Harrassed By Ftpa In Walking Street

[alexth]

And you wonder why Howard won't have a civil discussion on TPV at TV? (mocking him with photos and being disrespectful for starters) I'm waiting for him to be burned at the stake for much to do about nothing.

I have to agree with you on this one. Very mature pics by the way...

[britmaveric]

For anyone who is whinging about Howard - he is easily accessible and quite happily chat with you in person. Go chat with him about your concerns, however I doubt most are not interested and would rather just whinge online about him.

[anothertorres]

And you wonder why Howard won't have a civil discussion on TPV at TV? (mocking him with photos and being disrespectful for starters) I'm waiting for him to be burned at the stake for much to do about nothing. dry.gif

i don't wonder about that at all. the internet sucks and it's absolutely no kinda place to have an honest discussion. i should probably be banned for doing my best to derail this thread because like it's been said, this is much ado about nothing.

i've become way out of line and in the morning, i'll probably regret putting a pancake on some guy's head. but, alas, i have another chocolate muffin waiting for me and i hope i still have my account on TV and i will be able to give you all the most pertinant update as to the outcome.

Edited March 5, 2009 by anothertorres

[deon]

Well i thought those pics was class had me lmao, there is nothing worse than a pp. ie plastic want to be p.... .Give them abit of power and it goes right to there heads.

And in those black uniforms well i am not going to say what they look like but its just as in some of those pics, i wonder if he like the bnp lmao.

Though if i had someone take pics of me or follow me around i would ask them what they are up to or what there problem is .But then again i dont think it would happen .As i dont walk about with a huge power trip coming of me, you could see it in how he and some of the others walk .Alot like the cso you get in the uk they want to be p..s but they dont have the brains .Well it was the pancake on some guy's head which made me lmao along with the other pics .

Edited March 5, 2009 by deon

[seri thai]

The guy on top looks as if he loves puppies.

Actually its Erich Rohm, and little boys were his thing; allegedly...

(The top picture that is)

[Mobi]

Here is an excerpt from a post I made on another Pattaya thread a few weeks ago which is undoubtedly relevant to the current discussion:

'As for Tourist police, well there is an article in this week's Pattaya Times that the head of Pattaya's immigration Police has launched an investigation to "Clean up the police volunteers" and to "remove any undesirables or criminals who may have infiltrated the otherwise helpful volunteer group" The police Chief further said "At the moment, we are keeping an eye on the foreign volunteers to see if they are operating within the limits of their duties. We have heard of Mafia related problems being linked to the foreign volunteers......" ..... "there have been many reports of volunteers seeking to take advantage of their superior status"

The Immigration chief had previously stated that "...his first objective is to rid the city of any corrupt foreign police volunteers and to check the background of all foreign volunteers, including the leaders....."

I doubt that you will see any reference to these interviews in Pattaya Today, Pattaya People or Pattaya Mail due to a possible "conflict of interest"

I reiterate that the above quotes were made by the Chief of Pattaya immigration.

Over to you Howard......

[Jingthing]

The guy on top looks as if he loves puppies.

Actually its Erich Rohm, and little boys were his thing; allegedly...

(The top picture that is)

Oy vey. I betcha he loved puppies too.

[prefabs]

Here is an excerpt from a post I made on another Pattaya thread a few weeks ago which is undoubtedly relevant to the current discussion:

'As for Tourist police, well there is an article in this week's Pattaya Times that the head of Pattaya's immigration Police has launched an investigation to "Clean up the police volunteers" and to "remove any undesirables or criminals who may have infiltrated the otherwise helpful volunteer group" The police Chief further said "At the moment, we are keeping an eye on the foreign volunteers to see if they are operating within the limits of their duties. We have heard of Mafia related problems being linked to the foreign volunteers......" ..... "there have been many reports of volunteers seeking to take advantage of their superior status"

The Immigration chief had previously stated that "...his first objective is to rid the city of any corrupt foreign police volunteers and to check the background of all foreign volunteers, including the leaders....."

I doubt that you will see any reference to these interviews in Pattaya Today, Pattaya People or Pattaya Mail due to a possible "conflict of interest"

I reiterate that the above quotes were made by the Chief of Pattaya immigration.

Over to you Howard......

Be fair now, Howard also wrote next to the same article that the Immigration Chief didn't mean his boys. Must be someone else's boys, I imagine. Wonder who? That statement may come back to haunt him someday, but I hope not just now.

Howard is actually good value and if he didn't have his gang around him he wouldn't have so much negative publicity. Might be a good time to rethink the positives v negatives of the whole situation.

[merck]

Is it correct that many of these "tourist police" are ex-cons and have criminal records from their own countries?

I got the following post from another message board where they were discussing the phenomenon of farang police volunteers. It was posted by a farang journalist (Andrew Drummond, I seem to recall) based in Thailand:

"I sent a Thai reporter to interview some Pattaya tourist police once, just as an excercise mind you.

She got some interesting stuff varied from walter mitty's (one Brit had a card saying he did diplomatic security which clearly did not check out) to others who all had an angle.

One had convictions abroad for kidnap and pimping (beat up one of his girls).

Another had a complaint against him at the British Embassy for using as stun gun against a farang during a police interview.

Another ran a business advising arrested foreigners on how much they needed to pay to have charges dropped (of which he took a cut).

And of course there are the local paper boys whom I presume are in it because they can be there when the news happened, Pattaya Mail, Pattaya City News, Pattaya People, all have members in the volunteer police..."

[expatgaz]

You said you wouldn't reply but your reading all the posts aren't you ???

Says it all really.I reiterate my earlier post that these FPV are total muppets on power trips.

EPG.

[allexx]

Mr. Miller... please.

The Tourist Police "headquarters" is set up in a dominant position in an open public area free for all to see. What exactly is Mr. Miller afraid of?

I would like to ask Mr. Miller the following:

1. On what authority was I being questioned by you and your assistant?

2. Is there a law in Thailand against taking video in Walking Street?

3. Is there a law against taking video of a group of foreigners in uniform?

4. If there is why didn't you ask one of your Thai police superiors to speak to me?

5. Mr. Harrison was out of uniform and presumably off-duty so in what capacity was he assisting you in your interrogation?

[expatgaz]

Helping people isn't a power trip, it's benevolence. Go see HM and tell him and rest of the volunteers your thoughts.

I have absolutely no problem with telling them my thoughts.Helping people....thats very debatable.Iam still struggling to get my head round your comment.Do you think when a bunch of muppets put on black shirts and where a badge they turn into Mike Tyson or what ??

EPG.

[Spee]

5. Mr. Harrison was out of uniform and presumably off-duty so in what capacity was he assisting you in your interrogation?

From the evidence in the discussion and the youtube video, it seems this was hardly an "interrogation" in the context that you appear to imply. I don't like being photographed or videographed in a public place any more than the next person. But jeez, whatever happened to tolerance and live and let live? Much ado about nothing. Get over it.

[PhilHarries]

Obviously posting this image has boosted your ego and made you feel like a real man insulting another within the anonymous safety of the internet. However in your rush to stick the cyber knife in you patently missed the "Australian war memorial reproduction not permitted".

For anyone who is whinging about Howard - he is easily accessible and quite happily chat with you in person. Go chat with him about your concerns, however I doubt most are not interested and would rather just whinge online about him.

They won't do that, they lack the cojones when you get them away from their computer safe behind the barb wire and their wives/girlfriends.

I have no particular feelings for these pseudo cop guys but a couple of questions.

Why, given all the other attractions of WS, was this guy videoing the tourist police volunteer assistants?

Wierd if you ask me.

Other than walking down the street looking like a bunch of wannabe fascist cowboys at high noon what were these guys doing wrong?

If we are going to slag off every wierdo in Pattaya that is going to be a very l-l-l-l-o-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-n-n-g-g-g-g-g-g thread starting with people who video complete strangers in public.

No, much as I am not enamoured with these fancy dress cops, I still think this was a set up to provoke a reaction knowing these guys reputation.

Edited March 6, 2009 by soundman

[soundman]

Personal attacks & pictures making comparissons to persons involved in attrocities in another era are way out of bounds. Those pictures & replies have been removed.

Since I highly doubt many of you know Howard personally, I would appreciate if you all would debate this topic on the facts & reports. The next person who posts a personal attack on HM will be granted a vacation from Thai Visa.

[sriracha john]

Thank you, soundman. The photos did exceed the bounds of a reasonable discussion and detracts from ever hoping to get reasonable answers to reasonable questions, which, as far as I'm concerned is all that I am after.

In fact , a statement by the Police Chief in a public Newspaper (Pattaya Times) stated that these 'Volunteers' Have "NO Authority" except as Translators. But, that is not what is being demonstrated by them from what I have seen on the posts & videos.

'As for Tourist police, well there is an article in this week's Pattaya Times that the head of Pattaya's immigration Police has launched an investigation to "Clean up the police volunteers" and to "remove any undesirables or criminals who may have infiltrated the otherwise helpful volunteer group" The police Chief further said "At the moment, we are keeping an eye on the foreign volunteers to see if they are operating within the limits of their duties. We have heard of Mafia related problems being linked to the foreign volunteers......" ..... "there have been many reports of volunteers seeking to take advantage of their superior status"

The Immigration chief had previously stated that "...his first objective is to rid the city of any corrupt foreign police volunteers and to check the background of all foreign volunteers, including the leaders....."

The problem with the contention their duties are limited to translators or other superficial activities is that it is contradicted with other evidence in that their role takes on activities far removed from translation...

PATTAYA VOLUNTEER POLICE INDULGE IN UZBEK STING OPERATION

Undercover Pattaya Tourist Police pretend to solicit sex from foreign women. Four women from Republic of Uzbekistan were arrested.

On the 22nd May 2007, at 02:30 am, Pol. Lt. Col. Withichart Luensukan, Tourist Police Inspector of Pattaya, and his team, planned an operation to nab Uzbek Prostitutes around the night time entertainment areas. The undercover Pattaya Tourist Police officers managed to arrest four ladies who were offering their services.

The foreign undercover officers made arrangements with the four Uzbek women for sexual services at the Pattaya Inn Hotel, Soi B.J., Walking Street, South Pattaya, Nongprue, Banglamung, Chonburi, Rooms 203, 206 and 207. When the love making sessions were concluded, the prostitutes asked for 2,000 baht each. The undercover representatives gave a total of 8,000 baht to the women, and the police placed them under arrest.

The four Uzbek women accused of prostitution, were: Mrs. HAMAROEVA DILBAR (23), Mrs. UMEDA KUVONDIKOVA (29), Mrs. GULHAN KURBANNBAEVA (23) and Mrs. LOLA ERGASHVA (31). All four ladies confessed that they have been coming to Pattaya as tourists. At night, they went to entertainment spots around Walking Street, South Pattaya, and approached foreign men offering sexual favors. They charged from 2,000 to 2,500 Baht. They have been doing this for quite a while. There are reportedly many women from Uzbekistan working as prostitutes in Pattaya.

The four ladies were arrested and charged with prostitution. South Pattaya Investigators will process the case according to the law.

- Pattaya Daily News / May 22, 2007

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With similar operations occuring since:

TWENTY-TWO MORE UZBEK PROSTITUTES ARRESTED IN PATTAYA

A large number of foreign females, who entered Thailand as tourists, but worked as prostitutes, were arrested.

On 14 June 2007, at 2:30 AM, several tourists complained to Pol.Col. Ithichai Ithisarnronachai, Pattaya Immigration Superintendent, that there were many Uzbek women offering sexual services around beer bars and entertainment places on Walking Street, South Pattaya.

The Chief of Police ordered Pol.Capt. Archeep Jaroensuk, Deputy Investigation Officer and a team of police officers, including twenty volunteers to clean up the situation. The police team arrested twenty-two Uzbek women who entered Thailand as tourists, but worked as prostitutes. Two of them had expired passports. The women were fined and a record was made of their offenses.

- Pattaya Daily News / June 14, 2007

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UNDERCOVER STING NETS THREE MORE UZBEK PROSTITUTES

The Pattaya Immigration Police sent foreign undercover police volunteers, in a sting operation, to purchase sexual services from Uzbek women. The police managed to nab three Uzbek prostitutes and two Thai men, who were their agents.

On 20 September 2007, at 2 AM, Police Colonel Ithiphol Ithisarn-ronachai, Pattaya Immigration Superintendent was informed of a Thai agency that provided Uzbek prostitutes to clients in Pattaya City. Pattaya Immigration set up a sting operation, along with Police Lieutenant Colonel Prasart Kemaprasit, Central Immigration Investigator, and sent three foreign undercover police volunteers to arrange for female prostitutes from the Thai agency.

The three foreign undercover volunteers, with 4500 baht in their pockets, met with Mr. Sathaporn Jaiyos (39), from Utaradit Province, and Mr. Amornsit Chainam (33), from Ubonrachathani Province, in front of the V.C. Hotel, in South Pattaya, to buy sexual services from three Uzbek women.

Mr. Sathaporn and Mr Amornsit took the foreign undercover operatives to meet the three Uzbek women, Miss Sattorova Nargiza (24), Miss Shoyimova Nilufar (27) and Miss Dinoza Allyeva (27), who were waiting for customers nearby. After negotiating the price, they all went to the Gulf Siam Hotel, in North Pattaya, and checked into Rooms 203, 205 and 206. A number of police officers were waiting in the hotel lobby. After some moments, the police appeared in the rooms and arrested the three Uzbek women and the two Thai men who had arranged for the assignations.

The three Uzbek women told police that they had come to Thailand, as tourists, so they could work as prostitutes. Five hundred out of the 1500 baht that the customer was charged went to the agency as a commission for arranging the sexual session. Police took all of them to the station to make a record. The women will be blacklisted so they cannot enter Thailand again. Pattaya Police will process the case according to the law.

Pattaya Daily News / September 21, 2007

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"After some moments, the police appeared in the rooms"

hmmmm... the women certainly had enough "moments" to get completely undressed:

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So is working undercover as "volunteer johns" in order to bust prostitution rings in their job description?

And if so, why do they not follow normal international police standards and stop the sting immediately after the money for sex deal is confirmed verbally?

Edited March 6, 2009 by sriracha john

[TexasRanger]

So is working undercover as "volunteer johns" in order to bust prostitution rings in their job description?

And if so, why do they not follow normal international police standards and stop the sting immediately after the money for sex deal is confirmed verbally?

You get these types all over the world, they can't get into the uniformed services so they go for something like this or the reserves, then when the real call to arms goes out they refuse to fight. They obviously get some miami vice kick out of pretending to be cops and victimising these Uzbec girls whilst the rest of Pattaya is teeming with Thai whores, the law here might get a little bit more respect if it was at least not so blatantly racist.

As for these guys acting as translators? I was sat in a bar in Pattaya a few months ago and heard their attempts to speak Thai..... nuff said.

I don't know what the video guys agenda is but if someone was taking pics or videos of me I would definitely approach him and ask why and you can be pretty sure he would be deleting the footage, I have sat in a bar with the wife watching the wonderful freak show that is walking street and have seen hundreds of tourists walking down the street filming as they go and this is OK for me but pointing a video camera at you and blatantly filming you is another thing altogether.

If you don't like the plastic police wannabe's then just ignore them or have a little chuckle to yourself, that's all you have to do.

[Quadra]

The next Training for Police (real Government appointed Officers with a rank of Asst. Superintendant & above) I am to present is 23rd March , I will be showing some of this material, as , I believe that it is pertinent to "Authority" as part of the International Interest in Tourism. The Training by the way , is for Government Officers only.

No judgement on my part as a Trainer , just the incredible emotiveness that people without ANY Authority can produce when all that is real .is what appears to be Commercial lnterests . Don't know if that is a fact , purely an observation.

I find it absolutely fascinating that people can 'Volunteer' a public service that has repurcussions of alleged intimidation "hands across a camera" etc, questioning of members of the public without a 'just cause' & a total lack of substantive Government Authority.

In fact , a statement by the Police Chief in a public Newspaper (Pattaya Times) stated that these 'Voulunteers' Have "NO Authority" except as Translators. But, that is not what is being demonstrated by them from what I have seen on the posts & videos.

An Observation.

I am always looking for material to use in classes & I have to admit that ALL the "POLICE ? Volunteer " groups provide a plethora of material here in Pattaya , some serious , some levity . Thank you for that.

I still have to ask though , are these organisations purely Civilian with Police approval within a very limited capacity??

I would appreciate an answer from someone with managerial knowledge & no boat to row nor axe to grind.

But, it is none of my business , just asking. I doubt I will be answered anyway.

We have Volunteer SES (State Emergency Service ) personnel in Australia & they can always be found attending emergencies affecting & assisting the public in Bush fires , Missing Children , Overdue Boating incidents etc . They have the Publics respect & Thanks for their services, in the USA it is the same with missing people , aircraft lost etc , <deleted> is going on here ???............by the way , we all have to produce CERTIFIED National Police Clearances Annually from whatever Country we reside in or lived in in the previous 5 years , or from our Country of Birth , does that apply here ??? Again , none of my business , just asking.

Personally , I can see that a Volunteer Group to assist Tourists is a great idea , it just appears that the structure from vested commercial interests seem to think that a Uniformed Authoratian group is required . WHY ??? is 'power' a prerequisite??

Just asking !! No judgement , No sides

What a very good and pertinent post. I hope you show this at your session on 23 March and get some concrete answers in return. I think its about time this whole question of what the volunteer police or BIB or whatever you want to call them are told exactly what their role is in relation to policing. As was pointed out earlier by a high ranking Thai Officer they are only there for provide a translation service to the Thai police. It would seem to me that they are overstepping the mark by a long way. Time to put them in check. As for Mr. Miller I think he is just a frustrated radio DJ who could only make it in hospital radio back in the UK but for some reason seems to be full of his own importance here in LOS

[Gary A]

Maybe Howard was just trying to protect the strange video fetish farang from people who don't like to be filmed.

[Ulysses G.]

If you don't like the plastic police wannabe's then just ignore them or have a little chuckle to yourself, that's all you have to do.

[Beacher]

I must say that if nothing else, Howard Miller is complete hippocrate.

Here is a person, who through his tacky and awful "Pattaya One News", pokes his cameras into people's lives when they are in terribly distressing situations, apparently for his own financial gain (and likely titillation).

However, in a heavy-handed manner that exploits his "wannanbe cop" costume (I refuse to call it a uniform when these types wear it) he tells other people that they cannot video tape what is publicly on display.

[midasthailand]

What I don't understand is if these TPV guys are there to assist Farangs in dealings with the local BiB and to translate / explain what's happening in a particular situation then why do they have to be built like Rambo to do that?

Why do they have to be so intimidating? Can't a person of average size and build use his mouth and brain just as effectively as a musclebound guy to 'assist' his fellow Farang?

If it's a question of presenting an imposing authority figure in case there's trouble then I'm sure the BiB with the gun stood behind any normal sized person would certainly get a 'perps' attention and get him to behave.

From my observation of the video, none of the TVP were "built like Rambo" in fact HM looks to be built more like Billy Bunter and the tall skinny fellow that keeps looking around at the camera looks to be in his 50's or 60's,. The gentleman out of uniform did not look to be very imposing physically to me either.

At the end of the day, if the TPV

A. Stuck to their remit of providing translation assistance to the Thai authorities and nothing else;

B. They had a think about changing their shirts from Black to White; and

C. Performed their duties with a smiling demeanour,

I would give them my full support.

Given the posts about them being involved in entrapment operations against foreign prostitutes and being perceived as Arrogant, unsmiling people on a power trip, I think the time is ripe for someone in authority to review the entire concept and impose some concrete limitations on their operations.

One would expect that people volunteering their free time to act as translators should also have the ability to at least speak reasonable Thai as well as their native language, whatever that might be.

That's my two cents worth!

[eljeque]

For anyone who is whinging about Howard - he is easily accessible and quite happily chat with you in person. Go chat with him about your concerns, however I doubt most are not interested and would rather just whinge online about him.

Can I bring my video camera?

[The Philosopher]

HARRASSED BY FTPA IN WALKING STREET

To the Editor, Pattaya Daily news.

I wish to inform you of an encounter I had with 2 members of the Foreign Police Assistants on the evening of 3rd March 2009 in Walking Street, Pattaya.

I’d observed a lot of police activity that night, some of which I had filmed, so curiosity got the better of me and I decided to have a drink at a bar near the Tourist Police “station” to try and see what was going on. I recognised one of the foreign guys in uniform as Howard Miller so I thought I’d get some footage of him and his comrades in their working environment, as were many of the tourists passing by.

The next thing I know, completely out of the blue, I’m pounced on by Howard Miller and another guy who wasn’t wearing a uniform. (I later managed to identify him as Paul Harrison, recently featured in a story on your web-site) …read more…

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/forum/show...icID=0000001743

http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml#hd9

British VP held - Is Miller acting in a controlled manner or like a madman bent on venting his discriminatory nature for any reason possible.

[davethailand]

Although i don't always agree with the way that some of the farang TP act i have to say that the camera man is a bit of an idiot, he WAS filming covertly and was defensive from the out set. rolleyes.

[Jingthing]

Here is a person, who through his tacky and awful "Pattaya One News", pokes his cameras into people's lives when they are in terribly distressing situations, apparently for his own financial gain (and likely titillation).

You make a very good point. I was more or less neutral before, but this point is persuasive. Definite hypocrisy.

[prefabs]

Pattaya Mail has a big plug for one of the guys today, seems he had a problem with Transvestites on Beach Road.

[foxxx]

mmmmm settle on a bit people.

Think about it, if you wanted to start a news outlet to support yourself financially - and because it keeps you busy and interests you, what better place to be than a volunteer police officer. Personally if I was going to be running that kind of business, then yeah, i'd be looking to put myself in a similar situation, your not only are involved with the happenings within walking street, but you also get to know others in other areas and hear other news you can research and report.

Also, I do agree the way they walk down walking street they look like idiots. And if you have to put up with very drunk people all night long, people who want to start fights because they are drunk and other confrontational crap on an hourly basis, i'd also be approaching someone with a camera on the front foot not the 'oh i'm sorry, can you turn that off please' back foot. maybe it was a little too aggressive (which i think it came across as), but who's to say he had been having a good night.

As for his mate who helped, I would not be approaching anyone without having someone else with me, even just a mate who isn't an officer, just someone who's got my back if the person you are approaching is drunk and off his rocker wanting to start something.

In saying that, his mate shouldn't have said squat, should have stood back and let howard say whatever he wanted to say and leave it at that, the civilian came on like the idiot screwing up what could - should have been a civialised conversation.

Edited March 6, 2009 by foxxx

[upriver]

This paragraph from a Bangkok Post report on the Pattaya Volunteer Tourist Police last month includes all you need to know about the mindset of people who join up to serve and protect:

Mr Miller says new recruits undergo three days of training before the three-month probation period and are from countries as diverse as China, India, Norway and Pakistan. Some undergo further training to qualify as parachutists and undergo a practical pistol shooting course, said Mr Miller, although these skills are not necessary for the job. A few of them even sported badges showing they had qualified in these areas on their uniforms.

Badges, cool. Couldn't hack it as a Boy Scout, then join the Pattaya Tourist Police.

Spot on mate

Its probable that some of these guys volunteer their time for the best of reasons, but unfortunately i think all the bad press is somewhat deserved.

I personally find their costumed posturing rather irritating and pathetic, definately giving off the completely wrong vibe in relation to their purpose.

Whilst the town is awash with serious crime, why oh why are they so interested in the poor Uzbek girls? I suppose the free shag had nothing to do with it!

[syd barrett]

This paragraph from a Bangkok Post report on the Pattaya Volunteer Tourist Police last month includes all you need to know about the mindset of people who join up to serve and protect:

Mr Miller says new recruits undergo three days of training before the three-month probation period and are from countries as diverse as China, India, Norway and Pakistan. Some undergo further training to qualify as parachutists and undergo a practical pistol shooting course, said Mr Miller, although these skills are not necessary for the job. A few of them even sported badges showing they had qualified in these areas on their uniforms.

Badges, cool. Couldn't hack it as a Boy Scout, then join the Pattaya Tourist Police.

Spot on mate

Its probable that some of these guys volunteer their time for the best of reasons, but unfortunately i think all the bad press is somewhat deserved.

I personally find their costumed posturing rather irritating and pathetic, definately giving off the completely wrong vibe in relation to their purpose.

Whilst the town is awash with serious crime, why oh why are they so interested in the poor Uzbek girls? I suppose the free shag had nothing to do with it!

In the same Bangkok Post article: This is straight out of spoof publications. LOL !!!

MEN IN BLACK

While some might see the black uniform worn by the foreign assistants and the military boots and berets of their Thai counterparts as intimidating, Mr Miller argues they are practical. ''Because the climate in Pattaya is very hot, it is not practical for us to wear a white or light-coloured shirt as they will show sweat and stains,'' he said. ''Black shirts look smart and they do show a little bit of authority.''

Link below to hilarious article in Bangkok Post.

Bangkok Post: Men In Black