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Just now, IsmeUno said:

So you failed to find a decent woman due to your own ego. You allowed yourself to be flattered and manipulated by those unsuitable women. Boohoo...it's all their fault, not ever yours.

How come it didn't happen to me? Do you think that I don't meet attractive women? The difference is how I behave towards them, isn't it?

Another teenage assumption. Were you there in my other 90 relationships where we both were there for just the physical, or went our separate ways because one of us was looking for different future plans?

None of us knows how you are with women. You are obviously a nutcase who assumes things about people you've never met, then turns things they do say around to make yourself feel better. That's that narcissistic behavior you exhibit. If you act this way with women I feel very sorry for them, and please don't have any children for their sake.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Another teenage assumption. Were you there in my other 90 relationships where we both were there for just the physical, or went our separate ways because one of us was looking for different future plans? None of us knows how you are with women. You are obviously a nutcase who assumes things about people you've never met, then turns things they do say around to make yourself feel better. that's that narcissistic behavior you exhibit. If you act this way with women I feel very sorry for them, and please don't have any children for their sake.

Now I'm a teenager?

Is this how you behave with your partners? Abuse them when they have a different take on things?

You can protest as much as you like. We see your behaviour here almost every day. We know what you are like, rather than just what you tell us.

You had 90 relationships just for the physical and some others that were for the attraction, wherein you had children with unsuitable women who ended up being brought up by a domineering father. Depressing.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

Now I'm a teenager?

Is this how you behave with your partners? Abuse them when they have a different take on things?

You can protest as much as you like. We see your behaviour here almost every day. We know what you are like, rather than just what you tell us.

You had 90 relationships just for the physical and some other that were for the attraction, wherein you had children with unsuitable women who ended up being brought up by a domineering father. Depressing.

I'm asking you the same question, as everyone here has seen what I've said about how I treat my women and children. We again know nothing about you besides how you assume things, and also how you turn the truth around. That's a mental issue. Conversational narcissism, and you'll never get any better but worse.

You know nothing about me besides what I've said here, and it seems you act exactly the way those other 4 do here, and everyone here can't stand you because of it. There is no "we" here regarding what you say. there is only you and those few, and you're all very disturbed individuals. Don't lump any of the normal members here into your realm of madness.

You're too dense to see that almost everything you say is an assumption. that shows a severe lack of basic intelligence and a go towards attitude. Also too stupid to see you aren't enlisting others in your insanity but letting them see the real you. I've been totally honest here. That you turn that around shows your personality type. Keep it up and a mod will soon be around. I'm done bickering with the likes of a sociopath.

Remember there's only 5 here that act like you do, and funny thing, your reputation is exactly the same as theirs, and everyone knows it. I'm not arguing with anyone else, and neither are they.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm asking you the same question, as everyone here has seen what I've said about how I treat my women and children. We again know nothing about you besides how you assume things, and also how you turn the truth around. That's a mental issue. Conversational narcissism, and you'll never get any better but worse.

You know nothing about me besides what I've said here, and it seems you act exactly the way those other 4 do here, and everyone here can't stand you because of it. There is no "we" here regarding what you say. there is only you and those few, and you're all very disturbed individuals. Don't lump any of the normal members here into your realm of madness.

You're too dense to see that almost everything you say is an assumption. that shows a severe lack of basic intelligence and a go towards attitude. Also too stupid to see you aren't enlisting others in your insanity but letting them see the real you. I've been totally honest here. That you turn that around shows your personality type. Keep it up and a mod will soon be around. I'm done bickering with the likes of a sociopath.

Meltdown...

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, lets look at you, which is exactly why I've done this every time. You start out asking a question, then go onto the assuming and thinking I was the one at fault, being the "common denominator". You weren't there, and are quite the moron thinking you can judge my life.

Your words, seeing you may have already forgotten, "Hmmm....so many women not wanting the job when with you, to the point of giving up the children to get away from you? That's three times. Does it not occur to you that it might be something that you are doing?"

I most certainly believe that your behaviour had an overwhelming effect on the outcome of your relationships.

You are the common denominator. Should we ignore that fact?

Successful relationships ensue when you get to know the person with whom you are spending your time and learn to work with them. When you have a character who insists they are always right and becomes abusive and insulting when they cannot get their own way, that's going to be an issue in any relationship.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

I most certainly believe that your behaviour had an overwhelming effect on the outcome of your relationships.

You are the common denominator. Should we ignore that fact?

Successful relationships ensue when you get to know the person with whom you are spending your time and learn to work with them. When you have a character who insists they are always right and becomes abusive and insulting when they cannot get their own way, that's going to be an issue in any relationship.

Either show me where I've said I was always right or shut the hell up. You're a trolling gnat, equally as annoying, and only have this on your mind. You aren't here to help but antagonize. You've been proven wrong every time yet are too dense to use restraint.

You were not there, so only a moron would comment.

There is no WE. You are one of the few here that isn't here to do anything but troll others. You feed on this, as you obviously weren't taught well by your "parents".

I'm not abusive towards anyone here. I call out, and point out, obvious childish and narcissistic behavior, so others here won't be suckered into your little petulant world. You are one of the 5 usual miscreants that obviously has nothing going on in their lives so has to try and downgrade others who are plainly better humans. This is exactly how a narcissist works, and you've been busted all along.

NowNow, BatteringRam, JakeC, NextG, Ninja, among others, and now IsmeUno. Too stupid to see you're transparent in your actions. And too disturbed to do the right thing, deleting your membership here because WE all know all about you and how you act.

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Either show me where I've said I was always right or shut the hell up. You're a trolling gnat, equally as annoying, and only have this on your mind. You aren't here to help but antagonize. You've been proven wrong every time yet are too dense to use restraint.

You were not there, so only a moron would comment.

There is no WE. You are one of the few here that isn't here to do anything but troll others. You feed on this, as you obviously weren't taught well by your "parents".

I'm not abusive towards anyone here. I call out, and point out, obvious childish and narcissistic behavior, so others here won't be suckered into your little petulant world. You are one of the 5 usual miscreants that obviously has nothing going on in their lives so has to try and downgrade others who are plainly better humans. This is exactly how a narcissist works, and you've been busted all along.

NowNow, BatteringRam, JakeC, NextG, Ninja, among others, and now IsmeUno. Too stupid to see you're transparent in your actions. And too disturbed to do the right thing, deleting your membership here because WE all know all about you and how you act.

I don't need to go through your posts to remind anyone of your penchant for pretending that you aren't ever wrong. You claim to have proven wrong everyone with whom you've had a discussion. It's common knowledge. You've done it again in this post I have quoted. Ill behaviour.

That you would now try to pretend that is not the case with you, is simply mind boggling.

As to your claim of not being abusive to anyone here, I have highlighted a few examples above. If that is you not being abusive, then how does it look when you are being abusive? I feel sorry for the children, as they had no choice in the matter.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

I don't need to go through your posts to remind anyone of your penchant for pretending that you aren't ever wrong. You claim to have proven wrong everyone with whom you've had a discussion. It's common knowledge. You've done it again in this post I have quoted. Ill behaviour.

That you would now try to pretend that is not the case with you, is simply mind boggling.

As to your claim of not being abusive to anyone here, I have highlighted a few examples above. If that is you not being abusive, then how does it look when you are being abusive. I feel sorry for the children, as they had no choice.

No, you have never and will never prove me wrong. I have never said I'm always right to anyone else but in your case I've never been wrong. There again is no "we" regarding you or anyone else here besides those other 4 or so just like you. Those other 4 act just like you. Lack of intelligence, common sense, restraint and a basic always go to assuming behavior.

Repeat this one line over and over until it sinks in----You do not know anything about anyone on earth besides what they tell you, and turning anything they say around without any evidence is gaslighting narcissistic behavior taught in childhood.

You will never accept the fact that you are a very disturbed individual so there's no reason to continue. I've called you out, so now everyone will be aware of your actions here, so you either need to really change your approach towards others here or just leave. It's not abuse defending yourself against people who act like asses.

All my children are doing well, as this one also will, because they have a responsible father who has their best interests at heart. This again is something you will never understand, as your mind doesn't work that way. You are plainly an inferior being, and aren't smart enough to understand you've been busted.

Gaslighting doesn't work much here, especially seeing you aren't bright enough to change your behavior, even though you change your usernames trying to hide. You lost as NowNow arguing with me about pizza over a year ago, so grow up and act like the middle aged adult you are instead of a hell bent teenager against their peers.

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, you have never and will never prove me wrong. I have never said I'm always right to anyone else but in your case I've never been wrong. There again is no "we" regarding you or anyone else here besides those other 4 or so just like you. Those other 4 act just like you. Lack of intelligence, common sense, restraint and a basic always go to assuming behavior.

Repeat this one line over and over until it sinks in----You do not know anything about anyone on earth besides what they tell you, and turning anything they say around without any evidence is gaslighting narcissistic behavior taught in childhood.

You will never accept the fact that you are a very disturbed individual so there's no reason to continue. I've called you out, so now everyone will be aware of your actions here, so you either need to really change your approach towards others here or just leave. It's not abuse defending yourself against people who act like asses.

All my children are doing well, as this one also will, because they have a responsible father who has their best interests at heart. This again is something you will never understand, as your mind doesn't work that way. You are plainly an inferior being, and aren't smart enough to understand you've been busted.

Gaslighting doesn't work much here, especially seeing you aren't bright enough to change your behavior, even though you change your usernames trying to hide. You lost as NowNow arguing with me about pizza over a year ago, so grow up and act like the middle aged adult you are instead of a hell bent teenager against their peers.

If there are four more, then it's 'we', isn't it? So you are abusing five people because they see things differently from the way that you try to present them.

If you truly believe "You do not know anything about anyone on earth besides what they tell you, and turning anything they say around without any evidence is gaslighting narcissistic behavior taught in childhood.", then why are you making pronouncements about five people whom you haven't met? Are you a hypocrite @fredwiggy or are your manipulations not working out in the way that you hoped?

So now you are 'calling me out'...telling me that I should either behave in the way that you want me to behave...or I should just leave. 😊 Q.E.D. It's what I've been alluding to all along. This is obviously the way that you behaved with your partners behind closed doors. Old habits die hard.

Your stories of being an empath are all just the product of a manipulative mind.

I too had a girlfriend who seemed really nice when she thought people were looking, but she was INSANELY jealous.

You try to put up a front, but your real character is shown over time. Your words are just what you want us to believe. Your behaviour shows us what you really are.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

If there are four more, then it's 'we', isn't it? So you are abusing five people because they see things differently from the way that you try to present them.

If you truly believe "You do not know anything about anyone on earth besides what they tell you, and turning anything they say around without any evidence is gaslighting narcissistic behavior taught in childhood.", then why are you making pronouncements about five people whom you haven't met? Are you a hypocrite @fredwiggy or are your manipulations not working out in the way that you hoped?

So now you are 'calling me out'...telling me that I should either behave in the way that you want me to behave...or I should just leave. 😊 Q.E.D. It's what I've been alluding to all along. This is obviously the way that you behaved with your partners behind closed doors. Old habits die hard.

You stories of being an empath are all just the product of a manipulative mind.

That you keep coming back after being called out, proven wrong on all counts, and still assuming, shows a severe lack of common sense. Too ignorant to quit and every reply is much the same.

I only go by how people act here on a continuous basis to judge them. When it's all the time, it's a habit, and unlikely to change, especially seeing basic character doesn't change much at all after your 30's.

You again have no idea how I behaved besides what I've said. That you can't believe this or turn it around shows either that gaslighting behavior, or a complete lack of knowledge about people, women in particular, and just how many are lunatics. All I can say, is either educate yourself a lot more before you post, or don't comment unless you have evidence, of which you have none.

Men who treat women well, even if they're not treated in kind, take responsibility for their children, including getting custody of all of them, love animals and treat them well, and actually stay in a country they don't like until I can bring my daughter out to a much better place, is the actions of an empathic demeanor. That you still can't see this shows that lack of education, or that narcissistic tendency, or both, which is a lot more likely. Give it a rest, as making you out the fool is too easy.

I think you don't realize again, that this is an adult forum, and many are laughing at you, including the ones I talk to on the phone. People might think I'm stubborn or a tad arrogant, but defending my position is necessary, as Americans don't back down to anyone, especially when they're in the wrong.

What I fully understand, is that most people here are intelligent middle aged or older, that have been around a long time, so I'm not doing anything to manipulate but to point out your type, which fool others, at least for awhile, just like my ex fooled me for awhile before I saw past the red flags and divorced her.

One thing you either keep forgetting, or dismissing because it's YOU, is that my ex still wants to come back to me, so I must have treated her well, even though she recently married another, knowing he isn't enough like me, and that her own mother told my girlfriend her daughter was wrong.

And "abusing" the five or so here isn't abuse but a necessary evil, as your kind tends to fool others, at least for awhile, unless they are like me and research about your kind, and point them out, then avoid.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That you keep coming back after being called out, proven wrong on all counts, and still assuming, shows a severe lack of common sense. Too ignorant to quit and every reply is much the same.

I only go by how people act here on a continuous basis to judge them. When it's all the time, it's a habit, and unlikely to change, especially seeing basic character doesn't change much at all after your 30's.

You again have no idea how I behaved besides what I've said. That you can't believe this or turn it around shows either that gaslighting behavior, or a complete lack of knowledge about people, women in particular, and just how many are lunatics. All I can say, is either educate yourself a lot more before you post, or don't comment unless you have evidence, of which you have none.

Men who treat women well, even if they're not treated in kind, take responsibility for their children, including getting custody of all of them, love animals and treat them well, and actually stay in a country they don't like until I can bring my daughter out to a much better place, is the actions of an empathic demeanor. That you still can't see this shows that lack of education, or that narcissistic tendency, or both, which is a lot more likely. Give it a rest, as making you out the fool is too easy.

I think you don't realize again, that this is an adult forum, and many are laughing at you, including the ones I talk to on the phone. People might think I'm stubborn or a tad arrogant, but defending my position is necessary, as Americans don't back down to anyone, especially when they're in the wrong.

What I fully understand, is that most people here are intelligent middle aged or older, that have been around a long time, so I'm not doing anything to manipulate but to point out your type, which fool others, at least for awhile, just like my ex fooled me for awhile before I saw past the red flags and divorced her.

And "abusing" the five or so here isn't abuse but a necessary evil, as your kind tends to fool others, at least for awhile, unless they are like me and research about your kind, and point them out, then avoid.

Hey Freddy, I'm not siding with the person(s) you are arguing with but any conversation with you becomes futile if there is the tiniest of a disagreement. I realized this 6 months ago and stop interacting once you got upset.

BTW, that statement about Americans never admitting fault is blatantly false. It is better to realize you're wrong than being right. You don't get this and just double down and rant. I'm done - I know you will give this zero consideration...

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

Hey Freddy, I'm not siding with the person(s) you are arguing with but any conversation with you becomes futile if there is the tiniest of a disagreement. I realized this 6 months ago and stop interacting once you got upset.

BTW, that statement about Americans never admitting fault is blatantly false. It is better to realize you're wrong than being right. You don't get this and just double down and rant. I'm done - I know you will give this zero consideration...

I'm just doing this so others won't be suckered into his nonsense, and see him for what he is. I could ignore and leave it at that, but I don't like lies or exaggerations said about me, as I've learned to be a certain way towards women and children and won't let anyone take that away. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I don't lie or exaggerate here.

I didn't mean Americans don't admit fault. We never give in. Especially when in the right and it involves family. I will always be civil with those civil with me. I'm not near that arrogant as there are other sides.

People who assume things after being told the facts and turn them around are not welcome here.

31 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That you keep coming back after being called out, proven wrong on all counts, and still assuming, shows a severe lack of common sense. Too ignorant to quit and every reply is much the same.

Called out? It's you being 'called out' 😊 That's why you are mad. Totally freaking out that people can see you as you are and not how you want them to see you. Panicking, even.

Every word you write, applies to you.

31 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I only go by how people act here on a continuous basis to judge them. When it's all the time, it's a habit, and unlikely to change, especially seeing basic character doesn't change much at all after your 30's.

In that case you should not be upset about people using the same criteria to judge you.

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You again have no idea how I behaved besides what I've said. That you can't believe this or turn it around shows either that gaslighting behavior, or a complete lack of knowledge about people, women in particular, and just how many are lunatics. All I can say, is either educate yourself a lot more before you post, or don't comment unless you have evidence, of which you have none.

Indeed, what you have said and the way that you have expressed it, says enough about you.

33 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Men who treat women well, even if they're not treated in kind, take responsibility for their children, including getting custody of all of them, love animals and treat them well, and actually stay in a country they don't like until I can bring my daughter out to a much better place, is the actions of an empathic demeanor. That you still can't see this shows that lack of education, or that narcissistic tendency, or both, which is a lot more likely. Give it a rest, as making you out the fool is too easy.

Did you treat them well?

You divorced them and took their kids away. From the evidence of your behaviour here, you didn't treat them well, at all. You might have given them money, but that's not enough.

35 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I think you don't realize again, that this is an adult forum, and many are laughing at you, including the ones I talk to on the phone. People might think I'm stubborn or a tad arrogant, but defending my position is necessary, as Americans don't back down to anyone, especially when they're in the wrong.

No one is laughing AT me. Maybe you are laughing hysterically at yourself.

36 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

One thing you either keep forgetting, or dismissing because it's YOU, is that my ex still wants to come back to me, so I must have treated her well, even though she recently married another, knowing he isn't enough like me, and that her own mother told my girlfriend her daughter was wrong.

That's your story. I'd like to hear her side.

36 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And "abusing" the five or so here isn't abuse but a necessary evil, as your kind tends to fool others, at least for awhile, unless they are like me and research about your kind, and point them out, then avoid

At least now you admit to the abuse and your being 'evil'.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm just doing this so others won't be suckered into his nonsense, and see him for what he is. I could ignore and leave it at that, but I don't like lies or exaggerations said about me, as I've learned to be a certain way towards women and children and won't let anyone take that away. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I don't lie or exaggerate here. I didn't mean Americans don't admit fault. We never give in. Especially when in the right and it involves family. I will always be civil with those civil with me. I'm not near that arrogant as there are other sides. People who assume things after being told the facts and turn them around are not welcome here.

Does this make it six people worthy of your abuse now?

I mean, he just confirmed exactly what I've just been asserting about your behaviour. So is he lying or exaggerating or it is just you who is refusing to acknowledge that you have serious faults?

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The allowance part is purely incidental. It's not central to this story in any way.

How incidental it is in your case—you can easily figure it out if you stop paying. (To be fair—stop paying only everything exceeding normal daily needs.)

I think a lot in this thread comes down to the difference between cultures and how relationships are seen. While morality in Western cultures is rather black/white/good/bad, defined by the ideology of the Catholic Church, cultures in Asia took a rather different path. Instead of “sex is sin” and romantic Minnesang, there are many grey tones—and many things seem to have a far more pragmatic and materialistic approach.

A very formative and educational 2 year relationship started for me a while after I moved to Asia for work. I was about 30 and met this Chinese lady at a function, a friend of an acquaintance. She was a couple of years younger, looked stunning in her qipao, spoke good English, and was fun to chat with. Turned out she studied hotel management at one of the large hotels in the area. Determined, ambitious aims.

We met up another couple of times and baaang—there was her first very pragmatic offer: She apparently had problems with her dormitory and wanted to move out. She came straight to the point: “Can I move in with you?”

Hmm, I loved my single life and had just ended a sex-driven relationship with a very intense Indian lady because she started to hang her dresses in my wardrobe. Anyway, this Chinese girl seemed decent enough, alluring, so to my own surprise I said, “OK, but in my apartment there is only one double bed.”

She smiled.

Apparently, I was her first. The start was rather delicate, but then the first weeks were amazing. I could not wish for a better girlfriend. I drove her to her school, picked her up whenever possible, introduced her to my friends and colleagues, went out for nice meals, concerts, theater etc. — no warning signs at all. Pure happiness, marriage material.

But then the transactional phase started. Sometime—while cleaning—she found my pay slips and then knew exactly how much I earned.

Expectations grew.

Mostly expensive cosmetics (SK-II was very popular at the time), brand clothes, bags, etc.

Of course, I already paid all daily expenditures and was fine with it—she being a student and me the earner. But expensive branded stuff on a regular basis? I did not like it but went along, mostly because of laziness, avoiding confrontation, keeping harmony. Having a live-in girlfriend had its perks: she did the chores, sex was great, life was comfortable, she was good company, and I genuinely liked her. And I could afford it.

But with time, money got more and more important for her. She mentioned friends of hers, also in the hotel management class, who by now had Chinese sugar daddies, receiving high allowances, expensive gifts, even a car. I told her straight away she was free to go look for better options.

She stayed.

Over the months more details came to light. She had already worked for several years in Beijing as an F&B manager at an exclusive golf club—hence the expensive taste. Apparently, she met someone there who liked her and sponsored her studies. He was already married, treated her like a daughter, so no option. She always maintained she had never slept with anybody before me. I did not really care, but it seemed important to her.

In the end I agreed to a monthly allowance/salary (about 400 USD at the time) so she had her own money. She, on the other hand, became moodier and bossier by the day, even misbehaving during a (not easy to arrange) trip to Germany, to introduce her to my parents.

At the latest from this moment I knew that I had been wrong with my first assessment re marriage material.

It did not last long after that. Her studies finished, so did her visa. She probably was waiting for me to marry her, or at least pay for further studies. But I did not, so she had to leave the country. Elegant solution. Crocodile tears at the airport.

In the aftermath I talked to a mutual Chinese friend about all this. He told me how devastated she was about the breakup. When I told him about all the problems and that I had warned her many times regarding the bad and bossy behaviour, he said: “Chinese women are often strong and want control. You gave her all those gifts and the allowance. For her that was affirmation you love her.”

Money = Love , Boom. all my fault then 🙄

Just a reminder how different things can look from a different cultural perspective.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Called out? It's you being 'called out' 😊 That's why you are mad. Totally freaking out that people can see you as you are and not how you want them to see you. Panicking, even.

Every word you write, applies to you.

In that case you should not be upset about people using the same criteria to judge you.

Indeed, what you have said and the way that you have expressed it, says enough about you.

Did you treat them well?

You divorced them and took their kids away. From the evidence of your behaviour here, you didn't treat them well, at all. You might have given them money, but that's not enough.

No one is laughing AT me. Maybe you are laughing hysterically at yourself.

That's your story. I'd like to hear her side.

At least now you admit to the abuse and your being 'evil'.

You trying to think I'm a certain way isn't calling me out. You aren't stable nor qualified to judge anyone. You assume things and turn the truth told around. This is your problem.

I'm not near mad, as I'm actually laughing with a few others here, on the phone. We know who you are and how you act, and it's rather amusing.

Freaking out in written words? Kinda overkill isn't that?

Again, your judging me means absolutely nothing, as you're a very disturbed troll that needs to bolster his low self esteem, trying to bring others down to your level. and that doesn't work here.

Funny that no one else here has mentioned that I might have treated the women wrong, as most men know full well the evil that occurs in many women. Why would I mention anything about me unless it's true? What would I have to gain? That it's always you and those other few that constantly twist things around is blatantly obvious, as no one else is.

My behavior towards everyone else here is fine. Arguing a point isn't abusive but a discussion with facts and opinions, and some just know more than others about certain things. This is why I won't argue things I know little about,a s there's no point. You and those few do this, because it's called trolling.

I divorced them and took the kids because it's what a responsible father does.

I've always treated women well, as I was taught that young, and learned more reading those books and articles. A man doesn't read all this about how to treat women to hurt them in any way, but to learn how to communicate and listen. I've never been a player, as that's not my mentality, women being equal.

The people I've been talking to that come here, on the phone, are indeed laughing at you and those other few. They have your number also.

Calling you and them out isn't abuse but necessary, as people like you are abusive towards others, it being your way, and the faster you are pointed out, the quicker you're avoided in the future. Guess you haven't figured out what necessary evil means. Just like any conflict against evil.

Again, this isn't making me mad but amused, as I've known your kind many decades.

15 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Does this make it six people worthy of your abuse now?

I mean, he just confirmed exactly what I've just been asserting about your behaviour. So is he lying or exaggerating or it is just you who is refusing to acknowledge that you have serious faults?

He isn't and hasn't been a problem like you and your troupe. Disagreeing with him or others because we're both thinking differently isn't the same as assuming about others and then insulting them. I don't assume. You are what you are, and it's obvious to anyone who understands your type and agenda. Troll, the word, is there for a reason. What you're doing is nothing like what he just said. Everyone has some faults, but you top the list.

Now stay away from my replies to Cameroni as they both have nothing to do with you, and you haven't anything better to do but sidetrack this because it's me, and because of our history.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You trying to think I'm a certain way isn't calling me out. You aren't stable nor qualified to judge anyone. You assume things and turn the truth told around. This is your problem.

If you are doing the same thing, does that mean it's your problem?

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm not near mad, as I'm actually laughing with a few others here, on the phone. We know who you are and how you act, and it's rather amusing.

Laughing whilst ranting and abusing? Sounds...insane.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Freaking out in written words? Kinda overkill isn't that?

Yes, when nearly 50% of what you write are attempts at abusive insults, that would appear to be abnormal, somewhat extreme behaviour. Maybe it's normal for you.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, your judging me means absolutely nothing, as you're a very disturbed troll that needs to bolster his low self esteem, trying to bring others down to your level. and that doesn't work here.

More attempts at abusive insults...

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Funny that no one else here has mentioned that I might have treated the women wrong, as most men know full well the evil that occurs in many women. Why would I mention anything about me unless it's true? What would I have to gain? That it's always you and those other few that constantly twist things around is blatantly obvious, as no one else is.

A few have suggested it, but you just become defensive and abusive. You mention what you think makes you look good and sympathetic. It's not truth, only your perception of what happens. When anyone asks about your specific behaviour, you get mad and start throwing out abuse.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I divorced them and took the kids because it's what a responsible father does.

Really?

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I've always treated women well, as I was taught that young, and learned more reading those books and articles. A man doesn't read all this about how to treat women to hurt them in any way, but to learn how to communicate and listen. I've never been a player, as that's not my mentality, women being equal.

Your record shows otherwise.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The people I've been talking to that come here, on the phone, are indeed laughing at you and those other few. They have your number also.

Unlike yourself, I am not concerned about what you say that other people are doing.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Calling you and them out isn't abuse but necessary, as people like you are abusive towards others, it being your way, and the faster you are pointed out, the quicker you're avoided in the future. Guess you haven't figured out what necessary evil means. Just like any conflict against evil.

So your abuse isn't abuse, but 'necessary' 😊

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, this isn't making me mad bu amused, as I've known your kind many decades.

So your disgusting behaviour here is just an amusement for yourself?

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

If you are doing the same thing, does that mean it's your problem?

Laughing whilst ranting and abusing? Sounds...insane.

Yes, when nearly 50% of what you write are attempts at abusive insults, that would appear to be abnormal, somewhat extreme behaviour. Maybe it's normal for you.

More attempts at abusive insults...

A few have suggested it, but you just become defensive and abusive. You mention what you think makes you look good and sympathetic. It's not truth, only your perception of what happens. When anyone asks about your specific behaviour, you get mad and start throwing out abuse.

Really?

Your record shows otherwise.

Unlike yourself, I am not concerned about what you say that other people are doing.

So your abuse isn't abuse, but 'necessary' 😊

So your disgusting behaviour here is just an amusement for yourself?

If you and those other 5 didn't come here to troll, the forum would be better period. laughing at the weirdos is what everyone does, and it is amusing. Assuming a 50% shows you aren't looking at 99% of my replies here.

I talk to you like i do, along with those other 5, because you deserve it. You act like morons, assuming things about people you don't know, and again, TURNING WHAT THEY DO SAY AROUND.

No one else has suggested I have treated any woman badly, especially after I again, came forward when i didn't need to, being an honest man, and told things exactly how they happened. That you and those few can't understand this shows that deflecting behavior, along with possible jealousy, as you might not like to hear that men look at women as equals, and likely don't know how to treat a woman right, because abusers lie. and their women are also afraid to come forward out of fear.

Yes, taking the children away from abusive, neglective "mothers' is exactly what a good father does. I guess you don't have any children or experience with them.

Where does my "record" show that I haven't treated women well? Wouldn't that only be God's knowledge? Another idiotic assumption.

My behavior here isn't disgusting. That you, a disturbed narcissist, takes offense means nothing, as you and your kind mean nothing. The reason the world is so messed up is people like you. My conscience, especially towards women and children, is clear, as I've always treated them with love, care and responsibility. That you assume different is your craziness, because again, you weren't there.

Any more of your idiotic replies further proves my point, as a narcissist doesn't like to be pointed out to others. That's why I said just to go away. It's an anonymous forum and hopefully for their sake, no one actually will meet you or your kind in person. Toxic people aren't necessary in the grand scheme of things.

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

He isn't and hasn't been a problem like you and your troupe. Disagreeing with him or others because we're both thinking differently isn't the same as assuming about others and then insulting them. I don't assume. You are what you are, and it's obvious to anyone who understands your type and agenda. Troll, the word, is there for a reason.

My troupe? Who are they? 😊 I guess that why you have invented your phone 'friends', so you can have your own 'troupe' 😊

There's always a chance that I could be wrong. But the evidence of your behaviour is plain for all to see. If someone doesn't agree with you, you become abusive and bear a grudge. Chances are that behaviour pervaded your close relationships. How could it not?

The fact that you cannot acknowledge what for everyone else is plain to see, only serves to confirm my educated guess. You cannot fix what you don't even acknowledge. So you likely have been behaving that way the whole time. Poor women and poor your family.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Were you there in my other 90 relationships where we both were there for just the physical, or went our separate ways because one of us was looking for different future plans?

90 relationships ......... You're going straight to hell dude!

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

My troupe? Who are they? 😊 I guess that why you have invented your phone 'friends', so you can have your own 'troupe' 😊

There's always a chance that I could be wrong. But the evidence of your behaviour is plain for all to see. If someone doesn't agree with you, you become abusive and bear a grudge. Chances are that behaviour pervaded your close relationships. How could it not?

The fact that you cannot acknowledge what for everyone else is plain to see, only serves to confirm my educated guess. You cannot fix what you don't even acknowledge. So you likely have been behaving that way the whole time. Poor women and poor your family.

Keep it up, as every word further buries you. My bickering with you has a reason. Your replies are helping my cause. Eventually everyone will know what you are and avoid you.

Again, there isn't an everyone or we. There is only you and those other 5, all of which have such a great reputation here. Eventually I won't have to point you out and will just ignore you. Have you noticed how 7 people have always answered you? Funny you talk to them the same way you do me. I just go on a little more.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

90 relationships ......... You're going straight to hell dude!

I never hurt them. We either had a mutual physical relationship or we went our separate ways because we didn't have the same plans for life. Many wanted to stay but I'm not a user, so I broke it off because hurting a woman's feelings isn't something I intentionally do. God understands me as I've told him it was wrong to be physical with so many..

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you and those other 5 didn't come here to troll, the forum would be better period. laughing at the weirdos is what everyone does, and it is amusing. Assuming a 50% shows you aren't looking at 99% of my replies here.

I talk to you like i do, along with those other 5, because you deserve it. You act like morons, assuming things about people you don't know, and again, TURNING WHAT THEY DO SAY AROUND.

So now it's the other 5? Meaning that you now include @atpeace as a troll, including him in your abuse. Nice. A few minutes ago, you stated that he was not. Are you okay? You seem to lack stability.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No one else has suggested I have treated any woman badly, especially after I again, came forward when i didn't need to, being an honest man, and told things exactly how they happened. That you and those few can't understand this shows that deflecting behavior, along with possible jealousy, as you might not like to hear that men look at women as equals, and likely don't know how to treat a woman right, because abusers lie. and their women are also afraid to come forward out of fear.

It's okay, I can be the first. I suggest that you do, even if inadvertently, due to aspects of your behaviour that you cannot acknowledge.

The fact that you had children with them and then took their children away, doesn't seem like 'treating them well'.

If men and women are equals in your book, then why do you have to provide and give them money? Why don't they give you money? Of course you aren't equals.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, taking the children away from abusive, neglective "mothers' is exactly what a good father does. I guess you don't have any children or experience with them.

You seem abusive to me. What happens if your wife or children have another perspective? Do you acknowledge and respect that like you do here?

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Where does my "record" show that I haven't treated women well? Wouldn't that only be God's knowledge? Another idiotic assumption.

By what you have written and how you behave. You think that because you write something, it is interpreted in the way that you want it to be interpreted. That's not how it works. As an adult, you should understand that.

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

My behavior here isn't disgusting. That you, a disturbed narcissist, takes offense means nothing, as you and your kind mean nothing. The reason the world is so messed up is people like you.

In my world, you are.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

I never hurt them. We either had a mutual physical relationship or we went our separate ways because we didn't have the same plans for life. Many wanted to stay but I'm not a user, so I broke it off because hurting a woman's feelings isn't something I intentionally do. God understands me as I've told him it was wrong to be physical with so many..

So you say.

TBH the more you write, the more you come over as a bit of a psychopath.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Keep it up, as every word further buries you. My bickering with you has a reason. Your replies are helping my cause. Eventually everyone will know what you are and avoid you.

Again, there isn't an everyone or we. There is only you and those other 5, all of which have such a great reputation here. Eventually I won't have to point you out and will just ignore you. Have you noticed how 7 people have always answered you? Funny you talk to them the same way you do me. I just go on a little more.

You seem to be 'losing it'. pretending that this discussion is for a higher cause of your part. No, it isn't. It's to protect your ego 😊

No, I haven't noticed "how 7 people have always answered" me. That's to do with them, isn't it? I'm responsible for my behaviour and they are responsible for theirs. The 'crazies' get apoplectic because they try to control other people, whilst giving themselves a free ride. How's that working out for you?

Just now, IsmeUno said:

So now it's the other 5? Meaning that you now include @atpeace as a troll, including him in your abuse. Nice. A few minutes ago, you stated that he was not. Are you okay? You seem to lack stability.

It's okay, I can be the first. I suggest that you do, even if inadvertently, due to aspects of your behaviour that you cannot acknowledge.

The fact that you had children with them and then took their children away, doesn't seem like 'treating them well'.

If men and women are equals in your book, then why do you have to provide and give them money? Why don't they give you money? Of course you aren't equals.

You seem abusive to me. What happens if your wife or children have another perspective? Do you acknowledge and respect that like you do here?

By what you have written and how you behave. You think that because you write something, it is interpreted in the way that you want it to be interpreted. That's not how it works. As an adult, you should understand that.

In my world, you are.

Still having trouble comprehending I see. Maybe it's not only that you have those NPD tendencies but are just dense. This is where I say goodbye, and I did ask you to stay out of my business, as you're only a person who assumes and twists things around. Again that comes from a low self esteem, a conversational narcissist. You keep referring to a we. and again, the only we here are those others mentally disturbed just as you do.

I already said why I took the children from them, so that's another of your lost comprehensions.

I guess you never heard that many people treat others very well and get sh*t on. In fact, there are thousands of books written on the subject.One I mentioned I asked you to read up on is that covert narcissist, so go away for awhile and research, if you can comprehend that, before you come back once again with your childish drivel, as you aren't impressing anyone, and are just making yourself out to be more of a fool. People here aren't idiots.

I provide for my family. I help my girlfriend and family. Can you not understand this? I'm thinking you are a cheapskate and that woman you're with isn't very happy. I could assume like you do and say you're an abusive narcissist that likely has her living in fear, but I don't assume as I don't know anything about you than from what you've said here. Take a lesson from that.

Nothing I have written here would have any normal person thinking i was bad to any of the women in my life. This is why I talk to you like i do. You aren't normal.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Still having trouble comprehending I see. Maybe it's not only that you have those NPD tendencies but are just dense. This is where I say goodbye, and I did ask you to stay out of my business, as you're only a person who assumes and twists things around. Again that comes from a low self esteem, a conversational narcissist. You keep referring to a we. and again, the only we here are those others mentally disturbed just as you do.

I already said why I took the children from them, so that's another of your lost comprehensions.

I guess you never heard that many people treat others very well and get sh*t on. In fact, there are thousands of books written on the subject.One I mentioned I asked you to read up on is that covert narcissist, so go away for awhile and research, if you can comprehend that, before you come back once again with your childish drivel, as you aren't impressing anyone, and are just making yourself out to be more of a fool. People here aren't idiots.

I provide for my family. I help my girlfriend and family. Can you not understand this? I'm thinking you are a cheapskate and that woman you're with isn't very happy. I could assume like you do and say you're an abusive narcissist that likely has her living in fear, but I don't assume as I don't know anything about you than from what you've said here. Take a lesson from that.

Nothing I have written here would have any normal person thinking i was bad to any of the women in my life. This is why I talk to you like i do. You aren't normal.

Wow....😊

All I can add is that it's easy to find out the kind of person underneath, if you aren't just an arrogant, vain narcissist.

I don't do stupid things like create children due to 'attraction', without understanding how we might move forward as a unit, nor break up with 90 women and then claim that I didn't hurt any of their feelings. You are only digging a bigger hole for yourself, post by post.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You seem to be 'losing it'. pretending that this discussion is for a higher cause of your part. No, it isn't. It's to protect your ego 😊

No, I haven't noticed "how 7 people have always answered" me. That's to do with them, isn't it? I'm responsible for my behaviour and they are responsible for theirs. The 'crazies' get apoplectic because they try to control other people, whilst giving themselves a free ride. How's that working out for you?

I'm not losing anything, especially this argument. You assume. I go by facts. You turn things around . I tell the truth.

I have been in an actual family, with children. if you haven't any, you aren't qualified to comment on that.

People that look at their partners as equals and provide for them and help them aren't controllers.

I don't need to protect my ego. I'm fine, but you have shown a classic example of deflection and gaslighting, common traits of a narcissist.

I was treated well by my parents and taught respect. Obviously yours failed you in that regard.

Look back at all your replies from others, in this username and all the others. I see it every day. You act the same way towards them, thinking you're somehow superior, and they aren't in your league. Tell you what, no one wants to be in your league, as outcasts end up all alone.

Again, this is Cameroni's thread, so answer to him.

3 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Look at how you are become more irate and insulting, when you cannot manipulate people into agreeing with you.

You cannot accept any other perspective than your own, which I guess was a major factor in your failed relationships.

What comes around goes around comes to mind! What make you think you are better than anyone else? Seing your posts where you projecting your way in every posts, using Narcissists, psychopaths and every other label available and convenient for the moment. That gets me! Impressive 👏

how people live and spend their time as well finance their life as a couple seems so troubled for you, which have nothing with your life and wife or gf to do. other people choose different, and why not just respect that. Im not only thinking of the tread here, but in general. You always paint with a big large brush to try to make your dominance of what is right or wrong, and forget all the details leading to way people are just living their lives the best way the can with the resources they got.

Be a better man, and not just an A hole all the time.