A summary of : Trump thought Gulf monarchs would rebuild Gaza. Then he told them his plan

 

Immediate problems: 

 Decomposing bodies underneath the rubble. It is estimated there are between between 10,000 and 14,000 corpses.

Heavy rains have resulted in tents being flooded whilst raw sewage flows between the tents.

 

Cost of clearance

UN-Habitat estimates that it would take 105 lorries 20 years to take all  the rubble away. But there isn’t anything like that number of trucks and there’s almost no heavy equipment.

 

Obstruction by Israel

On Friday, the UN spokeman, Stéphane Dujarric, said that 4,000 pallets of tents, blankets and kitchen sets remained stuck in Jordan, Egypt and Israel, waiting for permission to enter Gaza. He said the Israeli authorities had rejected 23 requests from nine different humanitarian aid providers to bring in these “critical” supplies.

Israel bans more than 1,000 items as “dual use”. They include cement, steel bars, pipes, and welding equipment, all of which the Israeli authorities say could be used for military purposes.

 

Unwilling donors

The World Bank and the UN put reconstruction costs at $70bn. The Gulf states and others have donated around $1.14bn of the $4bn requested for urgent aid. That’s barely a quarter of what’s required just for basic humanitarian needs, let alone to start rebuilding.

 

Who will govern Gaza?

 Israel rejects any role for Hamas but also opposes involvement by the Palestinian Authority.  Trump's plan envisages an international stabilisation force to provide security but Hamas won’t disarm, and no one wants to send troops to fight Gaza’s armed groups on Israel’s behalf. The United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and Indonesia were all named as possible contributors to this force. All are now noticeably reluctant

 

Going nowhere

 But progress has stagnated since the truce was agreed – there’s little money, no foreign peacekeepers, and no sign of Sir Tony and the Board of Peace.

The Israeli commentator Ehud Yaari wrote that Trump’s 20-point peace plan for Gaza was going nowhere. It “currently belongs to the realm of Disneyland and has no grip on reality”.

 

 

4 hours ago, bannork said:

A summary of : Trump thought Gulf monarchs would rebuild Gaza. Then he told them his plan

 

Immediate problems: 

 Decomposing bodies underneath the rubble. It is estimated there are between between 10,000 and 14,000 corpses.

Heavy rains have resulted in tents being flooded whilst raw sewage flows between the tents.

 

Cost of clearance

UN-Habitat estimates that it would take 105 lorries 20 years to take all  the rubble away. But there isn’t anything like that number of trucks and there’s almost no heavy equipment.

 

Obstruction by Israel

On Friday, the UN spokeman, Stéphane Dujarric, said that 4,000 pallets of tents, blankets and kitchen sets remained stuck in Jordan, Egypt and Israel, waiting for permission to enter Gaza. He said the Israeli authorities had rejected 23 requests from nine different humanitarian aid providers to bring in these “critical” supplies.

Israel bans more than 1,000 items as “dual use”. They include cement, steel bars, pipes, and welding equipment, all of which the Israeli authorities say could be used for military purposes.

 

Unwilling donors

The World Bank and the UN put reconstruction costs at $70bn. The Gulf states and others have donated around $1.14bn of the $4bn requested for urgent aid. That’s barely a quarter of what’s required just for basic humanitarian needs, let alone to start rebuilding.

 

Who will govern Gaza?

 Israel rejects any role for Hamas but also opposes involvement by the Palestinian Authority.  Trump's plan envisages an international stabilisation force to provide security but Hamas won’t disarm, and no one wants to send troops to fight Gaza’s armed groups on Israel’s behalf. The United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and Indonesia were all named as possible contributors to this force. All are now noticeably reluctant

 

Going nowhere

 But progress has stagnated since the truce was agreed – there’s little money, no foreign peacekeepers, and no sign of Sir Tony and the Board of Peace.

The Israeli commentator Ehud Yaari wrote that Trump’s 20-point peace plan for Gaza was going nowhere. It “currently belongs to the realm of Disneyland and has no grip on reality”.

 

 

It's a complete "<deleted>" engineered by trump and netanyahu, esp when trump thought he could build a new city there, replete with tackyness in abundance. No show Donny boy LOL.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Trump's plan envisages an international stabilisation force to provide security but Hamas won’t disarm, and no one wants to send troops to fight Gaza’s armed groups on Israel’s behalf.

 

   Just leave it as it is .

Leave Hamas there and let them sort it out themselves 

The gulf trillionaires are not stupid. They very well know with whom they will have to deal (on both sides of the wall)  if they get trapped in any Gaza investments. 

3 hours ago, bannork said:

A summary of : Trump thought Gulf monarchs would rebuild Gaza. Then he told them his plan

 

Trump thinks a lot, but in fact he better should keep his pie hole shut.

He also "thought" he had reached a deal with China, and that they bowed for his negotiation skills, but news from the last few days again shows nothing of that is true.

But that is for another thread.

4 hours ago, bannork said:

But progress has stagnated since the truce was agreed –

I think even Blind Freddy expected the Israelis to welsh on their side of the agreement after they got all their living hostages back.

4 hours ago, bannork said:

A summary of : Trump thought Gulf monarchs would rebuild Gaza. Then he told them his plan

Shouldn’t the Israelis be up for war reparations since they caused all the destruction?

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Just leave it as it is .

Leave Hamas there and let them sort it out themselves 

Well they could easily sort it out themselves but Israel are deliberately blocking everything.

 

4 hours ago, bannork said:

On Friday, the UN spokeman, Stéphane Dujarric, said that 4,000 pallets of tents, blankets and kitchen sets remained stuck in Jordan, Egypt and Israel, waiting for permission to enter Gaza. He said the Israeli authorities had rejected 23 requests from nine different humanitarian aid providers to bring in these “critical” supplies.

Israel bans more than 1,000 items as “dual use”.

 

35 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I think even Blind Freddy expected the Israelis to welsh on their side of the agreement after they got all their living hostages back.

Right. However, to be honest, no one also expected Hamas to respect the agreement.

 

Neither Hamas nor Netanyahu have any interest in peace.

50 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Well they could easily sort it out themselves but Israel are deliberately blocking everything.

 

   Whose problem is that ?

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Shouldn’t the Israelis be up for war reparations since they caused all the destruction?

Why SHOULD the Gulf States pay to rebuild Gaza?

 

They didn't destroy it.

 

Israel did with the connivance of the USA, who supplied the weapons to do it with.

 

Let them pay to rebuild it. If Trump wants the USA to help pay the cost, then HE will have to explain to the US taxpayers will have to pay part of the cost.

14 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Why SHOULD the Gulf States pay to rebuild Gaza?

 

   Palestinians caused the problem , let them deal with the result 

Israel should be forced to build bomb shelters for the people who are bombing them.

 

What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Just leave it as it is .

Leave Hamas there and let them sort it out themselves 

 

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Well they could easily sort it out themselves

               So a terrorist organisation with experience only in death and destruction   is , in your opinion perfectly capable of rebuilding what's left of Palestine, presumably whilst forming a functioning government and creating a civilised democratic like society, all self funded of course,    Rubbish 

                They could not sort out Jack $h1T   the best thing to happen is give the damn place to Israel let them get rid of the remaining terrorists and their supporters it becomes part of Israel and will be developed by the Israelis for themselves over time.

                The  Palestinians  would welcome the  improvement,  that's why there are so many already living in Israel quite happily, 

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Shouldn’t the Israelis be up for war reparations since they caused all the destruction?

Did us Brits pay war reparations to germany for all the destruction we caused ?  I sincerely hope not.

8 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Did us Brits pay war reparations to germany for all the destruction we caused ?  I sincerely hope not.

Well, call it what you want, but the United States did offer huge financial assistance to Germany after the war. It was called the Marshall Plan. And it was in the enlightened self-interest of the USA and in the interest of other European nations that it did so.

Compare that to the vindictive Treaty of Versaille the consequences of which helped lead to World War 2.

25 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Well, call it what you want, but the United States did offer huge financial assistance to Germany after the war. It was called the Marshall Plan. And it was in the enlightened self-interest of the USA and in the interest of other European nations that it did so.

Compare that to the vindictive Treaty of Versaille the consequences of which helped lead to World War 2.

 

    That was AFTER the Nazis were defeated .

Hamas haven't been defeated , they still rule Gaza .

Would the USA have given aid the Germany if Hitler still ruled Germany ?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    That was AFTER the Nazis were defeated .

Hamas haven't been defeated , they still rule Gaza .

Would the USA have given aid the Germany if Hitler still ruled Germany ?

And so long as Israel refuse it's duty to occupy the territories and function as an interim government it can always make that claim.

34 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Well, call it what you want, but the United States did offer huge financial assistance to Germany after the war. It was called the Marshall Plan. And it was in the enlightened self-interest of the USA and in the interest of other European nations that it did so.

Compare that to the vindictive Treaty of Versaille the consequences of which helped lead to World War 2.

Not really my area of expertise but I believe that the UK has only relatively recently paid back all the money they borrowed from America to fund their involvement in WW2

 But the troublemakers who started the war and eventually lost it seemed to have done quite well out of it financially,  could that have inspired Hamas?