Arrest Warrants Issued For 14 Red Shirt Leaders And Thaksin

[Plus]

The office of the Constitution Court filed a complaint with police, seeking legal action against Visaradee for her comment during a House debate that the court's dissolution of the People Power Party was unfair.

If found guilty, Visaradee can face a maximum jail term of seven years or a fine of 2,000 baht, or both.

No further comment needed on the state of democracy in Thailand.

It is so funny. No wonder Giles & Thaksin are better off fleeing the country.

Accusing the court of prejudice in parliament, on national TV? What else do you expect?

Try that in the US, see how long you'll hold off contempt of court charges.

[justanothercybertosser]

Accusing the court of prejudice in parliament, on national TV? What else do you expect?

Try that in the US, see how long you'll hold off contempt of court charges.

Hardly.

Contempt of court around the world is generally used to protect the integrity of proceedings of court cases, and not to protect judges or courts of criticism, valid or invalid. For such cases, in case they breech the rights for freedom of speech, you have libel laws.

Here is an interesting article on the topic:

http://www.upiasia.com/Human_Rights/2007/0..._contempt/9493/

"Contempt of court, as its sole purpose, is to protect the integrity of judges in order that they can perform their jobs. This is not the same thing as protecting the standing of individual judges, or denying debate that touches on the role of the courts. On the contrary, senior jurists around the world have explicitly repudiated the use of law to silence critics and defend their personal status. They have recognized that where criticism is honest and legitimate, even if offensive, it does not breach this principle."

[slimdog]

Accusing the court of prejudice in parliament, on national TV? What else do you expect?

Try that in the US, see how long you'll hold off contempt of court charges.

IMHO, Article One of the American Constitution:

Section 6:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

[Plus]

Thai senators and MPs are also granted immunity but probably not in equal measure.

Contempt of court, as its sole purpose, is to protect the integrity of judges in order that they can perform their jobs.

So you think accusing sitting judges of prejudice in performing their duties does not undermine court's integrity?

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When Thaksin was aquitted in 2000 his opponents had to swallow the bitter pill and accept courts decision as final.

When Thaksin is found guilty, his supporters demand different standard for themselves, all in the name of democracy.

A bunch of hypocrites.

[justanothercybertosser]

Thai senators and MPs are also granted immunity but probably not in equal measure.

Contempt of court, as its sole purpose, is to protect the integrity of judges in order that they can perform their jobs.

So you think accusing sitting judges of prejudice in performing their duties does not undermine court's integrity?

>>>>

When Thaksin was aquitted in 2000 his opponents had to swallow the bitter pill and accept courts decision as final.

When Thaksin is found guilty, his supporters demand different standard for themselves, all in the name of democracy.

A bunch of hypocrites.

Rubbish.

Everybody had to accept the sentence because it was the final instance. That did not hinder widespread public criticism of the sentence. Under present conditions you could not criticize this sentence anymore.

The right to criticize controversial court decisions contributes to transparency of the judiciary and the whole society.

[TAWP]

I'm still waiting for the evidence from Koo82, Thaksin or his lovers that anyone was indeed killed amongst the red ranks, or even the claimed hundreds.

An illustration of how this event couldn't happen without it being captured, look at what is being capture in Iran and they have had 20 kills...far less then the claimed hundreds in Bangkok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IPBCnp65A

Now please tell me, when UDD, Thaksin and the rest of the criminals are using blatant lies to further their agenda...why should we give any, _any_, respect to their opinions or protesters?

[HagenvonTronje]

...

Now please tell me, when UDD, Thaksin and the rest of the criminals are using blatant lies to further their agenda...why should we give any, _any_, respect to their opinions or protesters?

first, similar videos and pics of wounded red ones in bangkok wouldn't accept as evidence by some narrow minded thaksin haters here. and evidence of violence by the army got met with lame excuse.

and how about some historical knowledge that is mostly not a sign of a functional democracy and not a democratic leadership if the government needs the military to crack down protests by the people.

anyway, that thread is about the arrest warrents for the red shirt leaders because they violate the traffic laws and instigate other to assemble in groups of more than 10 persons. that is their "crime." any further accusation are lacking evidence and a couple of media reports and government statements got proven wrong. so the blatant lies are coming from the other side as well. PAD, Dems and Abhisist apologists here in the forum are another prime example for this.

up to you if that 'we' in you don't give any, _any_, respect to their opinion or refuse even listen to them, chase them away with paper bullets, tanks and 'volunteers' in blue shirts or silly comments in a forum will not work out in the long run.

[justanothercybertosser]

I'm still waiting for the evidence from Koo82, Thaksin or his lovers that anyone was indeed killed amongst the red ranks, or even the claimed hundreds.

An illustration of how this event couldn't happen without it being captured, look at what is being capture in Iran and they have had 20 kills...far less then the claimed hundreds in Bangkok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9IPBCnp65A

Now please tell me, when UDD, Thaksin and the rest of the criminals are using blatant lies to further their agenda...why should we give any, _any_, respect to their opinions or protesters?

Well, you PAD supporters stretch the truth about as much.

Anyhow, no evidence other than witness accounts have so far come out about Red Shirts having been killed (but there clearly were reports and images of Red Shirts that have been injured by gunshots both in Pattaya and Bangkok). Lack of evidence that not prove that there were no dead Red Shirts.

[Plus]

Everybody had to accept the sentence because it was the final instance. That did not hinder widespread public criticism of the sentence. Under present conditions you could not criticize this sentence anymore.

The right to criticize controversial court decisions contributes to transparency of the judiciary and the whole society.

You confuse criticising a sentence with accusing the court of bias.

Contempt of court while the case is in process, libel after it's finished - semantics, what's it matter which law exactly you are breaking.

Back in 2000, btw, people were equally warned of criticising the decision, too. There's nothing new to it. What's new is that Thaksin supporters got the wrong end of the same stick they used on others. How does that feel? How does it feel not being above the law?

[TAWP]

HagenvonTronje>> You claim videos wouldn't be accepted as evidence. I say, prove it by posting them.

I'm not asking for you to show beyond doubt, I'm asking for anything.

So far you and your religious friends have supplied nothing amounting to the clips above.

Only excuses.

[justanothercybertosser]

Everybody had to accept the sentence because it was the final instance. That did not hinder widespread public criticism of the sentence. Under present conditions you could not criticize this sentence anymore.

The right to criticize controversial court decisions contributes to transparency of the judiciary and the whole society.

You confuse criticising a sentence with accusing the court of bias.

Contempt of court while the case is in process, libel after it's finished - semantics, what's it matter which law exactly you are breaking.

Back in 2000, btw, people were equally warned of criticising the decision, too. There's nothing new to it. What's new is that Thaksin supporters got the wrong end of the same stick they used on others. How does that feel? How does it feel not being above the law?

It is not semantics, but whatever.

Judging from your question to me - "How does it feel" - i believe you have a slightly distorted idea about the role of courts in a democracy. Courts are not supposed to be a tool of revenge, but about justice. One injustice does not excuse another injustice, or create justice - they are both injustice.

How it feels? Simple - it feels like a slippery slope downhill, Thailand having missed one chance after the other to become a developed nation.

[HagenvonTronje]

HagenvonTronje>> You claim videos wouldn't be accepted as evidence. I say, prove it by posting them.

...

and for what exactly is 'your' clip any prove or evidence at all?

[Plus]

Courts are not supposed to be a tool of revenge, but about justice.

And justice has been served.

PPP top executive undeniably bribed govt officials for the benefit of the party.

Two other parties went down, too, btw.

[animatic]

Can't prove a double negative is so.

So there must now be videos of NON-KILLINGS to prove there were no killings.

[Koo82]

anyway, that thread is about the arrest warrents for the red shirt leaders because they violate the traffic laws and instigate other to assemble in groups of more than 10 persons. that is their "crime." any further accusation are lacking evidence and a couple of media reports and government statements got proven wrong. so the blatant lies are coming from the other side as well. PAD, Dems and Abhisist apologists here in the forum are another prime example for this.

So true!

[HagenvonTronje]

Can't prove a double negative is so.

So there must now be videos of NON-KILLINGS to prove there were no killings.

Adjusting the meds may be in order...

actually the weird thing is a post of some video clips that shows some gory situation that supposed to had happend in Iran and that got presented as evidence that there can not have been any killings in Bangkok.

[TAWP]

I understand that you don't understand anything, it is your signature.

If a poster, Koo82, posts lies that the killings happened but that people - as by magic - was unable to capture even 1 second of video about it, the video above is a reminder that cellphones ar all around us and many captures of EACH killing can be found online. With even more found offline!

[jumnien]

You people are becoming downright pathologically unclear. Can't we all just agree that we're sick and tired of elite sponsored army coups, installed patsy governments and yellow?

[animatic]

The only thing that is clear is that:

Some people only care about money and power,

and some want a fair shake for all the thai people,

and many more seem very confused about who is which.

As evidenced by far too many arguments in TVF.

[Plus]

Can't we all just agree that we're sick and tired of elite sponsored army coups, installed patsy governments and yellow?

I'm afraid not, as many of us are sick of reds, and that goes for the rest of the country, too, especially after Songkran riots.

Why don't you agree with us?

[samgrowth]

I didn't say this. Forbes did:

"After taking power, Abhisit was criticised as an opportunist who would have gone nowhere without a helping hand from the military and the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). He failed to condemn the PAD when it occupied Bangkok's two main airports in late November. Since then, Abhisit has vowed to prosecute those responsible for the airport closures, but nobody has been charged so far."

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/06/22/afx6569060.html

[sriracha john]

the same view with Nuttawutta's impersonation of Michelle Pfeiffer on a piano in the movie The Fabulous Baker Boys.

UDD core leader Nattawut launches pocket book

BANGKOK, 24 June 2009 (NNT) – United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader Nattawut Saikua has launched his own pocket book ‘Chok Kham Roon’, a compilation of his interviews given to media and biography, which is now on sale.

The To Patak Publishing of the Watta Classified Co Ltd and Nattawut gave a press conference launching the new pocket book at the Rattanakosin Hotel yesterday amid the presence and support from important UDD figures and others. Nattawut said he took about two months to compile everything until the book came out.

Important UDD figures and other guests came to congratulate the new writer included Manit Jinjanklab, Wiputalaeng Patanapumithai, Weera Musikapong, Shinawat Habunpard, Arisman Pongruangrong, Jatuporn Prompan and Puea Thai Party Spokesperson Prompong Nopparit.

-- NNT 2009-06-24

[grandpops]

I didn't say this. Forbes did:

"After taking power, Abhisit was criticised as an opportunist who would have gone nowhere without a helping hand from the military and the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). He failed to condemn the PAD when it occupied Bangkok's two main airports in late November. Since then, Abhisit has vowed to prosecute those responsible for the airport closures, but nobody has been charged so far."

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/06/22/afx6569060.html

Tut tut tut, mere detail. The council of propagana has decreed that, coups, life bans, election gerrymandering, government financed brainwashing before elections, half sail democracy, overthrowing three elected pm's destroying the economy and tourist season by shutting three airports and occupying governemt house are mere details. The Army turning out last year just to make sure the Police didn't remove the PAD from Government House and the Airports, leaving them free to bring down the Government was noticed everywhere in the world and in all serious news outlets.

The result being we now have some of the greenest politicians in the top seats of power being controlled by one of the most ruthless experienced (in Thai politics) Thai Politicians of our age. Abhisit is no match for Newin, and if he wasn't the Army's poodle he would be Newins. There is nobody on this planet that Newin would not support to keep his snout in the trough.

How dare the elected and overthrown red shirted supporters be angered by this three year long all out assault on democracy?

How dare they react after clearly winning every election since 2000 and having them overthrown. How dare they be angered that anybody that speaks for them is barred from politics.

How dare they not acknowledge the superiority of their elite and of the PAD, of the high minded apologist falangs on here etc. etc?

What gratitude! They were told not to vote for anybody other than Democrats and yet they ignored all the great minds on here. What plebs!

I'm printing out all SRJ's Plus's, Animatic's posts and arranging them on the flight path to Swampy to read "Welcome Back Thaksin", so at least they have not posted totally in vain these past three years.

Edited June 24, 2009 by grandpops

[Plus]

I'm printing out all SRJ's Plus's, Animatic's posts and arranging them on the flight path to Swampy to read "Welcome Back Thaksin", so at least they have not posted totally in vain these past three years

You'll surely get in the news yourself.

>>>

I assumed "grandpops" was one of them "progressive reds" who want democracy, not Thaksin.

[animatic]

incoherence knows no bounds.

[sriracha john]

Red-Shirt Leaders Call for New National Day

Some leaders of the red-shirt group have proposed that June 24 be the new National Day, saying that it marks a milestone in the country's democracy.

At last night's rally, several core leaders of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship, or DAAD, raised the issue of changing the National Day from December 5 to June 24, which was the the day that governing power was handed over from the Monarchy to the citizens in 1932.

They reasoned that June 24 is very important as it is the day that the way the country was governed changed from absolute monarchy to democracy.

Some 300 supporters of the DAAD showed up to hear the addresses given by the group's leaders and other key figures. Last night's gathering was considered a warm-up for the major rally set for June 27.

-- Tan Network 2009-06-24

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December 5th is His Majesty the King's Birthday.

[sriracha john]

another Thaksin defamation lawsuit...another waste of taxpayer's time and money...

Thaksin loses case against Suthep

The Criminal Court on Monday dismissed a defamation case filed by former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra against Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban.

Thaksin accused Mr Suthep, Secretary-General of the Democrat Party, of defaming him by saying in a press interview on Feb 3 this year that he phoned-in to the red-shirted protesters because he wanted to return to Thailand and become president.

The court dismissed the case

Thaksin 'maligned' by plot allegations

A lawyer for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra accused the government of maligning the fugitive politician on Thursday by linking him with the alleged Taksin 2 plot. A government intelligence unit has reported details of the alleged conspiracy, according to Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, claiming the red-shirt group is plotting the violent overthrow of the Abhisit government.

Wichit Plangsrisakul said Thaksin was not involved in any such plot, and that his loyalty to the royal institution remains unchanged. "Some want people to think that the plan comes from Thaksin," he said. "That is a lie."

Thaksin's legal team would examine all comments and information available and if there was any reference to the ousted prime minister they would sue those

Continued:

-- Bangkok Post 2009-06-25

[sriracha john]

Thaksin phones in to Pheu Thai Party campaign rally in Sisaket

Ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday phoned in to a campaign rally of the Pheu Thai Party, pitching for votes in tomorrow's by-election in Sisaket and pleading with voters to help him return from exile in Dubai.

"The weather in Dubai is very hot, soaring to 51 degrees [Celsius] and, with your help to carry me back, I want to return to Thailand," he said in his telephone message to about 500 supporters.

He said the by-election victory last week in Sakon Nakhon was tantamount to transporting him to the borders and that votes for Pheu Thai Party candidate Surachart Chanpradit in Sisaket would assist him in re-entering Thailand.

His call, which lasted about five minutes, was seen as a last-ditch attempt to sway sentiment in favour of the main opposition party in its race against the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party.

-- The Nation 2009-06-27

[webfact]

Thaksin phones in to Pheu Thai Party campaign rally in Sisaket

Ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday phoned in to a campaign rally of the Pheu Thai Party, pitching for votes in tomorrow's by-election in Sisaket and pleading with voters to help him return from exile in Dubai.

"The weather in Dubai is very hot, soaring to 51 degrees [Celsius] and, with your help to carry me back, I want to return to Thailand," he said in his telephone message to about 500 supporters.

He said the by-election victory last week in Sakon Nakhon was tantamount to transporting him to the borders and that votes for Pheu Thai Party candidate Surachart Chanpradit in Sisaket would assist him in re-entering Thailand.

His call, which lasted about five minutes, was seen as a last-ditch attempt to sway sentiment in favour of the main opposition party in its race against the coalition Chart Thai Pattana Party.

-- The Nation 2009-06-27

What a moronic comment. He can return to Thailand ANY time, ANY minute, ANY day! Does he try to create an outward impression he is not allowed to return to his homeland?

Must he live in a tent in the middle of Dubai desert without water and aircon...?

Its beyond belief.

Edited June 27, 2009 by webfact

[sriracha john]

His phone-in does confirm that his current location is Dubai.

Now then, someone's lying.

Presuming Thaksin is not lying, then that means the Dubai officials who denied his presence there, are lying.

So then, who's lying?

Edited June 27, 2009 by sriracha john