So the resident MAGA fanbase are strong 2nd amdt. supporters, but what about the 4th? Should ICE be allowed to ignore it or not?

'Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge’s warrant, memo says'

https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2d

"Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.

The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.

The shift comes as the Trump administration dramatically expands immigration arrests nationwide, deploying thousands of officers under a mass deportation campaign that is already reshaping enforcement tactics in cities such as Minneapolis."

If they have to get a warrant for every one of the millions of illegals that they arrest, they'll never get finished. Some might claim that this IS an emergency situation requiring emergency powers. The Dems unlawful importation of illegals for political purposes can be classed as an invasion by foreign terrorists and criminals. What do you want? More executive orders?

As usual, OP didn't read or understand what he's posting. Must have missed this part ...

... "Should the alien refuse admittance, ICE officers and agents should use only a necessary and reasonable amount of forceto enter the alien's residence," ...

If the illegal alien is in site, answers the door, then it doesn't violate the '4th Amendment" as no search is necessary, and not different if they 'know' a criminal, or crime is being committed. They have probably cause to enter.

They can not search the property, looking for alien, but if the see them, that's probable cause. If they see the alien, then there is nothing unreasonable about entering to arrest.

From AI ... "The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, requiring law enforcement to have warrants based on probable cause, supported by oath, and specifically describing the place to be searched and items to be seized, safeguarding privacy in homes, papers, and effects, ...

...though it doesn't forbid all searches, only unreasonable ones....

It's a cornerstone of American privacy law, applying to physical spaces, personal interactions like stops, and increasingly, digital data." ...

As stated, 'alien refuse admittance' ... kind of means, there is no need to search, no 4th Amendment violation.

"If they have to get a warrant for every one of the millions of illegals that they arrest, they'll never get finished."

The warrant is for entering private property, not for making an arrest. Hope this clears up your obvious confusion.

"Some might claim that this IS an emergency situation requiring emergency powers."

Some might claim that the earth is flat.

The heroes of ICE continuing their stellar work. They're now arresting the children before they grow up to be gangbangers. Genius!

'5-year-old boy among four students detained by ICE, according to school leaders'

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/5-year-old-boy-among-four-students-detained-by-ice-according-to-school-leaders-mn/89-113e2490-282c-4e5d-a472-f5cf8f18a94b

"“ICE agents have been roaming our neighborhoods, circling our schools, following our buses, coming into our parking lots and taking our children. The sense of safety in our community and around our schools is shaken and our hearts are shattered," said Stenvik.

School officials say Tuesday afternoon 5-year-old preschool student, Liam Ramos, was detained by federal agents alongside his father as they were driving home from school.

“Why detain a 5-year-old? You can’t tell me this child is going to be classified as a violent criminal,” Stenvik says."

1 hour ago, cooked said:

If they have to get a warrant for every one of the millions of illegals that they arrest, they'll never get finished. Some might claim that this IS an emergency situation requiring emergency powers. The Dems unlawful importation of illegals for political purposes can be classed as an invasion by foreign terrorists and criminals. What do you want? More executive orders?

They don't need to get a warrant for every illegal that they arrest. They need to get warrants to enter someone's home.

Some might make all kinds of hysterical claims like this is an emergency situation. or that Democrats imported illegals. Or that the influx of illegals could be classed as an invasion by foreign terrorists and criminals. They are certainly entitled to make all kinds of claims. What they aren't allowed to do is use them to circumvent Constitutional protections. And since when can an executive order overrule the Constitution?

The Congressman is right. ICE is totally out of control.

CBS has the story.

Anybody having a case law to demonstrate that ice is acting unconstitutionally in terms of the memo set forth here

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3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So the resident MAGA fanbase are strong 2nd amdt. supporters, but what about the 4th? Should ICE be allowed to ignore it or not?

'Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge’s warrant, memo says'

https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2d

"Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.

The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of removal, a move that advocates say collides with Fourth Amendment protections and upends years of advice given to immigrant communities.

The shift comes as the Trump administration dramatically expands immigration arrests nationwide, deploying thousands of officers under a mass deportation campaign that is already reshaping enforcement tactics in cities such as Minneapolis."

It also contradicts the training manual used to on-board and refresh ICE officers. just a minor detail until it ends up in court over a lawsuit.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Anybody having a case law to demonstrate that ice is acting unconstitutionally in terms of the memo set forth here

Considering the internal memo was just published recently indicating the appropriate warrant isnt needed and no cases have gone to court over it yet. You need to drop the ridiculous continual request for "case law". You have the 4th amendment which is easy to find. The memo is also on line contradicting the amendment

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

As usual, OP didn't read or understand what he's posting. Must have missed this part ...

... "Should the alien refuse admittance, ICE officers and agents should use only a necessary and reasonable amount of forceto enter the alien's residence," ...

If the illegal alien is in site, answers the door, then it doesn't violate the '4th Amendment" as no search is necessary, and not different if they 'know' a criminal, or crime is being committed. They have probably cause to enter.

They can not search the property, looking for alien, but if the see them, that's probable cause. If they see the alien, then there is nothing unreasonable about entering to arrest.

From AI ... "The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government, requiring law enforcement to have warrants based on probable cause, supported by oath, and specifically describing the place to be searched and items to be seized, safeguarding privacy in homes, papers, and effects, ...

...though it doesn't forbid all searches, only unreasonable ones....

It's a cornerstone of American privacy law, applying to physical spaces, personal interactions like stops, and increasingly, digital data." ...

As stated, 'alien refuse admittance' ... kind of means, there is no need to search, no 4th Amendment violation.

you're cherry picking parts of statements out of the full intent to try to justify lawlessness

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

The heroes of ICE continuing their stellar work. They're now arresting the children before they grow up to be gangbangers. Genius!

'5-year-old boy among four students detained by ICE, according to school leaders'

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/5-year-old-boy-among-four-students-detained-by-ice-according-to-school-leaders-mn/89-113e2490-282c-4e5d-a472-f5cf8f18a94b

"“ICE agents have been roaming our neighborhoods, circling our schools, following our buses, coming into our parking lots and taking our children. The sense of safety in our community and around our schools is shaken and our hearts are shattered," said Stenvik.

School officials say Tuesday afternoon 5-year-old preschool student, Liam Ramos, was detained by federal agents alongside his father as they were driving home from school.

“Why detain a 5-year-old? You can’t tell me this child is going to be classified as a violent criminal,” Stenvik says."

regardless of age if he has no right to be there then he has to go ,

3 hours ago, cooked said:

If they have to get a warrant for every one of the millions of illegals that they arrest, they'll never get finished. Some might claim that this IS an emergency situation requiring emergency powers. The Dems unlawful importation of illegals for political purposes can be classed as an invasion by foreign terrorists and criminals. What do you want? More executive orders?

just round them up and deport the lot of them asap no need for warrants or any of that nonsense

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

The shift comes as the Trump administration dramatically expands immigration arrests nationwide, deploying thousands of officers under a mass deportation campaign that is already reshaping enforcement tactics in cities such as Minneapolis."

and long may it continue ,

14 minutes ago, Dan O said:

you're cherry picking parts of statements out of the full intent to try to justify lawlessness

I cherry picked the parts to show and explain why, they are NOT violating the 4th Amendment, as implied in the title & OP.

Don't need to repeat everything, just the 'important', pertinent parts to my thoughts expressed in the post. Unlike he OP, not reading or understanding what was actually in the memo.

13 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

just round them up and deport the lot of them asap no need for warrants or any of that nonsense

Yep, just off 'em all and let gawd sort 'em out!

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Yep, just off 'em all and let gawd sort 'em out!

exactly well said , you are finally making sense

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

exactly well said , you are finally making sense

Be careful what you wish for. Before you know it, you'll be the one somebody's coming for.

58 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Be careful what you wish for. Before you know it, you'll be the one somebody's coming for.

i don't think so somehow , but dream on

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

Considering the internal memo was just published recently indicating the appropriate warrant isnt needed and no cases have gone to court over it yet. You need to drop the ridiculous continual request for "case law". You have the 4th amendment which is easy to find. The memo is also on line contradicting the amendment have never studied the cases surrounding what is reasonable under the fourth amendment period got it

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

Considering the internal memo was just published recently indicating the appropriate warrant isnt needed and no cases have gone to court over it yet. You need to drop the ridiculous continual request for "case law". You have the 4th amendment which is easy to find. The memo is also on line contradicting the amendment

So you have never studied the case law surrounding the fourth amendment and what would constitute reasonableness. Nor have you studied any case law surrounding the fourth amendment and administrative warrants. I guess in your world, case law is ridiculous when it conflicts with your screeching.

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

regardless of age if he has no right to be there then he has to go ,

No one would bat an eye if thai authorities deported a kid due to overstay etc. I love how they pretend to care about these people.

38 minutes ago, blaze master said:

No one would bat an eye if thai authorities deported a kid due to overstay etc. I love how they pretend to care about these people.

They get hysterical over an illegal immigrant kid getting handcuffed by immigration officers, yet object to the deportation of illegal immigrants who include kiddie fiddlers and rapists, and become very quiet whenever an attack takes place

Troll post removed. Be civil please!

21 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

They get hysterical over an illegal immigrant kid getting handcuffed by immigration officers, yet object to the deportation of illegal immigrants who include kiddie fiddlers and rapists, and become very quiet whenever an attack takes place

All while standing on a perch of self assigned righteousness.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Wake us up when you're finished with your pseudo-intellectual posing, okay?😆

Looks like we have another one here that doesn't study, just screams

39 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

They get hysterical over an illegal immigrant kid getting handcuffed by immigration officers, yet object to the deportation of illegal immigrants who include kiddie fiddlers and rapists, and become very quiet whenever an attack takes place

If you started a topic about the Americans victimised by criminal illegal aliens it would immediately be deflected to something about Trump or Nazis or some activist who put themselves in harm's way by obstructing law enforcement.

49 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

They get hysterical over an illegal immigrant kid getting handcuffed by immigration officers, yet object to the deportation of illegal immigrants who include kiddie fiddlers and rapists, and become very quiet whenever an attack takes place

Similar in sentiment to just shoot them all and let God sort out the bad ones from the good ones.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

If you started a topic about the Americans victimised by criminal illegal aliens it would immediately be deflected to something about Trump or Nazis or some activist who put themselves in harm's way by obstructing law enforcement.

Well, it's good to see that at least you're making a distinction between "criminal illegal aliens" and illegal aliens. An implicit acknowledgement that theres a difference. Maybe soon you'll come to recognize that illegal aliens have a lower crime rate than do native Americans.