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Questioned at airport immigration for two previous V-E entries

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25 minutes ago, Jack1988 said:

So at this point it would be better and safer to apply for a tourist e-visa before coming to thailand?🤔

 

It would depend on your history, intended duration of stay and if it would be your first entry or not.

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    Who is a 'real tourist'? What is the 'correct visa'? Can you describe the process of 'gaming the system'?   If I have (more than) enough funds to support myself during my stay, why can't I,

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43 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

With the new rules and extra scrutiny that immigration officers will be under, the safe entry service might not be available at all. Guess we'll just have to wait for the dust to settle and see what Father Christmas brings

Indeed, even the border runs might be restricted now. I had one booked for next Monday, 17th (Mukdahan), but my visa agent called and suggested that I do the run on Sunday – the day before the new directives are supposed to be enforced. Hoping for the best.

it's getting harder to enter and stay in thailand. Anyway, i wouldn't stay for too long and there are also other nice asian countries to visit

I don't see the problem if someone wants to do 1 or 2 border bounces in a year. And why somene should try to get a long term visa if they just want to stay for less than 6 months for example?

32 minutes ago, Jack1988 said:

I don't see the problem if someone wants to do 1 or 2 border bounces in a year. And why somene should try to get a long term visa if they just want to stay for less than 6 months for example?

The METVs have been great so far, I hope they don't restrict their usage somehow. Up to 9 months possible with some planning.

8 minutes ago, Chuck443 said:

The METVs have been great so far, I hope they don't restrict their usage somehow. Up to 9 months possible with some planning.

even if someone would enter via air with a 60 days  visa exemption, then he try to exit thailand with a border bounce to obtain another 60 days visa exemption. I really do not see the problem. And not everyone are scammers!

7 minutes ago, Chuck443 said:

The METVs have been great so far, I hope they don't restrict their usage somehow. Up to 9 months possible with some planning.

 

Except they will apply the new rules on B2B entries to the METV as well 🤔

 

Also ridiculous requirements such as:

 

- £5,000 in the bank for the past six months, even though only 10% of that is required for VE60

 

- Letter from employer

 

- Return ticket even though it's not a requirement for an SETV

 

- Five times the cost of the SETV. Same cost as non-imm visas which can be extended

11 hours ago, Jack1988 said:

it's getting harder to enter and stay in thailand. Anyway, i wouldn't stay for too long and there are also other nice asian countries to visit

not really if ur a real tourist or get the correct visa
It is getting hard to game the system and stay long term

16 hours ago, ultramarine said:

I just arrived in Thailand this week for my usual 4 month winter stay.  I intended to use two 60-day visa exemption entries separated by a week in another SE Asia country.  But on arrival at BKK, the IO told me I couldn't use two V-E entries for a 4 month stay as I had done last year.  I had to get another visa.  When I asked which one, she said the tourist visa.  When I told her that would only permit a 60 day stay, she got flustered.  I suggested she may have meant the METV visa which allows for 180 days and she nodded her approval.  

 

It's all part of the new normal I guess.  She wasn't hostile but she was insistent that the V-E was not acceptable for anything longer than 60 days.  She did not give me any official warning with the stamp.  

 

I suppose my next V-E entry in January I could run into bigger trouble with a formal warning of no more V-E entries or even outright refusal.  If this trend continues, it may be time to consider a safe entry service for the second entry. 

 

In future, I will consider an METV although I'm no fan of the e-visa procedure.   To be honest, I have preferred going with the visa exemption approach in order to avoid dealing with the cumbersome e-visa website and my local Thai embassy.  

 

Either way, travel to Thailand will cost more.  Like everything else!  

 

Sounds like the days of being able to easily do one or two border runs on a visa waiver, without worrying about being denied, are over. 

 

Paying a bit more for an METV is not that big a deal in the overall scheme of things. Much less than the cost of the plane ticket + accommodation.  Bit more of a hassle having to apply for it is all.

14 hours ago, ultramarine said:

She looked at my record on her computer (I had a new passport)  and said that I had two back to back VE entries in Nov 2024 and Jan 2025 (last winter).  This was unacceptable and warned me that in future it would be a problem.  She then suggested getting a longer visa such as SETV (!) or the METV.   Its as if they have been briefed to look out for back to back VE entries and warn the traveler that this is an inappropriate use of the VE entry. 

so she really objected to back to back VE entries?  I was pretty sure one could do a back to back even with the recently published apparently codified rules, even though they do have some words that leave a lot of discretion up to the immigration official.  Max stay of  just under 180 days in country .  Gosh a 4 month stay from November thru March is great for avoiding many country's cold winters

13 hours ago, ultramarine said:

interesting.  Maybe different IOs give different suggestions.  If you're staying longer than 3 months, then what is the METV for?  I don't get it.  DTVs are appealing on the surface, but if they reject you for any reason, you lose your money.  Not a good deal since they cost a lot.  

 

I am of retirement age so I could go that route, but it seems like overkill since I don't want to live in Thailand full time.  

 

But 3 consecutive VE60s -- you're in another category.  The big leagues!  

yeah, and if you go the retirement visa route, say the Non Imm O visa, you would have to start off putting 800k baht in the thai bank for the first yearly extension and leave it there, or later change to 12 monthly transfers in of 65k and keep doing that even if you are not in the country otherwise if you break the 12 month continuous transfer, you have to start all over again.  Neither is especially appealing if not really in country all that time.  Oh for the older days when an embassy income affidavit letter was available.  One could get the retirement extension easily and come and go

1 hour ago, zzzzz said:

not really if ur a real tourist or get the correct visa
It is getting hard to game the system and stay long term

If stay less than 180 days why you're not a real tourist? And why get the correct visa if Thailand give the possibility to enter even without visa?

37 minutes ago, Jack1988 said:

If stay less than 180 days why you're not a real tourist? And why get the correct visa if Thailand give the possibility to enter even without visa?

it was about staying long term

VERY few TOURISTS have a job that gives them 6 months off/year   55555

 

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1 hour ago, zzzzz said:

not really if ur a real tourist or get the correct visa
It is getting hard to game the system and stay long term

 

Who is a 'real tourist'? What is the 'correct visa'? Can you describe the process of 'gaming the system'?

 

If I have (more than) enough funds to support myself during my stay, why can't I, as the customer, stay in Thailand for an unlimited amount of time on VE60?

 

The Thai government has provided and facilitated this policy so why shouldn't I make use of it?

 

I don't see restaurants complaining about customers coming every day for a year. Why should the Thai tourist industry be any different?

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1 hour ago, zzzzz said:

it was about staying long term

VERY few TOURISTS have a job that gives them 6 months off/year   55555

 

Of course there are many retired people who do have the option to take long holidays, but don't wish to reside in Thailand year-round.

 

For some of them, the timing of this change without any advance notice will prove problematic, otherwise there are options (METV etc.).

Exactly, the METV, if ur staying long-term as a Tourist  or even the DTV visa and all can be applied online in a relatively short time so how will anyone be affected ( unless there traveling in the next week)?

This is all about the scam centers and people abusing the FREE 60 day visa exempt entry
Nothing more, nothing less
 

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why can't I, as the customer, stay in Thailand for an unlimited amount of time on VE60?

60 day tourist visa is 60 days  not 120, 150, 200 days

Hey its there country
Ask a thai or Cambodian how easy it is to get a visa to go to any western country  🙂
and stay 

7 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

This is all about the scam centers and people abusing the FREE 60 day visa exempt entry

 

That's what they say. It will do nothing against scam center related trafficking though, as those people only need to enter Thailand ONCE. They should have revoked visa exempt entries for the nationalities most at risk, to force them to apply for a visa where additional scrutiny can be applied before they can even board a flight to Thailand.

20 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

Hey its there country

 

Yes, I know it's here

 

21 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

Ask a thai or Cambodian how easy it is to get a visa to go to any western country 

 

Very easy and they can stay for 6 months without the need to waste a day at immigration to get a 30 day extension or go through the hassle and expense of leaving the country after 90 days. If they want to stay longer they can get an extension.

 

Even better if they overstay. There are no fines. They will just get a polite letter asking them to leave and apologising for wasting their time. They might even be paid to leave the country.

 

 

METV holders are routinely denied entry on the same grounds as VE border bouncers, i.e. de facto living in Thailand.

 

If anyone believes an METV  is deemed an appropriate visa to live in Thailand by Immigration, they have not been paying attention. 

 

An METV absolutely does not guarantee entry.

If this is really a significant issue in terms of the number of people doing repeat border bounces then the Thai tourist numbers must be seriously overstated, with 1 person being counted 3 or 4 times a year.

4 hours ago, kinyara said:

If this is really a significant issue in terms of the number of people doing repeat border bounces then the Thai tourist numbers must be seriously overstated, with 1 person being counted 3 or 4 times a year.


I assumed that every entry counted as a tourist arrival 

On 11/14/2025 at 1:14 PM, DrJack54 said:

That's lovely for you. 

Not everyone is 50+ and has Non O option

yes, i used to think its nothing short of age discrimination, i was retired for medical reasons so those visa runs to another country was miserable

56 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

yes, i used to think its nothing short of age discrimination, i was retired for medical reasons so those visa runs to another country was miserable

 

It does read it will be more difficult for those under age-50 to stay in Thailand.

 

I (vaguely) speculated on this possibility in another thread, for those under age-50 (and hence type-O visa not applicable), possibly some form of the DTV visa could be considered for those who can no longer border bounce easily due to more restrictive immigration policies.  

 

It does make me wonder as to how the DTV visa could be used to allow one who is significantly under age-50 to legally stay in Thailand (where I note this is not applicable to me as I am > age-50 and I have an approved Visa (LTR)).  

 

ie so for DTV perhaps have a minimum amount in a foreign bank ( greater than ~ 500,00 THB equivalent) plus perhaps register for a Thai language course (perhaps find a course that is 2 days per week for 6-months) to see if that will meet the DTV "Soft power" criteria?    

 

And of course one MUST have sufficient money saved to support one's lifestyle in Thailand ( rent / food / transport / medical / entertainment / language-course-costs). As to whether that would be accepted ?  I don't know.  I also suspect that approach would not interest most.  However for medical reasons, perhaps one can lever that reason to obtain a DTV (ie regular medical treatments in Thailand).

 

Still, I am wondering if we may see more expats migrating toward some sort of DTV approach away from the previous multiple border-hop  / entries.

 

I also now, after typing this, am thinking that this is not the right thread for this speculation - as we do have a DTV thread. (one example old thread):  

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On 11/15/2025 at 10:01 AM, GanDoonToonPet said:

I don't see restaurants complaining about customers coming every day for a year. Why should the Thai tourist industry be any different?

The difference is, restaurants don't have a mafia "door man" who demands a payoff (via agent) if you "come too often."

 

On 11/15/2025 at 4:57 PM, zzzzz said:

Ask a thai or Cambodian how easy it is to get a visa to go to any western country  🙂
and stay 

Where the min wage pays more per-hour than the wage in Thailand per-day?  There is no incentive for us to come to Thailand to work illegally.  And, Westerners are not working in border-country "scam centers." 

 

All this policy does is hurt Thai businesses - sending that business/money to other countries - all so immigration can collect tribute on "come too much/often" visitors.  Every day we stay and spend pays multiple Thai salaries = "win win" for everyone involved.

18 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

The difference is, restaurants don't have a mafia "door man" who demands a payoff (via agent) if you "come too often."

 

Where the min wage pays more per-hour than the wage in Thailand per-day?  There is no incentive for us to come to Thailand to work illegally.  And, Westerners are not working in border-country "scam centers." 

 

All this policy does is hurt Thai businesses - sending that business/money to other countries - all so immigration can collect tribute on "come too much/often" visitors.  Every day we stay and spend pays multiple Thai salaries = "win win" for everyone involved.

"There is no incentive for us to come to Thailand to work illegally. "  Try telling that to the thousands of teachers, dive instructors, massage 'therapists'  working here "illegally'!

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Well it does not appear that hundreds of people are being denied entry comin' in today because of their previous entry/stay history. All I can find (after scouring the tiny section of the inter-web that is thai related 😛) is people who were "questioned" but let in anyway 
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Those b/s agents/agencies who were spouting off that it was going from 60 back to 30 days were also WRONG, 

Here's a Suvarnabhumi entry stamp from early this morning. 60 day entry and the same stamp code since when they went from 30 to 60 back on July 15th 2024 - .60-.17 

image.png.0631355bd71b895d2410fdbf923f0374.png
 

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

"There is no incentive for us to come to Thailand to work illegally. "  Try telling that to the thousands of teachers, dive instructors, massage 'therapists'  working here "illegally'!

"Dive instructors" - haven't heard that one in awhile.  Easy to catch that handful - go to the docks. 

 

It is true that most schools (and some other employers) will demand you work illegally for 90-days, before they get your work-permit.  There are many threads on this in the teaching forums. It is also easy to fix that problem: Arrest and prosecute their employers, rather than play a guessing-game at the border, which really does cost thousands of Thais their jobs.

 

Note that "working illegally" is rarely used as the passport-stamped rejection-reason immigration uses to deny entry to Westerners, after telling their victims they are being denied for "coming too much / often" (which is an illegal reason).  They stamp-pretend you "don't have money," instead - which is impossible, since there is no welfare for foreigners here.

On 11/17/2025 at 11:24 AM, Rob Browder said:

Note that "working illegally" is rarely used as the passport-stamped rejection-reason immigration uses to deny entry to Westerners, after telling their victims they are being denied for "coming too much / often" (which is an illegal reason).  They stamp-pretend you "don't have money,"

I got both reasons, sections 2 & 3, and the crazy thing was they were both completely made up and untrue. I am a Westerner.

 

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Just one data point...  I entered BKK on Monday for my 32nd consecutive monthly VE entry and got stamped in with a smile.  US passport, age 68 and used to work in Thailand for a BOI company before Covid.  I stay less than a week each month, so I'm not a typical case.  But a good data point. I was a little concerned this month because of all the press, but for naught.  Apparently, the number of VE entries isn't a deal killer.  YMMV.

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

I stay less than a week each month, so I'm not a typical case.

Biggest understatement for a long while. 

You are spending very little extended time in Thailand. 

The issue is visa exempt + the 30 day extension then repeat. 

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