2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I know, how can anyone like a "singer" with a face tattoo? She must have an inclination to the very wild, due to her ultra conservative Christian environment. Maybe she wants something wilder, more exciting?

She has you in  major tizzy. Funny as hell. Every single thing she does you are deeply analyzing, and really dont have a clue culturally. But at least you like to act it out for all of us to have a good laugh. 

 

For sure she has a semi wealthy Thai dude on the side. 

I'd sent a question to CM girl yesterday night, if she can relax, but she went to sleep and didn't answer. So she answered this morning that she went to bed early. 

 

All good, but then I saw this pic below on her Insta highlight reel. This is giving me a really bad feeling. Is this about me, because I bought her a 700 baht phone case? She knows I can see her reels. I am not loving this focus on money. It almost feels like she's saying "Happy to date you, but you better be generous".

 

Is it a new post from her?

hahahahaha, many thai "girls" are involved with more than one man, its part of their nature, they want to make sure they are getting enough money from them all, as soon as one is not at home they in bed with another elsewhere.

42 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Is this about me, because I bought her a 700 baht phone case?

 

Was she expecting an official Apple case? As these start at around ฿2k...

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Yesterday I had a bust up with Phuket girl.

 

Sorry, I don't have time to follow your saga.

But you seem deluded to me.

 

A 24 year old just hit me up on a dating app.

After only a few texts, she hit me up for a condo.

She said she knows a good 2 Million Baht Condo I could buy.

And she isn't the first.

 

Not sure what planet you are living in where flowers and restaurants with jazz music in the background and romance mean anything.

 

When there is a 25+ year age gap, they want property straight up.

The only reason they are getting hitched up with a much older guy is they know you're cashed up and they want to go for the kill ie securing property.

It ain't about romance.

 

Best of luck.

 

18 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

Was she expecting an official Apple case? As these start at around ฿2k...

Now there's a point I hadn't thought of, and a good test.

 

Better to test the waters with a 700 Baht iPhone case than to buy her a Corolla, thinking that's generous, only to get dumped because she was expecting a Benz.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

"Happy to date you, but you better be generous".

Massive ..... red ..... flag .....

55 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

Is it a new post from her?

 

That was something new she posted in her Insta highlights. She knows I can see those. There's three possibilities:

 

1)  The post is aimed at me, expressing her satisfaction that I was generous, but also making clear it's important to her that her man is generous.

 

2) The post is not aimed at me at all, but at her girlfriends, she's trying to flex that she has a man who delivers a phone case to her house as a gift

 

3) The post refers to another guy alltogether who is plying her with tons of cash.

 

Which one is most likely? I think 2.

1 hour ago, lamyai3 said:

 

Was she expecting an official Apple case? As these start at around ฿2k...

 

I was thinking that as well, but I had actually made sure before I go out to buy it if she had any preference "What kind of case do you like"? She replied she had no preference and it does NOT have to be mag safe specifically.

 

The one I got cost 900 actually but the guy gave it to me for 700. Because I said it's for a girl he gave me this glittery see-through  number with a purple hue. Thinking about it now, given her elegant understated dress sense, this may not have been the best choice.

 

However, I don't think the case type matters all that much. The important thing is that I got it, and I gave it to her. I will of course make sure to get her another case at the end of the month when it's her birthday anyway, just so she also has an elegant understated one, maybe Apple store.

 

But I was in a mad rush that day, because I had to get back to work, I couldn't really spend hours picking it out.

51 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

When there is a 25+ year age gap, they want property straight up.

The only reason they are getting hitched up with a much older guy is they know you're cashed up and they want to go for the kill ie securing property.

It ain't about romance.

 

Well, that's not true actually. Women really don't go for money alone, unless she's a whore. No girl ever said "he wears a Rolex,  I must sleep with him". Just as we men, don't just want a woman that has sex with us, we also want intelligence, fun, cooking skills, emotional support, money skills, etc  etc etc, so women too want the "full package", it's not just money. They want it all. Like us. So romance does play a part. It's actually very important because it glosses OVER the very real desire for money, or sex, which women and men have respectively. This all assumes she's not a whore of course, like the girl who asked you for a condo.

 

46 minutes ago, Lightyear said:

Massive ..... red ..... flag .....

 

I had always suspected that to CM girl material things were very important. I really hope she's not a Phuket Girl sans the promiscuity, who is overly focused on money. She is Chinese though, so odds are not good in that regard.

 

It really is a red flag to see this post. Because in the best case scenario she's saying  I like how generous you are, I want this to continue. It still means she focused on material things.

 

Of course the most likely explanation is that she is flexing to her many, many girlfriends, that she is now dating a very generous man, as girls do. 

 

Considering whether it's a good or bad thing, I don't think it's good either way.

#1

 

 

She’s had a rich boyfriend before, and now she’s saying she wants a car. Just be careful with your heart. Stay interested, but cool down a bit. Watch how she talks and behaves over the next 24 hours — that will tell you what you need to know.

8 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

#1

 

 

She’s had a rich boyfriend before, and now she’s saying she wants a car. Just be careful with your heart. Stay interested, but cool down a bit. Watch how she talks and behaves over the next 24 hours — that will tell you what you need to know.

 

Very good point. She had an EXTREMELY rich Ex boyfriend before. Note how she wrote in that photo "Not rich, but generous", maybe it is about me, because compared to her Taiwanese ex I would not be rich. I don't see this as a major problem. With my Filipina of 6 years, I flew her to London and Grand Cayman, took her swimming with the Stingrays, to the Opera and an NBA game. The guy she picked after me is just a sailor on 2000 USD a month. So women are not necessarily iron-clad about a luxury life. Then again this was a Filipina, not a Chinese girl, and she was 29 when it ended, so in a rush to settle down.

 

The car thing she didn't say it just now, she said that on the second date over dinner. i think I asked her what are her ambitions in life, and she replied she wants to buy a car. I didn't think much of it at the time. Now I'm a bit worried if she's expecting me to buy a BMW.

 

I think you're absolutely right. The next 24 hours will be crucial. As the beneficial effects of the phone case delivery wear off. Gratitude fades quickly and the game does not run on gratitude.

So despite the fact that CM girl wrote to me first in the morning, I could tell her interest had fallen considerably. Her reply "Yes, I slept early last night" was fairly curt. My follow up "Yes it's good. You could catch up on sleep. How are you feeling today" was weak on many levels.

 

Inevitably an even shorter reply followed "I'm okay, ka".

 

As she slept good  and I wanted to know where I stand I replied "Happy to hear that. I would be even happier if I can see you again. Would you be free this Saturday". Again, weak formulation on my part. Much better would have been "Let's raise that "okay" to "great", I know a great place for a dinner this Saturday, are you in?""

 

I received a very strange reply "I'm not sure, mom always wants me to bring her out, but I'm afraid to drive without my sister beside me hahahaha"....I looked at this as either 1) an excuse not to go on a date or 2) A backhand request to drive her mother and her somewhere. The latter idea got me excited, as it would have meant she wants me to meet her mother.. So I replied I would be happy to drive her and her mother anywhere they like and that it would be nice to meet her. I also stressed dinner on Sunday would work too. Rather than reply to this in a serious way, this was a lost chance to joke with her. A better reply would have been "Remind me never to let you drive! Hahahah" This would have incresased the feel good tone she was putting out and maybe made her more receptive to my request for a date. Instead I answered seriously, which in this case I think was a mistake.

 

She replied  "My mom will ask me about you a lot and we just know each other not long enough. I never brought anyone to meet mom. My mom only met my sister ex in a 12 years of relationship". So that was that, she had no desire for me to meet her mother, it was just an excuse. At that point I knew things were at a new low.

 

I replied "I totally understand, So do you want to go to dinner just you and me on Saturday or Sunday?"". Then I made a mistake. i regretted that when she had said that her mom will ask her about me a lot that I i didn't say  "I promise I won't ask you any questions about me". This seemed a good joke to me, so after she replied "Can I make sure on Saturday" I texted "Of course, just let me know on Saturday. I promise I won't ask you any questions about me". I put a smiley face to underline it's a joke. But as the conversation had moved on she did not get it. To her credit she was clear about it and asked "I don't get this". I sent a screenshot of her saying that her mom would ask a lot of question and said "Just a joke". She put a heart emoji, and finally understood.

 

However, even a heart emoji can't hide that we had a communication disconnect and her interest has dropped dramatically. It's normal for interest to go up and down. I had not done anything wrong this morning and I could sense her interest had already declined, but my poor replies made things worse still.

 

Once before she said "I will make sure Saturday" and then there was nothing. I strongly suspect it will be the same again. It seems I crashed and burned today. What a change from yesterday, when she sent a video and was texting all day and night.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So despite the fact that CM girl wrote to me first in the morning, I could tell her interest had fallen considerably. Her reply "Yes, I slept early last night" was fairly curt. My follow up "Yes it's good. You could catch up on sleep. How are you feeling today" was weak on many levels.

 

Inevitably an even shorter reply followed "I'm okay, ka".

 

As she slept good  and I wanted to know where I stand I replied "Happy to hear that. I would be even happier if I can see you again. Would you be free this Saturday". Again, weak formulation on my part.

 

I received a very strange reply "I'm not sure, mom always wants me to bring her out, but I'm afraid to drive without my sister beside me hahahaha"....I looked at this as either 1) an excuse not to go on a date or 2) A backhand request to drive her mother and her somewhere. The latter idea got me excited, as it would have meant she wants me to meet her mother.. So I replied I would be happy to drive her and her mother anywhere they like and that it would be nice to meet her. I also stressed dinner on Sunday would work too.

 

She replied  "My mom will ask me about you a lot and we just know each other not long enough. I never brought anyone to meet mom. My mom only met my sister ex in a 12 years of relationship". So that was that, she had no desire for me to meet her mother, it was just an excuse. At that point I knew things were at a new low.

 

I replied "I totally understand, So do you want to go to dinner just you and me on Saturday or Sunday?"". Then I made a mistake. i regretted that when she had said that her mom will ask her about me a lot that I i didn't say  "I promise I won't ask you any questions about me". This seemed a good joke to me, so after she replied "Can I make sure on Saturday" I texted "Of course, just let me know on Saturday. I promise I won't ask you any questions about me". I put a smiley face to underline it's a joke. But as the conversation had moved on she did not get it. To her credit she was clear about it and asked "I don't get this". I sent a screenshot of her saying that her mom would ask a lot of question and said "Just a joke". She put a heart emoji, and finally understood.

 

However, even a heart emoji can hide that we had a communication disconnect and her interest has dropped dramatically. It's normal for interest to go up and down. I had not down anything wrong this morning and I could sense her interest had already declined, but my poor replies made things worse still.

 

Once before she said "I will make sure Saturday" and then there was nothing. I strongly suspect it will be the same again. It seems I crashed and burned today.

Don't give up.

Plenty of fish in the sea.

 

But, getting the right one, takes time.

 

Don't give up, be cool, let her come to you.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

Plenty of fish in the sea.

 

But, getting the right one, takes time.

 

Don't give up, be cool, let her come to you.

 

 

 

Yes, I won't write to her anymore now.  I hope she replies this time on Saturday. Maybe I should have not written at all after her "I slept early". Or very little. Asking for a date right away might have been too forceful.

 

I can tell you, I've been fishing for a long time now. I never found such a magnificent fish.

 

It will be painful to see this one swim away, if that happens.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I can tell you, I've been fishing for a long time now. I never found such a magnificent fish.

 

She is not all that magnificent.   You are thinking with the wrong head. 

Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

She is not all that magnificent.   You are thinking with the wrong head. 

 

I know what you're saying. And yes, the women always got better, after every L, but this one, even by comparison to the best I had seemed a bit special. Of course I don't know her fully, but so far I have never been attracted this hard to a female.

 

I know, we should view them all the same, but some are better than others, it's just true.

She slept early.

 

Cameroni believing Baloney

3 minutes ago, Celsius said:

She slept early.

 

Cameroni believing Baloney

 

She did. She had to get up at 4.30 am because she was travelling to Chiang Dao at 5 am. 

 

She'd only slept 3 hours. So she went to sleep early. 

 

Early morning yesterday she'd sent me a video of the hospital. So I know what she said was true.

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

She did. She had to get up at 4.30 am because she was travelling to Chiang Dao at 5 am. 

 

She'd only slept 3 hours. So she went to sleep early. 

 

Early morning yesterday she'd sent me a video of the hospital. So I know what she said was true.

 

Why do you do this to yourself?

 

I spent a good chunk of time on tinder between my divorces. These women are world class liars. When I took that cosplaying girl to Chiang Mai she told her German BF she was in Los Angeles. The girl didn't even own a passport and the German swallowed every lie like a big load that I gave her.

 

People often control the narrative they present. They only allow you to see what they want you to see, carefully curating the image and information you receive.

 

Once you told me on this forum, "I allow you to see only what I want you to see". That dynamic of controlled perception is also at play in how these women manage their image. The reality of their occupation may be less about the simple label of prostitute and more akin to that of escorts who manage their services and persona meticulously

12 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

Why do you do this to yourself?

 

I spent a good chunk of time on tinder between my divorces. These women are world class liars. When I took that cosplaying girl to Chiang Mai she told her German BF she was in Los Angeles. The girl didn't even own a passport and the German swallowed every lie like a big load that I gave her.

 

People often control the narrative they present. They only allow you to see what they want you to see, carefully curating the image and information you receive.

 

Once you told me on this forum, "I allow you to see only what I want you to see". That dynamic of controlled perception is also at play in how these women manage their image. The reality of their occupation may be less about the simple label of prostitute and more akin to that of escorts who manage their services and persona meticulously

 

You're of course correct to say that she is controlling the narrative she gives out. As we all do.

 

However, if you had been there, on that second date, if you had seen her. Celsius, you would feel the way I do too. There was no carefully crafted Insta narrative then. No curt texts. There was the woman. Smiling, showing her intelligence, her social grace, her beauty. This one is not like these common girls, she really is a bit special.

 

I'm not saying she's not lying too, she may well be. She may well be hiding 4 other guys she's dating or writing to Celsius. I know that. I will keep showing up, even if I may lose. You know why? Because nothing great ever came to pass from giving up. And I'm a seasoned lawyer, of some years, I can tell when people are lying nine times out of 10, and she does not come across as someone who is not genuine. The opposite is the case.

 

Whilst I: have no problem being alone, I know that being with this woman would be a beautiful thing, much better than being alone. That's why I do it to myself.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're of course correct to say that she is controlling the narrative she gives out. As we all do.

 

However, if you had been there, on that second date, if you had seen her. Celsius, you would feel the way I do too. There was no carefully crafted Insta narrative then. No curt texts. There was the woman. Smiling, showing her intelligence, her social grace, her beauty. This one is not like these common girls, she really is a bit special.

 

I'm not saying she's not lying too, she may well be. She may well be hiding 4 other guys she's dating or writing to Celsius. I know that. I will keep showing up, even if I may lose. You know why? Because nothing great ever came to pass from giving up. And I'm a seasoned lawyer, of some years, I can tell when people are lying nine times out of 10, and she does not come across as someone who is not genuine. The opposite is the case.

 

Whilst I: have no problem being alone, I know that being with this woman would be a beautiful thing, much better than being alone. That's why I do it to myself.

And there's me thinking lawyers were smart!! 

1 minute ago, ChrisKC said:

And there's me thinking lawyers were smart!! 

 

The outcome will determine if I was smart or not.

 

Even if I lose, and she never writes again, this will not have been in vain actually. Now I know much better what I'm looking for. And the times we had together, I won't forget them. 

 

However, it's not a given she will not write. It's possible she will write and agree to meet. Stranger things have happened.

3 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

And there's me thinking lawyers were smart!! 

He's probably billing his clients ฿4,000 per hour whilst spending most of that time on Aseannow (or dating sites).

 

22 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I know that being with this woman would be a beautiful thing, much better than being alone.

 

So do other guys, that's the problem.

 

A few weeks ago "michellefromchina" showed up on my Facebook feed. Decided to google her and she does some porn with the older dude. I stumbled on some reddit posts and found out she has been doing this porn thing only since last month. Before that she was on YouTube and Instagram building up audiences with her "innocent" posts. Reddit in flames as a lot of guys started playing a white knight saying she's being manipulated.

 

Anyhoo, I decided to give it a w@nk. While watching one of her livestreams, some guy says "how much would it cost to f you since the old guy does it for free". 

 

You should see her face and confusion. Her reply...."who said it's free?".

 

I loled and got instant limpy, but returned to the video the next day. 

4 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

He's probably billing his clients ฿4,000 per hour whilst spending most of that time on Aseannow (or dating sites).

 

 

A mere 500$, what a shameless exaggeration.