December 19, 2025Dec 19 4 minutes ago, RayC said: A fact. There were Brexiters who wanted a 'hard' Brexit e.g. prepared to trade on WTO terms and those who favoured a soft one e.g. a 'Norway' or 'Canada,' style deal. Nope. The ones who favoured a soft Brexit were actually Remainers trying to undermine/divide the Brexit movement and push for BRINO. Theresa May for example.
December 19, 2025Dec 19 Popular Post 35 minutes ago, JonnyF said: A Remainer myth. What was the shared project, exactly (apart from leaving)? 🙂
December 19, 2025Dec 19 Popular Post 38 minutes ago, JonnyF said: They want Britain to be a success and this is one of many things Reform will do that can lead to that. Did the people, who felt they were left behind, vote for a wide deregulation who will mainly benefit the financial elite they despise, and leave them behind even more?
December 19, 2025Dec 19 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: Nope. The ones who favoured a soft Brexit were actually Remainers trying to undermine/divide the Brexit movement and push for BRINO. Theresa May for example. You do write some absolute nonsense. So all 17,410,742 who voted for Brexit knew exactly what they were voting for, and that was for the UK to effectively trade under WTO rules and leave all EU programmes? If it wasn't such a ridiculous proposition it would be laughable. You do realise that presumably one of the +/-17.4m was Rishi Sunak. The same Rishi Sunak who as PM negotiated the Windsor Agreement and rejoined the Horizon programme. Maybe he was the exception in the 17,410,742 who didn't know what he was voting for or maybe, just maybe, there are almost 17,410,742 versions of what Brexit should look like, none of which, unfortunately, offer as much as a non-Brexit did.
December 19, 2025Dec 19 1 hour ago, candide said: What was the shared project, exactly (apart from leaving)? 🙂 Of course there is no shared project for the simple reason that it never existed. In a similar vein, most of the 'wishlist' of things e.g. leave the ECHR, improve the NHS, etc, which it is claimed can be enacted now that we have left the EU, would also have been possible when we were a member. Brexiters suffer from 'Kings new clothes' syndrome in clinging to the nonsensical belief that the UK will become some idyll Isle if only the politicians would implement Brexit correctly.
December 19, 2025Dec 19 Popular Post 8 hours ago, JonnyF said: Ah, the politics of envy from the left again. Labour are the party of hypocritical Liberal elites and the corrupt. Tulip Saddiq for example. They are also the party of anti-semitism, tax dodging and OAP freezing. I see you truncated my post Jonny. A bit naughty but understandable given you can’t address the point I made.
December 19, 2025Dec 19 As a supporter of Brexit, I think this is a good move. Leaving the EU allows us to pick and choose which parts we want and don't want. The ERASMUS scheme is a good way for young British people to experience working in another country / culture. We have a similar deal with Australia without the need for political union 😊
December 19, 2025Dec 19 Why has the topic been hijacked by people who haven't moved on in a decade. The discussion should be about the advantages of Erasmus versus the Turing Fund, which is the cost of Erasmus. I'm in favour of both, because I was part of a similar scheme in the 1980s, not in Europe, which literally changed my life. The UK needs all the Soft Power it can get, because it spaffed so much away over the last 10 years. I honestly think there were some who supported Brexit, because they support the destruction of the United Kingdom. Brexit made that much more likely. Soft Power has been the main argument in favour of a UK (ie. Scotland part of the UK, has more influence globally than alone, has been the argument).
December 20, 2025Dec 20 Have you not seen the protests against the EU in recent days, where they want to ruin all farmers in that same EU in favour of a trade agreement with South America? Have you not heard about the enormous corruption, yes, also in that same EU? Have you not heard about the fraud and the lack of accountability in the reports from Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer? Believe me, there are now many people who are fed up with the EU and want to leave as soon as possible. And then there are people who think that the UK would have been better off staying in the EU? Oh yes, I forgot to mention, what do you think about granting Ukraine 90 billion euros? And of course you understand who will have to pay for that. Well, citizens of the United Kingdom, be glad you don't have to contribute to that. Yes, I know Starmer has also opened his wallet.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 Popular Post Puzzled why some don't want students to expand their education overseas.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 22 hours ago, RayC said: Of course there is no shared project for the simple reason that it never existed. In a similar vein, most of the 'wishlist' of things e.g. leave the ECHR, improve the NHS, etc, which it is claimed can be enacted now that we have left the EU, would also have been possible when we were a member. Brexiters suffer from 'Kings new clothes' syndrome in clinging to the nonsensical belief that the UK will become some idyll Isle if only the politicians would implement Brexit correctly. I'd prefer the UK to become part of the Russian Federation. Europe have always been our enemies, Russia have always been our allies.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 13 minutes ago, Purdey said: Puzzled why some don't want students to expand their education overseas. Because they might come back speaking all forrin' and expending their minds - can't have that. Best keep them and their educashun at home where they can hang flags from lamp posts at will.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 3 hours ago, BritManToo said: I'd prefer the UK to become part of the Russian Federation. Europe have always been our enemies, Russia have always been our allies. Apart from the last 75 years
December 20, 2025Dec 20 4 hours ago, Peterphuket said: Have you not seen the protests against the EU in recent days, where they want to ruin all farmers in that same EU in favour of a trade agreement with South America? Have you not heard about the enormous corruption, yes, also in that same EU? Have you not heard about the fraud and the lack of accountability in the reports from Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer? Believe me, there are now many people who are fed up with the EU and want to leave as soon as possible. And then there are people who think that the UK would have been better off staying in the EU? Oh yes, I forgot to mention, what do you think about granting Ukraine 90 billion euros? And of course you understand who will have to pay for that. Well, citizens of the United Kingdom, be glad you don't have to contribute to that. Yes, I know Starmer has also opened his wallet. Many things could be improved in the EU (just as they could in the UK) and yet a median of 62% of people across 25 countries have a favorable view of the EU, according to a Pew Research Center survey in Spring 2025. Farmers protesting against trade deals? Hardly a uniquely EU phenomenon. UK farmers protested against the EU - UK TCA - ironic given that this group were strong Brexit supporters - and the trade deals that the UK has signed with Australia and NZ. Likewise, the EU certainly doesn't a monopoly when it comes to a lack of accountability, possible fraud and corruption when it comes to COVID related matters. I'm sure that you have heard of Baroness Mone. Ukraine: Yes freedom sometimes comes with a financial cost. Both the EU and UK recognise that. The OBR estimates that Brexit has cost the UK 4% of its GDP, and yet there are still those that think leaving was a good idea.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 8 minutes ago, RayC said: Farmers protesting against trade deals? Hardly a uniquely EU phenomenon. UK farmers protested against the EU - UK TCA - ironic given that this group were strong Brexit supporters - and the trade deals that the UK has signed with Australia and NZ. Farming seems to be an issue worldwide. Subsidies all over in the west.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 18 minutes ago, stevenl said: Farming seems to be an issue worldwide. Subsidies all over in the west. Agreed. Although imo it is particularly problematic in the EU. The CAP needs reforming but that is proving almost impossible as farmers, especially in France, are a large - and very vocal - constituency and no political parties appear willing or able to take them on.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 Popular Post On 12/19/2025 at 7:07 AM, JonnyF said: The UK makes a substantial direct payment of approximately £570 million to the EU's Erasmus+ budget for the 2027–28 academic year alone The return on that investment will exceed it by many multiples of that. But I guess that's invisible through the red haze of xenophobia and fear - the two prime movers of Brexit.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 On 12/19/2025 at 7:07 AM, JonnyF said: The UK makes a substantial direct payment of approximately £570 million to the EU's Erasmus+ budget for the 2027–28 academic year alone The return on that investment will exceed it by many multiples of that. But I guess that's invisible through the red haze of xenophobia and fear - the two prime movers of Brexit.
December 20, 2025Dec 20 1 hour ago, BusyB said: The return on that investment will exceed it by many multiples of that. But I guess that's invisible through the red haze of xenophobia and fear - the two prime movers of Brexit. Didnt you read this bit ? "Chatham House previously reported that Erasmus boosted the UK economy by £243 million (about 11.2 billion Thai baht) annually."
December 20, 2025Dec 20 How fast could the UK get back into the EU if it announced tomorrow its intention to apply for renewed membership? Ten years, more? (I know the current members need to agree - so for the sake of ease, let's assume they all do).
December 20, 2025Dec 20 16 minutes ago, ronnie50 said: How fast could the UK get back into the EU if it announced tomorrow its intention to apply for renewed membership? Ten years, more? (I know the current members need to agree - so for the sake of ease, let's assume they all do). Th agreement was it was a once in a generation vote on Brexit . One referendum only .
December 20, 2025Dec 20 On 12/19/2025 at 6:56 AM, RayC said: And reduce UK influence and opportunities overseas further. Anyway, possible when UK was an EU member Why? See my counterargument in previous email And further enhance the divisions in society and create an underclass Anyway, possible when UK was an EU member Well meaning but probably needs amendment ... said every PM since Atlee. Why believe Reform will succeed where all others have failed? Anyway, possible when UK was an EU member And reduce UK influence further. Anyway, possible when UK was an EU member Such as? Banking Regulations? Risk of another financial crisis Anyway, (largely) possible when UK was an EU member Why? Don't you think offering education and training opportunities to young people is a good idea? Needs amendment. Anyway, possible when UK was an EU member To where? Anyway, possible when UK was an EU member (unless that includes returning them to France). Whether your measures have any merit - most don't - the overwhelming majority could have been implemented when the UK was a member of the EU so, where is the Brexit benefit? Gary! Influence? Get a grip. We haven't had an empire since 1945 and you somehow think we need 'influence'? LOL. The Swiss, Singapore and other countries that keep themselves to themselves do just fine being low-key and not 'influencing'.
December 21, 2025Dec 21 Popular Post On 12/19/2025 at 10:59 AM, RayC said: Yes In the (approaching) 10 years or so since the Brexit vote, and the 6 years since we formally left, we have struck no significant trade deals and are certainly no nearer reaching agreement on one with the US. Just after the exit vote a UK minister of trade rushed to a G20 meeting and to great fanfare ......on the side ..... great deals were announced with Pakistan and the Phillipines ( Duerte ) I knew were fooked right there and then!
December 21, 2025Dec 21 10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: Th agreement was it was a once in a generation vote on Brexit . One referendum only . Putting aside the departure from this life of so many from the generation that most supported BREXIT, there’s this: “The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681.amp
December 21, 2025Dec 21 13 hours ago, RayC said: Many things could be improved in the EU (just as they could in the UK) and yet a median of 62% of people across 25 countries have a favorable view of the EU, according to a Pew Research Center survey in Spring 2025. Farmers protesting against trade deals? Hardly a uniquely EU phenomenon. UK farmers protested against the EU - UK TCA - ironic given that this group were strong Brexit supporters - and the trade deals that the UK has signed with Australia and NZ. Likewise, the EU certainly doesn't a monopoly when it comes to a lack of accountability, possible fraud and corruption when it comes to COVID related matters. I'm sure that you have heard of Baroness Mone. Ukraine: Yes freedom sometimes comes with a financial cost. Both the EU and UK recognise that. The OBR estimates that Brexit has cost the UK 4% of its GDP, and yet there are still those that think leaving was a good idea. It's just an opinion, which I don't share at all.
December 21, 2025Dec 21 19 hours ago, Purdey said: Puzzled why some don't want students to expand their education overseas. Probably because it was very expensive for the British taxpayers. EU students owe Britain £5bn in loans. EU students owe Britain more than £5bn in unpaid loans, official figures show. The total outstanding amount, lent to those studying at UK universities, has increased from £0.7bn in 2013-14 to £5.8bn in 2024-25, according to data from the Student Loans Company.
December 21, 2025Dec 21 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Putting aside the departure from this life of so many from the generation that most supported BREXIT, there’s this: “The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681.amp Nigel needs to accept, as does everyone else, that is was one time only referendum. Nigel would need to accept the result , even it the result was close
December 21, 2025Dec 21 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Nigel needs to accept, as does everyone else, that is was one time only referendum. Nigel would need to accept the result , even it the result was close Firstly, there is no legal necessity to hold a referendum before re-applying for membership of the EU, although I accept that having voted to leave via one it would be politically (and morally) difficult not to hold another before rejoining. When it should be held - as it almost inevitably will be - is purely subjective as there was no minimum duration placed on the validity of the 2016 referendum. Imo Alex Salmond's 'once in a generation' suggestion is a useful rule of thumb.
December 21, 2025Dec 21 14 minutes ago, RayC said: Firstly, there is no legal necessity to hold a referendum before re-applying for membership of the EU, although I accept that having voted to leave via one it would be politically (and morally) difficult not to hold another before rejoining. When it should be held - as it almost inevitably will be - is purely subjective as there was no minimum duration placed on the validity of the 2016 referendum. Imo Alex Salmond's 'once in a generation' suggestion is a useful rule of thumb. Takes 10 years to join. Before then Farage will be in power, so forget it.
December 21, 2025Dec 21 4 minutes ago, RayC said: Firstly, there is no legal necessity to hold a referendum before re-applying for membership of the EU, although I accept that having voted to leave via one it would be politically (and morally) difficult not to hold another before rejoining. When it should be held - as it almost inevitably will be - is purely subjective as there was no minimum duration placed on the validity of the 2016 referendum. Imo Alex Salmond's 'once in a generation' suggestion is a useful rule of thumb. A generation is 40 years . so, year 2599 ?
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