"? Did you not get what happened these last 10 days? She has to clarify what she was up to exactly. If she was meeting some other guy, or even just entertaining some other guy, she is immediately disqualified. Then she is not decent and not to be trusted.

To know IF you can trust her, the truth has to be established. Obviously. Anyone who doesn't get that is just clueless.

Then she shouldn't have acted shady like a criminal these last 10 days. There have been several events that give real rise for concern, and she has to clarify what she did. The truth must come out. If she doesn't like it, too bad. I'm the last person that will be alone, like I said, I have 3 girls already lined up given this situation. She will be checked up on if she comes back.

I don't need to. I already did. I also screwed up and lied. I was a criminal too. But I'm admitting it and willing to do the time, willing to re-establish trust and tell her the full truth. She needs to do the same. I don't like her checking my phone, but I would allow her so she can get comfortable again. if she cares for me, she'll do the same.

Wrong. She very much does, if she wants a protracted, serious long term relationship with me. I'm not dealing with a liar nor someone who bangs other guys in those terms.

I don't spout nonsense, and neither was his reply. Maybe we just might understand women better and how they are, especially from going through the wringer with certain types. We all have read what she and you did all along, and we are all on the same page as far as how she is and what you should do. It's totally up to you to do whatever you want, as you have your own motives and desires, but when everyone's saying the same thing, maybe it's making sense.

There's no question about trust. Either you do or you don't, and you obviously don't. I'm thinking everyone here feels the same way. Remember we are again reading what you said. It doesn't look like anyone's against you but just giving advice based on our experiences.

Your words........"Then she shouldn't have acted shady like a criminal these last 10 days. There have been several events that give real rise for concern, and she has to clarify what she did. The truth must come out. If she doesn't like it, too bad."........Again you have the answers but are using excuses to try to make her change. People don't really change much, especially their real character after 25 or so. It's ingrained behavior from all the previous years. .What she "should" have done is no matter. What she did does. Again, the main thing is you have to trust her. She's an adult and you don't test people. They either are one way or another. If you don't like how she is, there are other girls. No trust, no relationship. Wouldn't you rather have an honest woman than one that has shown otherwise? Again, you also have to be that way for it to work.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Maybe we just might understand women better

I doubt it very much. "Just trusting her" is a recipe for her to walk all over you.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

when everyone's saying the same thing

It's not everyone, it's you and that mendacious fool.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

There's no question about trust. Either you do or you don't, and you obviously don't.

Again, you're like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand. You need to understand that a specific series of events have happened here. Your platitudes and generalisations are completely useless. You don't just trust a girl who did what she did. That would be crazy. You verify.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm thinking everyone here feels the same way

You keep suggesting you think you speak for everyone else. I very much doubt it.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

People don't really change much, especially their real character after 25 or so. It's ingrained behavior from all the previous years

People can change. The entire psychotherapy industry is based on that principle, the whole self improvement industry is based on it. People can change allright.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What she "should" have done is no matter. What she did does

Well, that's the f'ng point isn't it? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE DID! That's what needs to be established.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Wouldn't you rather have an honest woman than one that has shown otherwise?

Again, I don't know if she was dishonest. That has to be determined still.

32 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

They don't. Phuket Girl herself was in bed with me when she told me how much better I treat her than anyone else before. Remarked that she just has to say she'd like to do something and I take her there.

It wasn't just that. I tried to anticipate what she might like and provide it before she even asked for it. She loved her time here. What she hated was me talking to other girls. That made her think I'm just a player, can't be trusted, and she's better off running away. So that's what she did.

So what if she ran away and had revenge sex? What are you going to do about it? Nothing. Stop wasting time with all this noise. If you were going to leave, you would have already done so. Better to not think bad at all, if you are going to try to make a go of it. Just get over it.

You made a mistake. She made a mistake. Don't live in the past. See how you go if you just get back in the groove now.

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So what if she ran away and had revenge sex?

That is a very strong possibility. She told me a story how she caught her Thai ex sexting some girl. And in revenge she went and had sex with a Thai guy. As a result her bf was so enraged that she feared for her life and fled to Phuket.

3 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

What are you going to do about it? Nothing.

Don't be stupid. Of course I would immediately disqualify her from any long term position. It would radically alter her status.

4 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

If you were going to leave, you would have already done so.

I'm not leaving. She can come back any time. But if she banged another guy, only as a f-buddy. I wont' take her seriously anymore.

5 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Just get over it.

Just get over her banging another dude? Do you hear yourself?

5 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You made a mistake. She made a mistake.

Dude! I texted an ex! I didn't have sex with her! I didn't sext her even. If she went and banged another guy, that's another type of mistake altogether!

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Nobody will treat her better than I did. She was treated like a Queen when she was here.

I'm not panicking in the slightest. If she's banging another guy, I already have 3 other girls lined up that will console me. And there will be more.

Obviously it would be regrettable as I do like her, but your post is digusting and obviously you've not understood a single thing.

I'm not trying to control her in the slightest. I'm trying to ascertain if she told the truth. Very different things. You're obviously being deliberately mendacious or just completely dishonest in your assessment. Like I said a disgusting post.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Absolutely the right thing to do. Respect.

Well of course. Which is why I'm so hardcore about the truth being told in this scenario. Because I'm still hoping she's not banging another guy, and it's all innocent, though if I were a betting man I'd strongly bet against that.

Just like you had that connection with that girl, I think have the same with Phuket Girl. So I'm sure she will be back. The question is really if she played the field and used another guy, or if she is really just working in a cafe.

Since she is withholding the truth. Hardly texting. Not calling. Telling me not to come to Chonburi, all these things unfortunately point to the opposite, that she is doing me dirty. But I will find out.

Some sanctimonius fool said that checking her banking app is "disgusting". Actually that's the surefire way to find out where she was these last 10 days. If she wants to be with me she'll have to be transparent and open and disclose her phone info. And I will check the banking app. This is how criminals are caught, forensic accounting, and she acts like a criminal now, hiding the truth. So she'll have to convince me otherwise. If she wants a full time position. For just fun, of course, anytime. But if she wants me to take her seriously, she'll have to clarify what happened these last 10 days.

“Sanctimonious fool” really? Don’t like the truth do you @ Cameroni?Just look at the way you interact with people you have to get abusive if someone says something you don’t like. You’re like a petulant schoolboy if you don’t get your own way. Wow what an absolute Adonis you must be to string so many P4P women along. You’re a real catch, all ego. 555 and now the ego is a tad bruised because it’s ok for you to be untrustworthy but heaven forbid your own game gets played back on you. Suck it up you’re coming across as pathetic oh and yes constantly questioning the girl like a jealous love sick puppy and intending to go through her banking app if she does return is disgusting ever heard of the word trust. You lost her trust by replying to BKK girl and it serves you right. You claim you love her when the reality is you love no one but yourself.I really do hope she’s done with you you really are nothing special

Just now, Cameroni said:

I doubt it very much. "Just trusting her" is a recipe for her to walk all over you.

It's not everyone, it's you and that mendacious fool.

Again, you're like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand. You need to understand that a specific series of events have happened here. Your platitudes and generalisations are completely useless. You don't just trust a girl who did what she did. That would be crazy. You verify.

You keep suggesting you think you speak for everyone else. I very much doubt it.

People can change. The entire psychotherapy industry is based on that principle, the whole self improvement industry is based on it. People can change allright.

Well, that's the f'ng point isn't it? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE DID! That's what needs to be established.

Again, I don't know if she was dishonest. That has to be determined still.

No trust, no relationship, period. People will walk over you if they have issues and are controlling, and that's a recipe for disaster. Trusting them has no bearing on how they really are.

I've been reading this from the start, and everyone's pretty much saying the same thing about her character, and yours. You have admitted it yourself. Take some time and see what everyone's said. I'm thinking you really aren't getting what people are saying here, thinking you can make her somehow come clean. Yes, it's possible, but I've been pointing out the obvious from your words. No one, including you, really knows this girl well, but you have said things about her dishonesty all along, which is where we get our knowledge from.

It's very simple again. Either you trust her or you don't.

Do you actually think people at our age haven't any experience with girls and women?

Yes, people can, and do have the ability to change, but after a certain number of years, and afterwards, it becomes much harder, and you can't change your basic character much. Little things and quirks can be adjusted, like smoking or eating bad, but how you look at the world and treat people starts in toddler years, and is ingrained from then until you leave the home. People who are dishonest are that way for a reason. To get over on others and gain something. Character traits they learned very young and are very hard to change. Her actions have shown dishonesty, and you've said this yourself. It's already established. She has reasons she isn't telling you where she is.

Again your words........"Again, you're like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand. You need to understand that a specific series of events have happened here. Your platitudes and generalisations are completely useless. You don't just trust a girl who did what she did. That would be crazy. You verify."............. I've been around many,many women all my life, including a few marriages. All types. Liars, cheaters, manipulators, con artists and very good, honest women and girls. Read a hundred books and countless articles on what makes people tick. Why they do what they do. You don't act like an ostrich with head in sand with all this knowledge. You see clearly how women are, which is a mystery to many men, even those who try to understand them.

You can not make a woman do things she isn't capable of doing, nor are responsible for an adult woman's actions. Again, you have to trust them, or let them go. Trying to force things is how a teenager acts, and controlling.

1 minute ago, Utalk2mutt said:

it’s ok for you to be untrustworthy but heaven forbid your own game gets played back on you.

I'm not interested in your sanctimonious nonsense, you don't understand that I did not have sex with another woman. She may well have done that with another guy. That's not repaying like with like. That's using the nuclear option in response to a misdemeanour.

Again you're not qualified to give advice on this. So don't write to me anymore.

2 minutes ago, Utalk2mutt said:

and intending to go through her banking app if she does return is disgusting ever heard of the word trust.

Again, your advice is terrible. To just trust a girl who has acted the way she has in the last 10 days is ludicrous. You can trust her again, but only if you can verify that what she did was not of concern. Currently it looks very much of concern, sorry to say.

Doing some forensic accounting is standard practice to catch a criminal, and here too it would quickly establish where she was in the last 10 days. Obviously she needs to give consent, and if she wants a long term rel, she would. If she refuses she's immediately disqualified as a liar who hides the truth. It's a perfectly sensible thing to do in this scenario to establish the truth. That this has to be done is regrettable, but substantially down to her actions.

5 minutes ago, Utalk2mutt said:

You lost her trust by replying to BKK girl

Yes, but that does not give her carte blanche to bang other dudes, you lunatic.

6 minutes ago, Utalk2mutt said:

.I really do hope she’s done with you you really are nothing special

As I said, you're a thoroughly malicious and disgusting human being, so don't write to me anymore you sanctimonious hater.

@ cameroni no hate just the truth as I see it. Oh and this is a public website of which I am a member I will reply as much as I want. Who the hell are you to tell me not to? Not happy man baby….block me.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's very simple again. Either you trust her or you don't.

Unfortunately, it's not. She's done certain things in the last 10 days that require some investigation to establish what really happened. That's just obvious.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

People who are dishonest are that way for a reason.

Again we do not know to what extent she was dishonest.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Her actions have shown dishonesty, and you've said this yourself. It's already established.

Look, there is a difference in quality in telling a white lie about where you are, and lying about doing reverse cowgirl with a guy from Estonia. We don't know what she did exactly.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, you have to trust them, or let them go. Trying to force things is how a teenager acts, and controlling.

I'm not trying to "force" anything. I'm just trying to establish exactly what she did. The veracity of what she claimed, and what she did in the last 10 days. This is a sensible thing to do.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Unfortunately, it's not. She's done certain things in the last 10 days that require some investigation to establish what really happened. That's just obvious.

Again we do not know to what extent she was dishonest.

Look, there is a difference in quality in telling a white lie about where you are, and lying about doing reverse cowgirl with a guy from Estonia. We don't know what she did exactly.

I'm not trying to "force" anything. I'm just trying to establish exactly what she did. The veracity of what she claimed, and what she did in the last 10 days. This is a sensible thing to do.

You're wanting to put her to the test to try and prove herself to you. That's not adult behavior. You accept a woman how she is or leave. Do you really think she is going to tell you everything, come clean, when she's already shown dishonesty? Why would she?

If she admitted to being with other men, she knows you would leave, and there goes one of her chances for money. No, you don't know what she might have done. You do know she's hiding her whereabouts. Why do you think this is? If she really cared, you would be the first to know where she is and what she's doing.

A smart woman knows she must be honest to keep especially an older man, who should have life experience. A dopey 20's something only thinks of gain, and many here do exactly what many others here do. Manipulators and liars for the money. Not right but expected in a poor country where the competition for a good man is tremendous.

You can't be controlling or naive. You have to be yourself. If you're a player, you deserve to be played, period. If you are an honest man who looks at women as equals and special, and not just bodies, you need to do what it takes to deserve a good woman.

Trust is the most important thing and this has been known for centuries. You either trust them or you don't. No middle ground like trusting them in some things. If you really want this girl, just do like some have said. Be nice and forget what you think she might have done. If you grill her, she will leave.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm not interested in your sanctimonious nonsense, you don't understand that I did not have sex with another woman. She may well have done that with another guy. That's not repaying like with like. That's using the nuclear option in response to a misdemeanour.

Again you're not qualified to give advice on this. So don't write to me anymore.

Again, your advice is terrible. To just trust a girl who has acted the way she has in the last 10 days is ludicrous. You can trust her again, but only if you can verify that what she did was not of concern. Currently it looks very much of concern, sorry to say.

Doing some forensic accounting is standard practice to catch a criminal, and here too it would quickly establish where she was in the last 10 days. Obviously she needs to give consent, and if she wants a long term rel, she would. If she refuses she's immediately disqualified as a liar who hides the truth. It's a perfectly sensible thing to do in this scenario to establish the truth. That this has to be done is regrettable, but substantially down to her actions.

Yes, but that does not give her carte blanche to bang other dudes, you lunatic.

As I said, you're a thoroughly malicious and disgusting human being, so don't write to me anymore you sanctimonious hater.

With that you're

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I'm not interested in your sanctimonious nonsense, you don't understand that I did not have sex with another woman. She may well have done that with another guy. That's not repaying like with like. That's using the nuclear option in response to a misdemeanour.

Again you're not qualified to give advice on this. So don't write to me anymore.

Again, your advice is terrible. To just trust a girl who has acted the way she has in the last 10 days is ludicrous. You can trust her again, but only if you can verify that what she did was not of concern. Currently it looks very much of concern, sorry to say.

Doing some forensic accounting is standard practice to catch a criminal, and here too it would quickly establish where she was in the last 10 days. Obviously she needs to give consent, and if she wants a long term rel, she would. If she refuses she's immediately disqualified as a liar who hides the truth. It's a perfectly sensible thing to do in this scenario to establish the truth. That this has to be done is regrettable, but substantially down to her actions.

Yes, but that does not give her carte blanche to bang other dudes, you lunatic.

As I said, you're a thoroughly malicious and disgusting human being, so don't write to me anymore you sanctimonious hater.

A quick answer. How are you going to make sure she hasn't been with a man? No one here is saying she did. Just a possibility for some. Do you think she will just come out and tell you, knowing she can lose a possible ATM? Yes, a person can lie and not be a cheat, but lying here is a national pastime, so trust does not come easy. But you have to, to keep it to yourself, because if you again, grill them, they will disappear and find someone that's happy to be with them without giving them the third degree.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You're wanting to put her to the test to try and prove herself to you.

No, I am trying to establish if what this girl said was true or if it was a lie. If she lied, then of course the reason for her lies has to be uncovered. Was it just to test, because she was visiting girlfriends in Pattaya or was she hooking up with another man.

It's not about "testing", it's the opposite, it's about elucidating who she really is and what she really did.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You accept a woman how she is or leave.

That's the point, my dude, we dont' know how she is because we don't know what she actually did.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Do you really think she is going to tell you everything, come clean, when she's already shown dishonesty? Why would she?

Because she wants a long term relationship with me, and if she does she will understand that she will lose that opportunity if she does not tell the truth. Assuming she cares for me and for that opportunity. So if she doesn't, that in and of itself is a disqualifier. So yes, if she cares for me she will agree to show her phone and she will come clean.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If she admitted to being with other men, she knows you would leave,

Which is why you investigate her phone. To establish what really happened, and then, under interrogation she will disclose what happened. BKK girl admitted it, after I found incriminating evidence. There comes a point when the evidence is so clear, you just can't lie anymore.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You do know she's hiding her whereabouts. Why do you think this is? If she really cared, you would be the first to know where she is and what she's doing.

First of all, we don't know if she's hiding her whereabouts. She may well be in Chonburi working in a cafe. We just don't know. And if she's not we don't know the reason for her lying. It could be something innocent, she just wanted to test you, she was visiting girlfriends who like to party, could be many things. So that's why you need find out.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You can't be controlling or naive.

I'm neither. So I don't know why you're giving me this useless advice.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You either trust them or you don't.

Again, a pointless platitude. Advice needs to be tailored to the specific situation. If events have happened that require investigation that has to be factored in.

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you really want this girl, just do like some have said. Be nice and forget what you think she might have done. If you grill her, she will leave.

I want this girl. But not at any price. If she's a liar. If she banged some other man. Then obviously I don't want her. The truth of what she did therefore has to be established. I don't understand how you don't get this?

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

No, I am trying to establish if what this girl said was true or if it was a lie. If she lied, then of course the reason for her lies has to be uncovered. Was it just to test, because she was visiting girlfriends in Pattaya or was she hooking up with another man.

It's not about "testing", it's the opposite, it's about elucidating who she really is and what she really did.

That's the point, my dude, we dont' know how she is because we don't know what she actually did.

Because she wants a long term relationship with me, and if she doesn't she will understand that she will lose that opportunity. Assuming she cares for me and for that opportunity. So if she doesn't, that in and of itself is a disqualifier. So yes, if she cares for me she will agree to show her phone and she will come clean.

Which is why you investigate her phone. To establish what really happened, and then, under interrogation she will disclose what happened. BKK girl admitted it, after I found incriminating evidence. There comes a point when the evidence is so clear, you just can't lie anymore.

First of all, we don't know if she's hiding her whereabouts. She may well be in Chonburi working in a cafe. We just don't know. And if she's not we don't know the reason for her lying. It could be something innocent, she just wanted to test you, she was visiting girlfriends who like to party, could be many things. So that's why you need find out.

I'm neither. So I don't know why you're giving me this useless advice.

Again, a pointless platitude. Advice needs to be tailored to the specific situation. If events have happened that require investigation that has to be factored in.

I want this girl. But not at any price. If she's a liar. If she banged some other man. Then obviously I don't want her. The truth of what she did therefore has to be established. I don't understand how you don't get this?

Again, do you think she will come clean about everything, and maybe admit she's been with others?

It again doesn't matter what she is or did, you still have to trust her.

She can erase everything from her phone before you meet, and also might have another phone, so again, trust.

You "interrogate" a woman, she will leave, period. No woman wants a man that doesn't trust her. especially a decent one with esteem and integrity.

She really did not want to show you where she works. Simple with a pin or picture, and said she doesn't want you to come there.

Your actions show controlling. maybe not to you but obvious to others. Again, no trust means doing things to control, to "force" the truth out of her.

I have never made a pointless platitude. All my advice comes from sound, well established principles. Again, you need to trust them. No negotiation on that simple fact.

I , and likely everyone else here, don't understand why you don't understand this advice is coming from everyone who's responded. You can ask her if she's been with anyone but might not get the truth. You might get the truth , and think she's lying, as you already see her as a liar, so that's already in your thinking, and very likely will stay there. I'm thinking you really don't have much experience with many women, even though you were married, and thinking girls here are the same as women in the west is not going to work. Trust me, we get this.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

That is a very strong possibility. She told me a story how she caught her Thai ex sexting some girl. And in revenge she went and had sex with a Thai guy. As a result her bf was so enraged that she feared for her life and fled to Phuket.

Don't be stupid. Of course I would immediately disqualify her from any long term position. It would radically alter her status.

I'm not leaving. She can come back any time. But if she banged another guy, only as a f-buddy. I wont' take her seriously anymore.

Just get over her banging another dude? Do you hear yourself?

Dude! I texted an ex! I didn't have sex with her! I didn't sext her even. If she went and banged another guy, that's another type of mistake altogether!

If she comes back, what then?

You going to require the truth, or you just going to give her frepass, and a new chance?

If you start forcing her to lie, and brake down the lies, then you always going to force the truth out of her, and if you give her frepass, will you trust her again!

It is quite a scenario you have ended up in!

What would I have done?

I think you know

39 minutes ago, Hummin said:

That is a very strong possibility. She told me a story how she caught her Thai ex sexting some girl. And in revenge she went and had sex with a Thai guy. As a result her bf was so enraged that she feared for her life and fled to Phuket.

This is what you want to start a relationship with? Sorry but you have to be kidding me. Its a bad joke.

Sorry the quote came out as Hummin, its Cameroni.

58 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, do you think she will come clean about everything, and maybe admit she's been with others?

Yes I do. Once she sees there's such clear evidence that lying is pointless she'll come clean. Usually it happens in tranches, some of the truth is told, then some more, Salami style.

45 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You going to require the truth, or you just going to give her frepass, and a new chance?

I need to know the truth, to know where I stand, what kind of person this is. Depends what she did. If, whenever she's unhappy and some problem occurs, she goes and bangs some guy, obviously she can't have any long term position. Yes, she's attractive, but there's a point when you have to give up even attractive girls.

48 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If you start forcing her to lie, and brake down the lies, then you always going to force the truth out of her, and if you give her frepass, will you trust her again!

If she had a fling with a guy it would not be possible to trust her again. I learned my lesson on that before. No matter how much you try, it's pointless. It changes everything. If she lied about small things, it's different.

10 minutes ago, marin said:

This is what you want to start a relationship with? Sorry but you have to be kidding me. Its a bad joke.

Not just that, but she has a history of this. She also claimed after the Austrian and her had a falling out, she thought he was playing on the side, so she had sex with two other guys herself. And then me.

So she' cheated on every single boyfriend she ever had, before me.

I view humans as similar to Bonobos, always built for cheating and sex. Nevertheless, people can change and act right. If she acts right, it's fine. If she cheated and lied about it, obviously she has to go.

Hire and fire. See what they do.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

She can erase everything from her phone before you meet, and also might have another phone, so again, trust.

She can erase convos. She can't erase her banking app. If you see some transfer from some Farang for 10,000 baht, 20000 baht you know what's up. You can also see if she was in Chonburi or Pattaya or Bangkok or where.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

You "interrogate" a woman, she will leave, period. No woman wants a man that doesn't trust her. especially a decent one with esteem and integrity.

Yes, which is why I'm going to give her the chance to tell the truth, and uncover the truth. So she can be trusted. See what I mean?

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

You can ask her if she's been with anyone but might not get the truth. You might get the truth , and think she's lying, as you already see her as a liar, so that's already in your thinking, and very likely will stay there.

No, I go on evidence, see. I check the phone. When confronted with the evidence themselves, they then confess.

57 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is quite a scenario you have ended up in!

It's way more interesting than this. If you think about it, this thread started with me expressing my outrage over Phuket Girl being so shameless she said she wants to talk to other guys while being in a rel.

Then I go and DO just the thing which I complained about so bitterly. You can't make it up. I was more shameless than her. She actually didn't do it.

Unless she banged some dude, of course, then she wins.

But this thread is deep-filled with delicious ironies waiting to be discovered.

29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's way more interesting than this. If you think about it, this thread started with me expressing my outrage over Phuket Girl being so shameless she said she wants to talk to other guys while being in a rel.

Then I go and DO just the thing which I complained about so bitterly. You can't make it up. I was more shameless than her. She actually didn't do it.

Unless she banged some dude, of course, then she wins.

But this thread is deep-filled with delicious ironies waiting to be discovered.

Nobody wins, and if she comes back because you let her, you should give her freepass and start all over again. Nothing good will come out of starting ripping up in what happened. You will know soon enough anyway where the land is placed, and where you are standing.

Just my two cents, or just forget about it

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Nothing good will come out of starting ripping up in what happened.

I do need to know the truth about what she did these last 10 days. That's not negotiable.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You will know soon enough anyway where the land is placed, and where you are standing.

I'm not so sure. Right now her head and heart are battling it out. Her head saying "Start a new life in Chonburi, far away from this cheating old Farang, and build your own life, work." whilst her heart is saying "You had such good milk at this guy's place, I think he does love me, even if he's a player. Maybe give him another chance".

Whether she comes back, as she claims she will could depend on how she feels on any given day, as her real interest has obviously gone down now and she's far away. I can do nothing, not even call her, hardly text her, to sway her.

And I think in 2 weeks without much contact, it is inevitable that her interest will fall even further. So she may not even come back.

People say absence makes the heart grow fonder. But the opposite can also happen.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Unfortunately, it's not. She's done certain things in the last 10 days that require some investigation to establish what really happened. That's just obvious.

Again we do not know to what extent she was dishonest.

Look, there is a difference in quality in telling a white lie about where you are, and lying about doing reverse cowgirl with a guy from Estonia. We don't know what she did exactly.

I'm not trying to "force" anything. I'm just trying to establish exactly what she did. The veracity of what she claimed, and what she did in the last 10 days. This is a sensible thing to do.

Don't.

At the moment, whatever we tell you seems totally crazy. That's okay. It's just the state you are in. We are teaching you how to learn to calm down.

Listen to what we are telling you and you'll have a closer relationship with this girl.....but that is what you are really scared of here, isn't it?

You are in a total panic. When you are in a panic, you can make rash decisions, that can change the course of your life.

If you want to have a better relationship with this girl, let it go. Do some meditation or whatever to calm yourself. If you love someone...set them free. If they want to stay with you, they will.

Not everyone wants to live like a bird in a cage. Does anyone? Think about it...

Set her free and love her anyway.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I do need to know the truth about what she did these last 10 days. That's not negotiable.

I'm not so sure. Right now her head and heart are battling it out. Her head saying "Start a new life in Chonburi, far away from this cheating old Farang, and build your own life, work." whilst her heart is saying "You had such good milk at this guy's place, I think he does love me, even if he's a player. Maybe give him another chance".

Whether she comes back, as she claims she will could depend on how she feels on any given day, as her real interest has obviously gone down now and she's far away. I can do nothing, not even call her, hardly text her, to sway her.

And I think in 2 weeks without much contact, it is inevitable that her interest will fall even further. So she may not even come back.

People say absence makes the heart grow fonder. But the opposite can also happen.

Utter madness...you imagining that you know what she is thinking. You are basing your actions on what you think that she might be thinking.

Why not just let her BE?

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

If you love someone...set them free. If they want to stay with you, they will.

Not everyone wants to live like a bird in a cage. Does anyone? Think about it...

Set her free and love her anyway.

Nobody is forcing her to text me.

Nobody is forcing her to say she'll be coming to Chiang Mai in February.

Nobody is forcing her to say she misses me.

Nobody is making a cage, I'm just going to establish what happened in the last 10 days. What she did. That's all.

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Why not just let her BE?

She keeps texting me.

She wants contact.

She sends me videos of the two us from CM.

She's not letting me be.

I had some fun with it.

I deleted a text.

She sent four question marks. Then protested "What did you delete"?

I replied "Just some questions, you didn't bother to read them for 3 hours and half, so I lost interest in what the answer may be".

Now I'll leave her on read for a few hours when she replies.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Not just that, but she has a history of this. She also claimed after the Austrian and her had a falling out, she thought he was playing on the side, so she had sex with two other guys herself. And then me.

So she' cheated on every single boyfriend she ever had, before me.

I view humans as similar to Bonobos, always built for cheating and sex. Nevertheless, people can change and act right. If she acts right, it's fine. If she cheated and lied about it, obviously she has to go.

Hire and fire. See what they do.

Humans aren't cheaters per se. Cheaters are. If they cheat before, they'll usually cheat again, but not always. The only history you know about this girl is what she said, which could be all truths, all lies or a combination of both. With you not knowing what is what. If you were exclusive and she and you both had this pact, and she was with another man, she cheated. if no pact was made, she was just going from you to another man, like millions do.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

She can erase convos. She can't erase her banking app. If you see some transfer from some Farang for 10,000 baht, 20000 baht you know what's up. You can also see if she was in Chonburi or Pattaya or Bangkok or where.

Yes, which is why I'm going to give her the chance to tell the truth, and uncover the truth. So she can be trusted. See what I mean?

No, I go on evidence, see. I check the phone. When confronted with the evidence themselves, they then confess.

But again, you have no business going into her bank. That's her business. Doing this shows her you don't trust her, and again, that is something people don't like, and she will leave. Either right away, or if her integrity is low, after she gets more money from you and gets bored. Giving her the "chance" to tell the truth shows again you don't trust her.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

She can erase convos. She can't erase her banking app. If you see some transfer from some Farang for 10,000 baht, 20000 baht you know what's up. You can also see if she was in Chonburi or Pattaya or Bangkok or where.

Yes, which is why I'm going to give her the chance to tell the truth, and uncover the truth. So she can be trusted. See what I mean?

No, I go on evidence, see. I check the phone. When confronted with the evidence themselves, they then confess.

Money can be sent via Western Union no need to use banking app

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Nobody wins,

I've already won.

I had 40 days of emotional, physical and sexual nirvana the likes of which I never experienced in the last 10 years of marriage, with a true baddie.

I never had a baddie, only regular girls really. But a real baddie is something else. Exhilirating.

It helped me to further refine what I'm looking for in women. What's possible. What's out there. Phuket girl trumped all other girls I've met from the TF pool, she was head and shoulders above all of them.

There's a still a chance she may come back. Or it could be that she decides not to. Either way I win. in the latter case she's unreliable and it's better to be shot of unreliable women. In the former case it'll be built better in 2.0.

So I can't lose really.