1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The difference is at least 8 million. That's the difference between the total number of Jews in the world and how many Jews live in Israel. In other words, stop equating Israeli Jews or Israel with all Jews.

A muslim is a muslim, when do a jew stop to be a jew? Do you see ?

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

A muslim is a muslim, when do a jew stop to be a jew? Do you see ?

Here is what you wrote:

53 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Every minority or belief system, gays, or anyone who went against the system have faced persecution?

Still it doesn't mean Israelis on behalf of a religion makes historically claims, that no other minority have been given ever in history, and continue to do exactly what was done against themselves.

There is no black and white, but claiming and living up to you are gods people will take a toll on every Jew wherever they are, with no exemption.

Ask a Muslim about how they being treated because what other Muslims do in Allahs name?

I'm asking what is the difference?

You are equating Israelis with Jews. There are more Jews in the world who are not Israelis than those who are.

5 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

You don't understand "instigated" ?

Not sure what you are trying to say.

But you posted:

"Instigation: Jewish leadership accused and pressed Pilate.

Decision & Execution: Rome judged, sentenced, and killed."

As if you were quoting from a historical record.

I know, you were taught certain things in Sunday school but...

There is no historical record of any events surrounding the death of Jesus.

There are a group of inconsistent stories and you are referring to them as if they are somehow historical.

There is no historical record to support the story that Jewish leadership accused and pressed Pilate.

There is no historical record to support the story that Rome judged, sentenced, and killed Jesus.

There is actually no historical record that he was crucified.

But if he was, that was a Roman punishment.

So the original post that I responded to, that the Jews killed Jesus, is untrue.

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Not sure what you are trying to say.

But you posted:

"Instigation: Jewish leadership accused and pressed Pilate.

Decision & Execution: Rome judged, sentenced, and killed."

As if you were quoting from a historical record.

I know, you were taught certain things in Sunday school but...

There is no historical record of any events surrounding the death of Jesus.

There are a group of inconsistent stories and you are referring to them as if they are somehow historical.

There is no historical record to support the story that Jewish leadership accused and pressed Pilate.

There is no historical record to support the story that Rome judged, sentenced, and killed Jesus.

There is actually no historical record that he was crucified.

But if he was, that was a Roman punishment.

So the original post that I responded to, that the Jews killed Jesus, is untrue.

• Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John): Written decades after the events, they describe the Sanhedrin questioning Jesus and then presenting him to Pilate. These are theological narratives, not courtroom transcripts.

Are you suggesting everything in the Gospels should ignored?

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The question is, when was this? What is the real year zero?

Doesn't matter what the year was , about 4000 years ago though

15 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

• Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, John): Written decades after the events, they describe the Sanhedrin questioning Jesus and then presenting him to Pilate. These are theological narratives, not courtroom transcripts.

Are you suggesting everything in the Gospels should ignored?

AS you say:

"These are theological narratives, not courtroom transcripts."

As theological narratives there is no argument, fire at will.

As to supporting any particular events, yes everything in the Gospels should ignored.

Nothing in the Gospels can be taken at face value.

They are not historical accounts.

Believe as you wish, but your beliefs are not a basis for historical claims.

The discussion here is about who killed Jesus of Nazareth.

That is unknown and unknowable as a historical question.

Again, it is unknown and unknowable who killed Jesus of Nazareth.

Again, you have admitted that the Gospels are theological narratives, not historical accounts.

Easy to agree with that.

edit: just realized that you are the... "person" who posted

"Having murdered him"

So that is far beyond a theological claim and it is not an innocent statement.

Time to agree to disagree don't you think?

For some reason billions of people worldwide seem to love belonging to some cult rather than being bothered with educating and thinking for themselves. Believe what you are told, do as you are told..and be sure and brainwash your spawn to do the same.

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Here is what you wrote:

You are equating Israelis with Jews. There are more Jews in the world who are not Israelis than those who are.

And what do we do when we discuss muslims? Do we discuss their origin, the Islam community they belong to, or do we separate them in to where they belong? Sunni, Shia, and all other branches and countries ? It is a delicate theme

33 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Doesn't matter what the year was , about 4000 years ago though

I believe some tribes believed in a monistic god long time before that as well. People who didn't call themselves people of Judea which later became jewish.

On 2/22/2026 at 10:44 AM, pomchop said:

According to many who were brainwashed from childhood to believe all sorts of magical miracles Jesus was a blonde haired blue eyed guy that one of these days will return to kick some serious ass....the fact is that if a Jesus actually did return to earth and show up at the doorstep of most american christians they would not let him in and call ICE to detain and deport him.

I agree, all the Jesus paintings seem to show Kenny Loggins.

On 2/22/2026 at 1:02 PM, Yagoda said:

I love the way the thought of Jewish people just consumes some of the lesser elements of society. Some folks always hate their betters.

I never expected to agree so wholeheartedly with you Yagoda but you hit the nail on the head with this one.

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Of course it is baiting. A visit to some other topics will show what I would term a malicious intent. It isn't discussion, nor opinion, despite the attempt made to pass it as such. The attempt to twist the murder of Charlie Kirk into something it is not and to take the comment of his grieving widow out of context is offensive.

I expect that the hating brigade has a need to mention Israel or juden to satiate a blood lust. Rather tiresome. Malcolm would be proud.

I'd sorry to have offended you but perhaps you are easily offended.

No blood lust from me. I'm a pacifist. Who the hell is Malcolm?

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Why does it have different rules for jews or Israelis? Isrealis is in the heat for what they do and not do!

What is the difference?

The difference is Israel's govt is the one demolishing Gaza with ultimate brutality. Same for Russia? Absolutely nothing to do with Judaism. I quoted an Xian fanatic.

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

That's a great name -- Flavius Josephus.

Fake news and fake historians have existed for a long time.

There are several arguments suggesting Jesus was fabricated.

For one thing, even AI admits that the Jesus story has an uncanny resemblance to a mythological god that existed long before Jesus.

Coincidence? Or did they just copy and paste it into the Bible and change the name?

I sure like wine...and ecstasy!

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Every minority or belief system, gays, or anyone who went against the system have faced persecution?

Still it doesn't mean Israelis on behalf of a religion makes historically claims, that no other minority have been given ever in history, and continue to do exactly what was done against themselves.

There is no black and white, but claiming and living up to you are gods people will take a toll on every Jew wherever they are, with no exemption.

Of course, gays have always been persecuted. To single out the Jews as targets for persecution is nonsense. How about the Xian Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition?

We're talking about today. Today, Israel in monstrous and, to my mind, that has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

24 minutes ago, Hummin said:

People who didn't call themselves people of Judea which later became jewish.

Pardon .

Could you say that again ?

3 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Of course, gays have always been persecuted. To single out the Jews as targets for persecution is nonsense. How about the Xian Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition?

We're talking about today. Today, Israel in monstrous and, to my mind, that has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

If it have everything to do about the promised land? What then?

This extensive discussion has enabled convincement in me. I have welcomed...Dionysus into my heart.

6 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

We're talking about today. Today, Israel in monstrous and, to my mind, that has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Have you noticed all the other wars currently going on in the World ?

But honestly, couldnt you give it a rest about the war in Gaza ?

Theres plenty of threads about the Gaza war where you can go on about war crimes and genocide and concertration camps

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Pardon .

Could you say that again ?

What is unclear ? I said there where religion before Judeaism started, which is simular to what later became a monistic religion.

The people of Judea generally became known as "Jews" during the Babylonian exile and the subsequent Persian period, roughly

between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE. Following the destruction of the first Temple (586 BCE) and the return to rebuild it (c. 515 BCE), the inhabitants shifted from identifying solely as Israelites to Judeans, and eventually Jews, while adopting Torah-based, monotheistic practices

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

What is unclear ? I said there where religion before Judeaism started, which is simular to what later became a monistic religion.

The people of Judea generally became known as "Jews" during the Babylonian exile and the subsequent Persian period, roughly

between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE. Following the destruction of the first Temple (586 BCE) and the return to rebuild it (c. 515 BCE), the inhabitants shifted from identifying solely as Israelites to Judeans, and eventually Jews, while adopting Torah-based, monotheistic practices

Again there are three ABRAHAMIC religions. Judaism was the first.

Next.

...

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

What is unclear ? I said there where religion before Judeaism started, which is simular to what later became a monistic religion.

The people of Judea generally became known as "Jews" during the Babylonian exile and the subsequent Persian period, roughly

between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE. Following the destruction of the first Temple (586 BCE) and the return to rebuild it (c. 515 BCE), the inhabitants shifted from identifying solely as Israelites to Judeans, and eventually Jews, while adopting Torah-based, monotheistic practices

OK, so Jews originate from the West bank/Judea .

The West bank is the Jewish homeland

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again there are three ABRAHAMIC religions. Judaism was the first.

Next.

...

You guys dont make it easy for yourself, but enough about that. Way should I care at all. Ridiculous

Just now, Hummin said:

You guys dont make it easy for yourself, but enough about that. Way should I care at all. Ridiculous

You guys?

There we go.

BINGO.

I stated a basic fact and you slip an insult to an entire (actually very diverse) people basically blaming them for their own persecution as you have done before here.

That makes sense.

If you don't care, why are you posting here?ii

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You guys?

There we go.

BINGO.

I stated a fact and you slip an insult to an retire people basically blaming them for their own persecution as you have done before here.

That makes sense.

If you don't care, why are you posting here?

And there you go showing how sensitive you guys are, yes you guys.

It is okay to paint with big brushes elsewhere, but at once it is about you guys, it is like hell broke loose, and shows exactly what I have tried to explain about the problem here, but non of you guys manage to take it. You guys means you and Nick here for an instance when I write, but here we go. Nick doesnt admitt one wrong doing by the israeli government, discuss every matter to the dead end, and you as well do not take criticism very well when it comes to jews in general for their belief in one god who have chosen the jews as his people, and the israelis fighting for the promised land as an end goal. It is in the prophecy.

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And there you go showing how sensitive you guys are, yes you guys.

It is okay to paint with big brushes elsewhere, but at once it is about you guys, it is like hell broke loose, and shows exactly what I have tried to explain about the problem here, but non of you guys manage to take it. You guys means you and Nick here for an instance when I write, but here we go. Nick doesnt admitt one wrong doing by the israeli government, discuss every matter to the dead end, and you as well do not take criticism very well when it comes to jews in general for their belief in one god who have chosen the jews as his people, and the israelis fighting for the promised land as an end goal. It is in the prophecy.

There you go again with using the chosen people and promised land things as a crude cudgel to obviously suggest all Jews deserve disdain.

That's not criticism. That's an ignorant agenda to rationalize antisemitism.

You have more in common with Tucker Carlson than you think

35 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Of course, gays have always been persecuted.

Not in every culture. Sparta, National Socialism.....

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You guys means you and Nick here for an instance when I write,

Stop there ,

Can you clarify what you men by "you guys" ?

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And there you go showing how sensitive you guys are, yes you guys.

Who guys? All racism and antisemitism is unacceptable. Except tp the Left

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

There you go again with using the chosen people and promised land as a cudgel to obviously suggest all Jews deserve disdain.

That's not criticism. That's an ignorant agenda to justify antisemitism.

So if I say all muslims wants to take over the world, Im wrong then? Muslims wants to kill all jews ?

I know better, and thats why I do not personally mean every jew believs the same either, but it is a root of the reason whey so many think like that.

The strange thing, muslims accept every other book religion, christians do not accept Allah which means god, but it is the Muslim god, and Judaism do not accept Jesus, nor the muslims.

It is like killing the messenger!

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

So if I say all muslims wants to take over the world, Im wrong then? Muslims wants to kill all jews ?

I know better, and thats why I do not personally mean every jew believs the same either, but it is a root of the reason whey so many think like that.

The strange thing, muslims accept every other book religion, christians do not accept Allah which means god, but it is the Muslim god, and Judaism do not accept Jesus, nor the muslims.

It is like killing the messenger!

Oh my God, how can you be so DENSE!?!

Islam and Christianity came AFTER Judaism so it was logical to address previous ABRHAMIC religions.

Judaism as the first had nothing to address in that way.

This seems to be a black hole in your brain that you refuse to process.

DUH!

I've really had enough already, This is going in an endless loop. No more engagement with you. BYE.