Just wondering how the brass feels about the administration trying to blame their crime on the military instead of taking responsibility.

Are you able to name this alleged crime this time round? 

You say it was a crime so now support this claim. Whist your at it tell us why Obama's drone attacks that killed civilians including two US citizens wasn't.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you able to name this alleged crime this time round? 

As a never served armchair Rambo, you are unaware of the US Military's "Law of War" manual.

 

Had you read it, as is required for military members, you would see what it says regarding unlawful orders.

 

You would recall that the actual example given in the manual regards what to do if, after a ship strike, there are survivors. The manual states that survivors must be aided and rescued if possible---a pre-attack plan should have been in place in the event there are survivors---and it explicitly states an order to kill survivors in illegal.

 

Now you know.

Just now, Wingate said:

As a never served armchair Rambo, you are unaware of the US Military's "Law of War" manual.

 

Had you read it, as is required for military members, you would see what it says regarding unlawful orders.

 

You would recall that the actual example given in the manual regards what to do if, after a ship strike, there are survivors. The manual states that survivors must be aided and rescued if possible---a pre-attack plan should have been in place in the event there are survivors---and it explicitly states an order to kill survivors in illegal.

 

Now you know.

If I understand you correctly walker88, you are saying drone striking a Syrian family = good and legal. While blowing drug smugglers to smithereens is a big legal nono. 

Is it possible your irrational hatred for Trump has clouded your reason and judgement?

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

If I understand you correctly walker88, you are saying drone striking a Syrian family = good and legal. While blowing drug smugglers to smithereens is a big legal nono. 

Is it possible your irrational hatred for Trump has clouded your reason and judgement?

If you go back and look at who was condemning Obama at the time for those strikes, it wasn't right wingers.

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If you go back and look at who was condemning Obama at the time for those strikes, it wasn't right wingers.

Condemning Obama was verboten if you remember? The man was the perfect being end of. 

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

If I understand you correctly walker88, you are saying drone striking a Syrian family = good and legal. While blowing drug smugglers to smithereens is a big legal nono. 

Is it possible your irrational hatred for Trump has clouded your reason and judgement?

No, you do not understand correctly. Is it possible your irrational hatred of non cult members clouds your judgement?

 

First, a terrorist or enemy entity must first be designated by the government, such as "al Qaeda" or "ISIS".

 

Once the enemy or terrorist org is legally established, they can be struck, provided the intel justifies it.

 

Next, the Law of War Manual specifically states how one must deal with the injured or survivors. They are to be aided and rescued if possible, and the operation should have had that as part of its strike plan. The Law of War Manual specifically states that any order to kill survivors is an unlawful order and must not be followed.

 

Does it seem convoluted? Yes. But that is how the US has drawn up its own rules for war. If an order---from Hegseth or the guy the WH is trying to throw under the bus---came to kill the survivors, it is unlawful and prosecution is inevitable.

 

The Pentagon has the full video and audio. The Armed Services Committee in Congress will get the video and investigate. If such an order was given, somebody is going to jail---save for the pardon Trump will give him, just as Trump did to the Honduran drug-runner former President.

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If you go back and look at who was condemning Obama at the time for those strikes, it wasn't right wingers.

Deflection from the fact that Obama took out civilians. This wasn't a crime as it was deemed collateral damage in a WAR on terrorism.

2 minutes ago, Wingate said:

The Pentagon has the full video and audio. The Armed Services Committee in Congress will get the video and investigate. If such an order was given,

... and there is no video evidence, audio evidence, any communication at all evidence or whistleblower evidence that a double tap order came from Hegseth.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Deflection from the fact that Obama took out civilians. This wasn't a crime as it was deemed collateral damage in a WAR on terrorism.

Stay on topic.

 

The issue here is how to deal with survivors of a strike. That is where the illegality enters and why "somebody"---Hegseth or someone else---may have violated the US' own rules of war.

14 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If you go back and look at who was condemning Obama at the time for those strikes, it wasn't right wingers.

Who was it? 

8 minutes ago, Wingate said:

No, you do not understand correctly. Is it possible your irrational hatred of non cult members clouds your judgement?

One of the leading figures in demagoguery, known for their irrational hatred, is criticizing someone else's judgment. That's quite ironic.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

... and there is no video evidence, audio evidence, any communication at all evidence or whistleblower evidence that a double tap order came from Hegseth.

Oh, so the Pentagon released to you, personally, the entire video?

 

I had no idea you were so special. I tip my hat.

 

Any sort of JASOC operation is covered from start to finish. The video will begin as the vessel is located and end when the operation is clearly finished.

 

Since you've seen the entire video, please tell us what audio took place as the video showed two survivors clinging to the burning craft. The second strike did not happen on its own. Somebody ordered it, and since you claim to have seen the entire video, please tell us who it was that ordered the second strike.

 

Or maybe you haven't actually seen the entire video and are just behaving in a spurious manner?

1 minute ago, Fact said:

One of the leading figures in demagoguery, known for their irrational hatred, is criticizing someone else's judgment. That's quite ironic.

So you will ignore the facts I posted about what's in the Pentagon's Law of War Manual?

 

Bad attempt at obfuscation, and makes your screen name seem.....ironic.

5 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Bingo!

40 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You say it was a crime so now support this claim. Whist your at it tell us why Obama's drone attacks that killed civilians including two US citizens wasn't.

You REALLY must have brain damage. Many members have told you "whataboutism" is the weakest argument of someone with no real point. Yes, yes, and again YES - what Obama did was wrong but that doesn't excuse the people currently backpedaling over a clear act of murder. They know it and are now throwing Admiral Frank Bradley under the bus.

 

You're either trolling or not paying attention.

11 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Oh, so the Pentagon released to you, personally, the entire video?

 

I had no idea you were so special. I tip my hat.

 

Any sort of JASOC operation is covered from start to finish. The video will begin as the vessel is located and end when the operation is clearly finished.

 

Since you've seen the entire video, please tell us what audio took place as the video showed two survivors clinging to the burning craft. The second strike did not happen on its own. Somebody ordered it, and since you claim to have seen the entire video, please tell us who it was that ordered the second strike.

 

Or maybe you haven't actually seen the entire video and are just behaving in a spurious manner?

Try thinking. If there was any evidence at all that Hegseth ordered a double tap it would be all over MSM. All MSM and the Democrats have is speculation, same as some posters on here. I reiterate there is zero evidence of Hegseth ordering the killing of the survivours. 

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

You REALLY must have brain damage. Many members have told you "whataboutism" is the weakest argument of someone with no real point. Yes, yes, and again YES - what Obama did was wrong but that doesn't excuse the people currently backpedaling over a clear act of murder. They know it and are now throwing Admiral Frank Bradley under the bus.

 

You're either trolling or not paying attention.

Alas you fail to recognise the importance of precedence. A "clear act of murder" you say. If it's so clear then you can obviously support this with evidence, not speculation, that Hegseth ordered a double tap. 

How many times will the liberals rush to judgement before any evidence is presented? Happens time and time again.

 

This insane hatred of conservatives leads the liberals to act recklessly. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many times will the liberals rush to judgement before any evidence is presented? Happens time and time again.

 

 

 It's just another attack point in an attempt to weaken Trump. I find it interesting that the Epstein files has dropped off the radar somewhat. When this fizzles out what will be the next attack point. Maybe the Democrats should be more focused on policy which it sure seems they have none. The total negative attack on Trump pre-election ended how?

15 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many times will the liberals rush to judgement before any evidence is presented? Happens time and time again.

 

This insane hatred of conservatives leads the liberals to act recklessly. 

 

 

Washington Post story has seemed pretty credible so far. 

How do you feel about attacking Venezuelan boats while pardoning the Honduran leader found guilty of serious drug trafficking charges. No real explanation for the latter except ... people say it was unfair .. oh my god what a terrible president 

12 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Condemning Obama was verboten if you remember? The man was the perfect being end of. 

https://progressives.house.gov/2013/5/progressive-caucus-holds-hearing-on-implications-of-us-drone-policy?utm_source=chatgpt.com

5 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Washington Post story has seemed pretty credible so far. 

How do you feel about attacking Venezuelan boats while pardoning the Honduran leader found guilty of serious drug trafficking charges. No real explanation for the latter except ... people say it was unfair .. oh my god what a terrible president 

NY Times has debunked it quoting anonymous military sources. It's behind a paywall. 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

... and there is no video evidence, audio evidence, any communication at all evidence or whistleblower evidence that a double tap order came 

 

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you able to name this alleged crime this time round? 

Trump obviously knows what the crime is, hence trying to blame the military.

 

Maybe the ‘Don’t follow illegal orders’ video had a valid point.

 

 

3 hours ago, Tug said:

Just wondering how the brass feels about the administration trying to blame their crime on the military instead of taking responsibility.

 

Ask Colonel Oliver North how it went.

 

 

I would not assume, like Colonel North, that the Admiral wasn't a willing participant the order.

39 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

How many times will the liberals rush to judgement before any evidence is presented? Happens time and time again.

 

This insane hatred of conservatives leads the liberals to act recklessly. 

 

 

Irony lives in that idiot argument.

 

Did it dawn on you that the slaughter of ‘alleged’ drug’ smugglers took place without evidence being presented?

 

The Trump administration made ‘judgement’, decided guilt, passed a sentence and executed the ‘suspects’ with absolutely no evidence being presented.

 

Thank you for so succinctly encapsulating the whole point.

 

“This insane hatred of conservatives leads the liberals to act recklessly. ”

 

Golden, absolutely golden example of rightwing hypocrisy and projection.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Irony lives in that idiot argument.

 

Did it dawn on you that the slaughter of ‘alleged’ drug’ smugglers took place without evidence being presented?

 

The Trump administration made ‘judgement’, decided guilt, passed a sentence and executed the ‘suspects’ with absolutely no evidence being presented.

Ironic the "skip trial just execute" mob here that bayed for Trumps execution over the hoaxes, now suddenly discovered due process.🤣