Cameron thinks Iran has nukes. Gaza strip is a prison camp and China poses a nuclear threat to the US.

Maybe there is more than one village idiot on the political scene.

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Well Mark, idiocy and ignorance might easily more common then not. Illusion tends to be a saviour as it stands.

But the Gaza strip IS effectively a prison camp, and China DOES pose a threat to the US.

No politician in the world, in the last 500 years at least, can be as dim as GW.....it's just not possible to be that dumb and lead a country. Possible exceptions might be the odd ruler that inherited the role, but none come to mind.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

But the Gaza strip IS effectively a prison camp, and China DOES pose a threat to the US.

No politician in the world, in the last 500 years at least, can be as dim as GW.....it's just not possible to be that dumb and lead a country. Possible exceptions might be the odd ruler that inherited the role, but none come to mind.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

There's a good reason Obama won't talk without a teleprompter - even if he's speaking to 6th graders.

But the Gaza strip IS effectively a prison camp, and China DOES pose a threat to the US.

No politician in the world, in the last 500 years at least, can be as dim as GW.....it's just not possible to be that dumb and lead a country. Possible exceptions might be the odd ruler that inherited the role, but none come to mind.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

A certain Brit said, "I think it is important in life to speak as it is and the fact is that we are a very effective partner of the US but we are the junior partner," he said.

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

Give us your thoughts about what kind of British brain trust would have said the above.

.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

Perhaps not. But his lovely wife has been known to have great influence and pulls more hidden strings than most are willing to accept.

.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

Perhaps not. But his lovely wife has been known to have great influence and pulls more hidden strings than most are willing to accept.

No doubt.

(Lets not get on to Diana conspiracies )

Prince Phillip is rather dim, and he would be close in ineptitude to GW.

But the Gaza strip IS effectively a prison camp, and China DOES pose a threat to the US.

No politician in the world, in the last 500 years at least, can be as dim as GW.....it's just not possible to be that dumb and lead a country. Possible exceptions might be the odd ruler that inherited the role, but none come to mind.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

A certain Brit said, "I think it is important in life to speak as it is and the fact is that we are a very effective partner of the US but we are the junior partner," he said.

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

Give us your thoughts about what kind of British brain trust would have said the above.

I have not read anything said by Cameron that compels me to defend or to condem him....... You seem to imply with sarcasm that the above quote is made by an idiot....diplomatic humbleness aside (as the above quote may in fact be), is it such a stupid thng to say?

I think you would have to find some alot.... ALOT.... of plainly stupid quotes of Cameron's before you can justify comparing him to GW.

The whole world knows, so you must too.....there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of gaffes and inane comments that have been made by the VIT.....shall I amuse the forum by presenting some?

But the Gaza strip IS effectively a prison camp, and China DOES pose a threat to the US.

No politician in the world, in the last 500 years at least, can be as dim as GW.....it's just not possible to be that dumb and lead a country. Possible exceptions might be the odd ruler that inherited the role, but none come to mind.....Prince Phillip would be close, but he is not a ruler.

A certain Brit said, "I think it is important in life to speak as it is and the fact is that we are a very effective partner of the US but we are the junior partner," he said.

"We were the junior partner in 1940 when we were fighting the Nazis."

Give us your thoughts about what kind of British brain trust would have said the above.

I have not read anything said by Cameron that compels me to defend or to condem him....... You seem to imply with sarcasm that the above quote is made by an idiot....diplomatic humbleness aside (as the above quote may in fact be), is it such a stupid thng to say?

I think you would have to find some alot.... ALOT.... of plainly stupid quotes of Cameron's before you can justify comparing him to GW.

The whole world knows, so you must too.....there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of gaffes and inane comments that have been made by the VIT.....shall I amuse the forum by presenting some?

That a British PM would not know that Britain stood alone against Hitler in 1940, their finest hour and such. Is equivalent to an American thinking the South had won the civil war.

Cameron is a dummy. You will discover this as his term progresses.

GW was not a good president and I am glad he is gone. He was not an idiot. Idiots can’t fly fighter jets. Idiots can fly helicopters. I know, I met a lot of idiot helicopter pilots. Hillary Clinton is not a bright person. I knew her. Bill Clinton is a very smart person I knew him too.

I never met GW. I have met his brother on numerous occasions as he was the Governor of Florida where I lived for 20 years. Jeb is a good old boy and he was a good Governor and Florida is not like Texas, the Governorship is not a relatively honorary position. I watched and assisted Jeb handle 4 hurricanes. He is organized and really tall. He takes command during an emergency. He is easy to take orders from.

I think we will all find out Obama was a mistake. Too bad.

I left America with no regrets. I changed all my funds into other currencies. I don’t plan on seeing America again before I die. I wish them luck. I paid taxes and went to war for the country. I did my part now I live in Thailand.

I no longer have a dog in the hunt.

Why David Cameron is the new Dubya

Our young, energetic prime minister has more in common with the discredited former president than you may think

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/06/is-david-cameron-the-new-george-dubya

Why David Cameron is the new Dubya

Our young, energetic prime minister has more in common with the discredited former president than you may think

Hmmm...a few political and career comparisons, but nothing to brand Cameron as an idiot.

Not that I want to defend Cameron...I am ambivalent towards him.

Why David Cameron is the new Dubya

Our young, energetic prime minister has more in common with the discredited former president than you may think

Hmmm...a few political and career comparisons, but nothing to brand Cameron as an idiot.

Not that I want to defend Cameron...I am ambivalent towards him.

I don’t think Cameron is an idiot nor do I think GW is an idiot.

Neither is a brain trust. Lets face it not knowing about the British involvement in WW II is a pretty serious breach of knowledge for a PM.

To refer to GW as an idiot is only an example of your lack of knowledge and prejudice.

Jimmy Carter may have been one of the brightest Presidents in America’s history but his Presidency was a disaster.

All in all it is easier to focus on people rather than ideas. Your rhetoric does little to shed light on complex problems and only serves to inflame your audience.

Why David Cameron is the new Dubya

Our young, energetic prime minister has more in common with the discredited former president than you may think

Hmmm...a few political and career comparisons, but nothing to brand Cameron as an idiot.

Not that I want to defend Cameron...I am ambivalent towards him.

I don't think Cameron is an idiot nor do I think GW is an idiot.

Neither is a brain trust. Lets face it not knowing about the British involvement in WW II is a pretty serious breach of knowledge for a PM.

To refer to GW as an idiot is only an example of your lack of knowledge and prejudice.

Jimmy Carter may have been one of the brightest Presidents in America's history but his Presidency was a disaster.

All in all it is easier to focus on people rather than ideas. Your rhetoric does little to shed light on complex problems and only serves to inflame your audience.

You did say he was a "dummy", and made sarcastic reference to "brain trust".

Oh dear....you push me to post some Bush quotes..... tedious, as we have all read them.

It may deserve a seperate thread......the quotes are numerous and humourous.

Interesting to note that koheesti's link above alludes to GW's discredit also.

Why David Cameron is the new Dubya

Our young, energetic prime minister has more in common with the discredited former president than you may think

Hmmm...a few political and career comparisons, but nothing to brand Cameron as an idiot.

Not that I want to defend Cameron...I am ambivalent towards him.

I don't think Cameron is an idiot nor do I think GW is an idiot.

Neither is a brain trust. Lets face it not knowing about the British involvement in WW II is a pretty serious breach of knowledge for a PM.

To refer to GW as an idiot is only an example of your lack of knowledge and prejudice.

Jimmy Carter may have been one of the brightest Presidents in America's history but his Presidency was a disaster.

All in all it is easier to focus on people rather than ideas. Your rhetoric does little to shed light on complex problems and only serves to inflame your audience.

You did say he was a "dummy", and made sarcastic reference to "brain trust".

Oh dear....you push me to post some Bush quotes..... tedious, as we have all read them.

It may deserve a seperate thread......the quotes are numerous and humourous.

Interesting to note that koheesti's link above alludes to GW's discredit also.

OK, I'll be simplistic. Would expect a dummy who graduated from Oxford, albeit smoked pot at Eaton to know that Britain was fighting the Nazi's alone during 1940? Yes or no?

Would you expect only brain trusts from the UK to know that Britain was fighting Germany alone in 1940? Yes or no?

It is very obvious that Britain has a PM representing them who will cause them much embarrassment in the future. Just as GW made many Americans cringe along with myself the UK should prepare themselves for a similar experience.

Of course it is a matter of semantics. Yale vs Oxford. Dummy vs village idiot.

I think village idiot is worse than dummy. Perhaps because of my bridge playing.

OK, I'll be simplistic. Would expect a dummy who graduated from Oxford, albeit smoked pot at Eaton to know that Britain was fighting the Nazi's alone during 1940? Yes or no?

Would you expect only brain trusts from the UK to know that Britain was fighting Germany alone in 1940? Yes or no?

It is very obvious that Britain has a PM representing them who will cause them much embarrassment in the future. Just as GW made many Americans cringe along with myself the UK should prepare themselves for a similar experience.

Of course it is a matter of semantics. Yale vs Oxford. Dummy vs village idiot.

I think village idiot is worse than dummy. Perhaps because of my bridge playing.

Ok, I'll be simplistic. Cameron has made a mistake with a date. It may have been an unthinking moment, a slip of the tongue (he may have meant to say "the 1940's"), or he just didn't know that particular fact..... I don't know (and I don't care...I'm not defending Cameron), and I don't know what year the US entered the fray against Germany either. It doesn't make him a dummy. He may be a dummy, but one mistake does not indicate it.

Dubbya, the VIT, on the other hand.....lets see what errors of fact he has made.....

Bush confused Slovakia and Slovenia and called Kosovars "Kosovarians," Greeks "Grecians" and East Timorese "East Timorians.

When asked (in 1999) if he could name the president of Chechnya. Bush could not. Nor could he name the general who recently took power in Pakistan or the new prime minister of India.

Or how about this list, one of many available......(I've highlighted in red some that made me chuckle)

50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." -at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." -Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." -Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

47. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip)

45. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001 (Listen to audio clip)

44. "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

43. "The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

42. "I'm the commander see, I don't need to explain I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

41. "<deleted> Saddam. We're taking him out." to three U.S. senators in March 2002, one year before the Iraq invasion, as quoted by Time magazine

40. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson in 2003, as quoted by Robertson

39. "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward

38. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Watch video clip)

37. "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

36. "Do you have blacks, too?" to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

35. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

34. "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

33. "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

32. "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina

31. "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake." on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 200630. "They misunderestimated me." Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

29. "Because the all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be or closer delivered to what has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled." explaining his plan to save Social Security, Tampa, Fla., Feb. 4, 2005

28. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings.

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And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

27. "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

26. "This is an impressive crowd the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite I call you my base." ??'?'?â??'???'?â€at the 2000 Al Smith dinner

25. "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

24. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe I believe what I believe is right." Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

23. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

22. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

21. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet…I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

20. "You forgot Poland." to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

19. "We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is and it's hard for some to see it now that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house he's lost his entire house there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005

18. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

17. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

16. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

15. "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" Florence, South Carolina, Jan. 11, 2000

14. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

13. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

12. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

11. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

10. "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

9. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004 (Read more)

8. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

7. "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best.

And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Read more; listen to audio clip; watch video clip)

6. "There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip)

5. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip)

4. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip)

3. "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." to a porced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

2. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his handling of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio clip; watch video clip)

1. "My answer is bring them on." on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003

Dubbya rules. He even out does Phil the Greek.

One of my favourites went something Like:

"In Iraq there are people who want to live a normal, peaceful life. In a democratic country without terrorism. Well, we will find them and we will make them suffer"

6. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on –shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." –Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip)

That's my personal favorite. But you have to watch the video when he gets stuck to appreciate it.

Here are some others that haven't made the list:

- "The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla.

- "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

- "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

6. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on –shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." –Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip)

That's my personal favorite. But you have to watch the video when he gets stuck to appreciate it.

Here are some others that haven't made the list:

- "The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla.

- "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

- "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

Koheesti:

Those last three didn't make the list because Obama said them.

See some of the messiah's mental farts:

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Obamaisms - Dumb Quotes and Gaffes by Barack Obama

By Daniel Kurtzman, About.com Guide

"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." —on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

"The Cambridge police acted stupidly." —commenting on a white police officer's arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home in Cambridge, Mass., at a news conference, July 22, 2009

"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers (Watch video clip)

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

"You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama-isms.htm

Then there is the current sitting Vice President...

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Bidenisms - Dumb Joe Biden Quotes and Gaffes

By Daniel Kurtzman, About.com Guide

"This is a big f.....g deal!" --Joe Biden, caught on an open mic congratulating President Barack Obama during the health care signing ceremony, Washington, D.C., March 23, 2010

"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul." --Joe Biden, on the mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who is very much alive, Washington, D.C., March 17, 2010

"I wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. … When one person sneezes it goes all the way through the aircraft. That's me. I would not be, at this point, if they had another way of transportation, suggesting they ride the subway." --Joe Biden, providing handy tips to protect against the swine flu and freaking us out, "Today Show" interview, April 30, 2009

"An hour late, oh give me a f**king break." –Joe Biden, caught on a live mic speaking to a former Senate colleague after arriving on Amtrak at Union Station in Washington, D.C., March 13, 2009 (Watch video clip)

"You know, I'm embarrassed. Do you know the Web site number? I should have it in front of me and I don't. I'm actually embarrassed." –Joe Biden, speaking to an aide standing out of view during an interview on CBS' "Early Show," in the midst of encouraging viewers to visit a government-run Web site that tracks stimulus spending, Feb. 25, 2009

"If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong." --Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus who were gathered in Williamsburg, Va., for their annual retreat, Feb. 6, 2009

"Am I doing this again? For the senior staff? My memory is not as good as Chief Justice Roberts'." --Joe Biden, mocking Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts' botched effort to swear in Barack Obama as Biden was set to swear in White House senior staff one day after the Inauguration snafu, Washington, D.C., Jan. 21, 2009

"Jill and I had the great honor of standing on that stage, looking across at one of the great justices, Justice Stewart." –Joe Biden, mistakenly referring to Justice John Paul Stevens, who swore him in as vice president, Washington, D.C., Jan. 20, 2009 (Watch video clip)

"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs." --Joe Biden, Athens, Ohio, Oct. 15, 2008 (Source)

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time, interview with Katie Couric, Sept. 22, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya." –-Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --Joe Biden, speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, Sept. 10, 2008 (Source)

"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama after being announced as his running mate, Springfield, Ill., Aug. 23, 2008 (Watch video clip)

"A successful dump!" --Joe Biden, explaining his whereabouts (dropping deadwood at the dump) to the reporters outside his home, Wilmington, Del., Aug. 20, 2008

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –Joe Biden, referring to Barack Obama at the beginning of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, Jan. 31, 2007 (Source)

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden, in a private remark to an Indian-American man caught on C-SPAN, June, 2006 (Watch video clip)

~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/bidenisms.htm

Shall I proceed to prove my point, or is that enough band width wasted by all of us.

But the Gaza strip IS effectively a prison camp

Not too many 'prison camps" constantly shoot missles at their "jailers".

6. "There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip)

That's my personal favorite. But you have to watch the video when he gets stuck to appreciate it.

Here are some others that haven't made the list:

- "The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla.

- "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

- "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

Koheesti:

Those last three didn't make the list because Obama said them.

I checked them myself and you're right, Obama did say them. Sorry, I just assumed since they were some pretty stupid statements that only a "village idiot" would make them. Now that I think about it, it wasn't too long after the "57 states" laugher that Obama became surgically attached to that teleprompter, isn't it? I'm not suggesting that anyone is a worse public speaker than Bush, but for someone who is supposed to be so brilliant like Obama, the expectations are much higher.

I think everyone remembers when Bush was in China and he tried to exit a press conference through a locked door. He looked pretty foolish there. I wonder how many people remember Obama walking into a window at the White House thinking it was a glass door.

Reagan wasn't too sharp either. Goodness gracious! There seems to be an alarming trend; American presidents and VPs that are dumb or outright idiots.

(BTW chucky, I think you took the wind out of koheesti's sails by preempting his planned "Aha!" when someone replied with a laugh )

Then there is the current sitting Vice President...

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Bidenisms - Dumb Joe Biden Quotes and Gaffes

By Daniel Kurtzman, About.com Guide

"This is a big f.....g deal!" --Joe Biden, caught on an open mic congratulating President Barack Obama during the health care signing cerem..;.......

http://politicalhumo...a/bidenisms.htm

Shall I proceed to prove my point, or is that enough band width wasted by all of us.

Your point being that Americans are uneducated? Or just American leaders?

Then there is the current sitting Vice President...

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Bidenisms - Dumb Joe Biden Quotes and Gaffes

By Daniel Kurtzman, About.com Guide

"This is a big f.....g deal!" --Joe Biden, caught on an open mic congratulating President Barack Obama during the health care signing cerem..;.......

http://politicalhumo...a/bidenisms.htm

Shall I proceed to prove my point, or is that enough band width wasted by all of us.

Your point being that Americans are uneducated? Or just American leaders?

American leaders? Is there another kind nowadays? Unless of course you guys down there want to count Gandolf.

Here are a few quotes about Kiwiland. I hope you enjoy them, Harry.

Sadly I have been unable to find any references to quotable people from New Zealand. Even their politicians are afflicted with the absence of personality.

For the first time in my life, I find myself agreeing with Lenin.

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New Zealand quotes

“I got to dress up in funny clothes and run around New Zealand with a bow and arrow for 18 months, how bad could that be?”

Orlando Bloom quotes (English Actor, b.1977)

“New Zealand is a country of thirty thousand million sheep, three million of whom think they are human.”

Barry Humphries quotes ( Writer, Actor and Comic, b.1934)

“I've never been to New Zealand before. But one of my role models, Xena, the warrior princess, comes from there.”

Madeleine Albright quotes

“If an English butler and an English nanny sat down to design a country, they would come up with New Zealand”

A country of inveterate, backwoods, thick-headed, egotistic philistines"...Vladimir Ilyich Lenin 1909

"I believe we were all glad to leave New Zealand. It is not a pleasant place. Amongst the natives there is absent that charming simplicity .... and the greater part of the English are the very refuse of society." ....... Charles Darwin 1860

"If it would not look too much like showing off, I would tell the reader where New Zealand is." ....... Mark Twain 1897

"The first european to find NZ was a Dutch sea-captain who was looking for something else ... It takes its name from a province of Holland to which it does not bear the remotest likeness, and is usually regarded as the antipodes of England, but is not. Taken possession of by an English navigator, whose action was afterwards reversed by his country's rulers, it was only annexed by the English Government which did not want it, to keep it from the French who did."....... William Pember Reeves 1898

When George Bernard Shaw visited New Zealand a reporter asked him his impression of the place and, after a pause, Shaw is said to have replied: "Altogether too many sheep" ....... George Bernard Shaw 1934

"Terrible tragedy of the south seas. Three million people trapped alive." ....... Thomas Jefferson Scott

When asked his opinion of New Zealand: "I find it hard to say, because when I was there it seemed to be shut." ....... Sir Clement Freud 1978

I've afraid the ThaiVisa servers would crash if someone tried to post the volumes of quotes out there about the good ol' US of A .

Here are a few quotes about Kiwiland. I hope you enjoy them, Harry.

Sadly I have been unable to find any references to quotable people from New Zealand. Even their politicians are afflicted with the absence of personality.

For the first time in my life, I find myself agreeing with Lenin.

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New Zealand quotes

“I got to dress up in funny clothes and run around New Zealand with a bow and arrow for 18 months, how bad could that be?”

Orlando Bloom quotes (English Actor, b.1977)

“New Zealand is a country of thirty thousand million sheep, three million of whom think they are human.”

Barry Humphries quotes ( Writer, Actor and Comic, b.1934)

“I've never been to New Zealand before. But one of my role models, Xena, the warrior princess, comes from there.”

Madeleine Albright quotes

“If an English butler and an English nanny sat down to design a country, they would come up with New Zealand”

A country of inveterate, backwoods, thick-headed, egotistic philistines"...Vladimir Ilyich Lenin 1909

"I believe we were all glad to leave New Zealand. It is not a pleasant place. Amongst the natives there is absent that charming simplicity .... and the greater part of the English are the very refuse of society." ....... Charles Darwin 1860

"If it would not look too much like showing off, I would tell the reader where New Zealand is." ....... Mark Twain 1897

"The first european to find NZ was a Dutch sea-captain who was looking for something else ... It takes its name from a province of Holland to which it does not bear the remotest likeness, and is usually regarded as the antipodes of England, but is not. Taken possession of by an English navigator, whose action was afterwards reversed by his country's rulers, it was only annexed by the English Government which did not want it, to keep it from the French who did."....... William Pember Reeves 1898

When George Bernard Shaw visited New Zealand a reporter asked him his impression of the place and, after a pause, Shaw is said to have replied: "Altogether too many sheep" ....... George Bernard Shaw 1934

"Terrible tragedy of the south seas. Three million people trapped alive." ....... Thomas Jefferson Scott

When asked his opinion of New Zealand: "I find it hard to say, because when I was there it seemed to be shut." ....... Sir Clement Freud 1978

:cheesy:

Quotes from over a century ago are supposed to be a comeback to the evidence, some of which you supplied yourself, of the stupidity of American leaders?!?

:cheesy:

Harry:

This was my explanation for using somewhat dated material:

"Sadly I have been unable to find any references to quotable people from New Zealand. Even their politicians are afflicted with the absence of personality."

I see you are still unable to overcome that old reading disability.

I've afraid the ThaiVisa servers would crash if someone tried to post the volumes of quotes out there about the good ol' US of A .

No doubt we could fill a library.

Does that detract away from what you, chucky, and I have presented here that shows American leaders to be less intelligent and educated than....(lets say).... yourself?