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World Cup stars take on the manosphere

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3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You simply see racism where it doesn't exist. Because your demand for it is outstripping the supply. A strange phenomenon.

Im not saying those things about you.

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    Only for those pushing a specific narrative. 😄 I presume the author of this article hasn't heard of Mason Greenwood, Rafa Mir, Achraf Hakimi etc. The article is a wonderful example of narrative fra

  • Bday Prang
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    Spot on as usual Johnny, where is the retching emoji when we need it ?

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    Says a guy parading his own narrative. Chin up Jonny Bellingham saved England’s bacon in the final minutes of the game. What a fantastic achievement, he’s arguably the proudest and most celebrated

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1 minute ago, blaze master said:

Im not saying those things about you.

Sure sounded like you were.

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5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The self confessed racist continues to throw the label at others.

Bravo Ray. Bravo. 😄

If the shoe fits, Jonny ...

How you getting along in formulating a response to my question?

  1. Black people and their descendants are not ethnically English because they are not from one of the indigenous tribes of England.

  2. Normans, Vikings and Romans (and others) and their descendants are not ethnically English because they are not from one of the indigenous tribes of England.

Do you think that both of these statements are true? If not, please explain why statement 1) is true and statement 2) false.

No diversion into DEI policies, alleged hatred of whites or other such nonsense. Stick to the questions posed and answer them.

40 minutes ago, RayC said:

  1. Black people and their descendants are not ethnically English because they are not from one of the indigenous tribes of England.

It's true that they are not ethnically English. But not for the reason you stated. It's because they have no historic links to England whatsoever, unless you consider a few decades (at the most) out of tens of thousands of years to be "historic".

Black people have many ethnicities, Nigerian, Igbo, Kenyan, Haitian etc. English is not one of them. Any black person would confirm this, most are proud of their heritage and would be extremely insulted at you claiming they are ethnically English rather than Nigerian or whatever. Go tell Anthony Joshua he is not in fact ethnically Nigerian (Yoruba) as he claims, he is ethnically English. Tell him he is wrong to claim Nigerian ethnicity. See if your race baiting helps in that situation Ray. 😄

40 minutes ago, RayC said:
  1. Normans, Vikings and Romans (and others) and their descendants are not ethnically English because they are not from one of the indigenous tribes of England.

Not true. The English ethnic group developed from a mixture of indigenous Britons, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans etc. Rough estimates are 65% indigenous tribes, 25% Anglo-Saxon, 10% the rest (Viking/Norse/Norman).

0% African. Hence, black players are not ethnically English. Anthony Joshua is not ethnically English. Don't believe me, ask him yourself. From the video below. "I come from the Yoruba people, the largest ethnic group in Africa".

'I AM PROUDLY NIGERIAN', ANTHONY JOSHUA SAYS AS HE DELIVERS POWERFUL SPEECH AT THE COMMONWEALTH DAY

You better tell him he's wrong, Raymond. You know his ethnicity better than he does. 😄

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Sure sounded like you were.

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I was talking about CH.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's true that they are not ethnically English. But not for the reason you stated. It's because they have no historic links to England whatsoever, unless you consider a few decades (at the most) out of tens of thousands of years to be "historic".

Talk about moving the goalposts! You are now attempting to change the definition of 'Ethnic English' which you yourself put forward!😂

Notwithstanding that error - which rather puts the kibosh on your whole argument - how long does an individual have to live in England for them to have "historic links" and therefore, to be considered "ethnically English"? Using your revised definition, why shouldn't the descendents of black slaves/ servants brought to England in the 18th/19th century be considered 'Ethnically English'? Is that too recent?

Btw: The Vikings and Normans did not arrive in England "tens of thousands of years ago".

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Black people have many ethnicities, Nigerian, Igbo, Kenyan, Haitian etc. English is not one of them. Any black person would confirm this, most are proud of their heritage and would be extremely insulted at you claiming they are ethnically English rather than Nigerian or whatever. Go tell Anthony Joshua he is not in fact ethnically Nigerian (Yoruba) as he claims, he is ethnically English. Tell him he is wrong to claim Nigerian ethnicity. See if your race baiting helps in that situation Ray. 😄

I'm not - and have never - suggested that black people are 'ethnically English'. You introduced the phrase into the conversation. I have said all along that the phrase is essentially meaningless in 21st century England as so few people have a 100% blood line dating back to the indigenous tribes of England who are, by definition, ethnically English.

Once you argue that those descendants of immigrant Norman blood are 'Ethnically English', you must also allow for the possibility that those of other immigrant groups such as Nigerian, Igbo, Kenyan, Haitian etc. can also be 'ethnically English'. As I say, the phrase becomes effectively meaningless.

I use the term, 'identity' which covers both nationality and ethnic background. Therefore, I don't deny Andrew Joshua - or any other black person - either their African identity or their British (English) one.

I'm not - and never have been - the one race-baiting, Jonny, you are.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Not true. The English ethnic group developed from a mixture of indigenous Britons, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans etc. Rough estimates are 65% indigenous tribes, 25% Anglo-Saxon, 10% the rest (Viking/Norse/Norman).

0% African. Hence, black players are not ethnically English. Anthony Joshua is not ethnically English. Don't believe me, ask him yourself. From the video below. "I come from the Yoruba people, the largest ethnic group in Africa".

'I AM PROUDLY NIGERIAN', ANTHONY JOSHUA SAYS AS HE DELIVERS POWERFUL SPEECH AT THE COMMONWEALTH DAY

You better tell him he's wrong, Raymond. You know his ethnicity better than he does. 😄

You are now trying to completely redefine not just accepted terminology, but also the terminology which you proposed in the first place!

Once again, we return to the same issue. The Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Normans were not indigenous to England; they were invaders and immigrants. How then - apart from skin colour and timing - do they differ from latter-day immigrants from Africa and Asia? If you allow for Anglo-Saxons, Normans and Vikings to be incorporated into - and shape the culture of - an 'Ethnic English group ', why then should these later groups of immigrants be excluded from being members of that group and shaping its' culture?

So much twisting and turning, Jonny. You are tying yourself in knots trying to defend the indefensible. I'm (almost) feeling embarrassed for you.

Logically, you have a simple binary choice: Either admit to your racism or disown it.

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Meanwhile, back in the rugby world:

England Ready to Walk Off Over Racist Abuse in Argentina

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England's rugby team will consider walking off the pitch if any of their players are subjected to racist abuse during Saturday's Test against Argentina, captain Jamie George has warned. The unprecedented stance follows racist incidents directed at England's black players during last year's tour, with the squad determined there will be no repeat.

Last Year's Abuse Still Looms Large

George was part of the England side in San Juan last July when prop Asher Opoku-Fordjour and back-row forward Chandler Cunningham-South were targeted by racist slurs from sections of the home crowd during the warm-up and first half.

England lodged an official complaint with World Rugby, but an investigation failed to identify those responsible. George said the experience remains one of the most disturbing moments of his career despite not being personally targeted.

Plan B Is Already in Place

England have now discussed contingency plans should similar abuse occur again, including leaving the field in protest. George said any response would be made collectively, with black members of the squad helping shape the team's approach.

He stressed that racism has "no place in rugby, sport or society" and said protecting teammates would take priority over the match itself. The captain added he hopes the measures will never be needed after assurances from the Argentine Rugby Union that steps have been taken to prevent further incidents.

Argentina Test Carries Extra Edge

The fixture arrives just days after England's football team suffered a painful World Cup semi-final defeat to Argentina, raising expectations of a hostile atmosphere in Santiago del Estero.

Argentina head into the match after recovering from defeat to Scotland with victory over Wales, while England are looking to end a demanding season on a positive note after losing five of their last six Tests.

Pressure Builds Before World Cup Countdown

Head coach Steve Borthwick has backed George's stance, insisting discrimination of any kind must never be tolerated. Beyond the off-field concerns, England also face growing scrutiny over their progress before the 2027 Rugby World Cup.

Victory would provide a timely boost after a difficult campaign. But defeat, coupled with any repeat of last year's ugly scenes, would leave England confronting far bigger questions than the result alone.

England rugby players may walk off pitch in Argentina if racist abuse is repeated

Hopefully, there won't be any racial abuse but if there is, perhaps, the England players could leave the field in the direction of where the abuse was coming from. They could then "invite" the perpetrators to "discuss matters", although given that collectively the England XV will have somewhere in the region of 1000kg of solid muscle in their ranks, I doubt that many will take up the invitation.

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5 hours ago, RayC said:

ethnically English

what is "ethnically American" then?

20 minutes ago, kwilco said:

what is "ethnically American" then?

That depends what definition you want to employ. Imo anyone descended from the indigenous tribes of the US.

30 minutes ago, RayC said:

That depends what definition you want to employ. Imo anyone descended from the indigenous tribes of the US.

so what's ethnically English then?

8 minutes ago, kwilco said:

so what's ethnically English then?

Someone descended from the indigenous tribes of England. Essentially meaningless when referring to living Englishmen as we are a bunch of mongrels.

I think that you would be better off addressing your questions to @JonnyF He places greater importance on the concept of ethnicity than I do.

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

what is "ethnically American" then?

The US is not an "old" country ... it's the new world.

It's a melting pot, so there is no ethnicity.

So ancestry / ethnicity of the US national teams is not as prominent as with teams from the old world.

It's not about "racism". It's just not the same thing being in a country and rooting for a team where everyone shares the same ancestry. There's a common "bond" with fellow ancestors that doesn't exist with just sharing the same passport as someone.

I was following a European team where my ancestors are from. That's very different. There's an ancestral connection.

Regarding Jude Bellingham, people from Jamaica should be celebrating as much as anyone from England. Because a half-Jamaican boy has become one of the top players in FIFA. So Jamaicans should be proud. The Bob Marley of FIFA. Be proud, Jamaica.

Both can celebrate. English fans and people from Jamaica, who will never have their own team.

It's the way it is now.

Except the France team seems a bit over the top, with only 1 white French non-African player. Seems a bit silly to me. And again here, African folks should celebrate Mbappe cuz that's where's he from.

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1 hour ago, RayC said:

Someone descended from the indigenous tribes of England

so who do you think they are?

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The US is not an "old" country

it's older than Italy and Germany

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The US is not an "old" country

It's older than Italy and Germany. What about the pre-Columbian nations? - Indigenous peoples, Native Americans, American Indians, or First Nations. e,g - The US government recognizes 574 distinct Native American tribes and Alaska Native entities

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2 hours ago, kwilco said:

what is "ethnically American" then?

Maybe people should geek out on ancestry a bit more.

Because it's not the same as which passport you hold.

Lionel Messi has Italian ancestry.

So Italians should celebrate one of the greatest players of all time being of their ancestry, even though taking up a different nationality. His family emigrated to Argentina, but they were Italian.

Same with Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player ever. He was "Canadian", but with Russian ancestry. The greatest hockey player of all time was basically Russian.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe people should geek out on ancestry a bit more.

Because it's not the same as which passport you hold.

Lionel Messi has Italian ancestry.

So Italians should celebrate one of the greatest players of all time being of their ancestry, even though taking up a different nationality. His family emigrated to Argentina, but they were Italian.

Same with Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player ever. He was "Canadian", but with Russian ancestry. The greatest hockey player of all time was basically Russian.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe people should geek out on ancestry a bit more.

Because it's not the same as which passport you hold.

Lionel Messi has Italian ancestry.

So Italians should celebrate one of the greatest players of all time being of their ancestry, even though taking up a different nationality. His family emigrated to Argentina, but they were Italian.

Same with Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player ever. He was "Canadian", but with Russian ancestry. The greatest hockey player of all time was basically Russian.

Messi has an Italian passport. He holds dual Argentine and Italian citizenship

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This is hilarious.

Someone compiled the "religious" backgrounds of Spain's team.

All Christians, except one guy is Judaism and the superstar is Muslim.

Netanyahu and Israel supporting Argentina because Messi has some ties with Israel.

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Sure sounded like you were.

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If the cap fits Jonny.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Same with Wayne Gretzky, the greatest hockey player ever. He was "Canadian", but with Russian ancestry. The greatest hockey player of all time was basically Russian

actually ovechkin is arguably greater and hes a real russian

13 hours ago, blaze master said:

I was talking about CH.

You should grow a set and be more direct.

Don’t be so coy and try not to disguise your digs, for what they are worth.

4 hours ago, RayC said:

That depends what definition you want to employ. Imo anyone descended from the indigenous tribes of the US.

I would say those are ethnically of the First Nations.

America is a nation of immigrants founded after the First Nations, it has no defined ethnicity.

One American is as American as the next.

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You should grow a set and be more direct.

Don’t be so coy and try not to disguise your digs, for what they are worth.

You don't deserve it. Bye.

4 minutes ago, blaze master said:

You don't deserve it. Bye.

I agree, your accusations are baseless nonsense.

9 hours ago, RayC said:

Hopefully, there won't be any racial abuse but if there is, perhaps, the England players could leave the field in the direction of where the abuse was coming from. They could then "invite" the perpetrators to "discuss matters", although given that collectively the England XV will have somewhere in the region of 1000kg of solid muscle in their ranks, I doubt that many will take up the invitation.

Maybe you could explain to Anthony Joshua that he is not ethnically Nigerian as he claims but is in fact ethnically English.

Tell him to stop being such a massive fake. You know his ethnicity, not him.

Remove the Africa tattoo. Stop celebrating his heritage. Stop with all that "Nigerian" baloney. Stop with those projects in his homeland. He's ethnically English. You can tell just by looking at him. 😀

Tell him Ray. His Nigerian pride is interfering with your boomer leftist one world, no borders, no ethnicity narrative. 😀

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If the cap fits Jonny.

Your anti semite, anti white, DEI racist cap certainly fits your head Higgot.

Fits like a glove.

Given that England's brief success (you understandably shot your load over Bellingham too early) with their majority black team was hailed by you and the left in general as a win for diversity, does their defeat to largely homogenous Argentina, and ultra diverse (well, almost entirely black) France's defeat to largely homogenous Spain, count as a defeat for diversity?

Or does it only work in one direction?

Asking for a friend.

5 hours ago, RayC said:

Someone descended from the indigenous tribes of England. Essentially meaningless when referring to living Englishmen as we are a bunch of mongrels.

I think that you would be better off addressing your questions to @JonnyF He places greater importance on the concept of ethnicity than I do.

"Mongrels".

Racist Ray continues his nasty campaign of ethnic deconstruction and anti white racism.

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