Floor Plan Help

[siriporn26]

Hi,

First of all I have to say “sorry” but my English is not that good. However, hope you can understand me. :-(

I am looking for somebody who have knowledge in how to do a floor plan and will friendly to help me by drawing a house plan.

Kop khun ka. :-)

regards

siri

[splitlid]

what do you have so far?

[sirineou]

I would look at the free home plans available by the government

http://www.crossy.co...ai_House_Plans/

see if find something there that you like

Then you can modify this plans to meet your needs

This a one floor home that because of the layout can easily be modified to meet most needs

this is the floor plan

You can download this plan and others at the above link with a full set of plans ready to build

PS: I have modified the roof of this plan to extend the rear of the house by 2 meters.

Edited July 1, 2012 by sirineou

[siriporn26]

what do you have so far?

Hi,Kop khun ka. I already have a simply drawing from a house but right now I would like to see how it looks in real. And I also would like to see it as a floor plan too. My Friend she have Software for do that but something bad happened with her so she cannot do it for me now. :-(siri

[transam]

what do you have so far?

Hi,Kop khun ka. I already have a simply drawing from a house but right now I would like to see how it looks in real. And I also would like to see it as a floor plan too. My Friend she have Software for do that but something bad happened with her so she cannot do it for me now. :-(siri

[siriporn26]

I would look at the free home plans available by the government

http://www.crossy.co...ai_House_Plans/

see if find something there that you like

Then you can modify this plans to meet your needs

This a one floor home that because of the layout can easily be modified to meet most needs

You can download this plan and others at the above link with a full set of plans ready to build

PS: I have modified the roof of this plan to extend the rear of the house by 2 meters.

Kop khun ka. It looks really nice but I no need a new plan because I already have a simply drawing. The Problem is just that i need to see it like in real and i also would like to see it as floor plan. :-( siri

[sirineou]

I would look at the free home plans available by the government

http://www.crossy.co...ai_House_Plans/

see if find something there that you like

Then you can modify this plans to meet your needs

This a one floor home that because of the layout can easily be modified to meet most needs

You can download this plan and others at the above link with a full set of plans ready to build

PS: I have modified the roof of this plan to extend the rear of the house by 2 meters.

Kop khun ka. It looks really nice but I no need a new plan because I already have a simply drawing. The Problem is just that i need to see it like in real and i also would like to see it as floor plan. :-( siri

Post your plan and let me see what I can do with it

[Daffy D]

Free floor planer software:-

http://www.sweethome...om/features.jsp

[travelmann]

If you know what you want I found www.floorplanner.com an easy way to draw it up, there is also google sketch up which I never really mastered at all.

[siriporn26]

Here is the drawing from the house,maybe anybody can help me?

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?3b752nqi1wr7nj6

kop khun ka

siri

[sirineou]

I don't see a bathroom on the second floor. A serious flaw in my opinion.

You don't want to be going down stairs to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

[siriporn26]

I don't see a bathroom on the second floor. A serious flaw in my opinion.

You don't want to be going down stairs to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

Thank you so much for reply. The second floor have bathroom, on the plan it call "master bathroom".siri

Edited July 6, 2012 by siriporn26

[sirineou]

I don't see a bathroom on the second floor. A serious flaw in my opinion.

You don't want to be going down stairs to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

Thank you so much for reply. The second floor have bathroom, on the plan it call "master bathroom".siri

Sorry I did not notice it, That is a very large bathroom, I assumed it was an other bedroom.

It is right over the other bathroom , and that is good, for plumbing. But why so big? ( of course you must have your reasons.

[sirineou]

The floor plan you drew is not to scale, as you can tell by looking at the downstairs bathroom, also you did not take in to account the

I took the liberty of converting the ground floor plan in to 3d so that you can get an idea of the space.

[David48]

The floor plan you drew is not to scale, as you can tell by looking at the downstairs bathroom, also you did not take in to account the

I took the liberty of converting the ground floor plan in to 3d so that you can get an idea of the space.

Hi there sirineou ... just so nice seeing some members taking the time to help out others ...

Oh, BTW my Avatar has changed.

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[siriporn26]

The floor plan you drew is not to scale, as you can tell by looking at the downstairs bathroom, also you did not take in to account the

I took the liberty of converting the ground floor plan in to 3d so that you can get an idea of the space.

First of all I have to say thank you so much for your help and your time! It looks really nice.

Yes, you are right it´s my mistake, my drawing was not in scale, I am so sorry.

The Living and Dining room looks really perfect .The kitchen also, but here I think it looks better if we do one more window also on the side from the Terrace. The guest bathroom, in my plan there should be a 1 Toilet, 1 shower and 1 washbasin inside, you think it´s big enough? If not better it should be a little bit bigger.

The Guest room’s maybe we could do it a little bit more wider because of furniture? On the free space between Kitchen and guest room it still miss the stairs and the window. Maybe this space it also need to be a little bit wider?

kop khun ka

siri

[sirineou]

The floor plan you drew is not to scale, as you can tell by looking at the downstairs bathroom, also you did not take in to account the

I took the liberty of converting the ground floor plan in to 3d so that you can get an idea of the space.

Hi there sirineou ... just so nice seeing some members taking the time to help out others ...

Oh, BTW my Avatar has changed.

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Hi Davis , good to still see you here..

Thank you for your kind words. It was a choice of either working on siri's drawing, or cutting the grass, and the grass lost hands down.

drawing pictures sure beats doing real work.

Anyway Siriporn Umpaipong is one of my favorite Thai singers. any one with the name Siriporn deserves my attention.

[sirineou]

Hi Siri

I wrote

The floor plan you drew is not to scale, as you can tell by looking at the downstairs bathroom, also you did not take in to account the

I took the liberty of converting the ground floor plan in to 3d so that you can get an idea of the space.

Sorry for the incomplete sentence, I don't know what happened to the rest of it, but it should read: You did not take in to account the, structural grid of columns and beams, and the thickness of the walls.

First the column grid.your design is 8 M X 14 M, that space lends it's self well to a 4m X3.5 M grid. so when designing the rooms you need to keep that in mind, so that you don't end up having columns in the middle of the floor.

For such grid, you will need 8" or .2 m columns, so if you dont want the columns to show, you would need .2m thick walls, That can easily be accomplished . in the outside by using a cavity wall, or super-block for thermal insulation.The inside walls can be thinner if you don't mind some of the column showing.

You are right the front downstairs room is a little bit small. This is what I propose you considered doing.

Move the stairs over by 1m toward the kitchen,have 2 m of stairs going up, a return landing, and the remaining 2 m of stairs coming back in to the upstairs corridor . This will accomplish a few things, It will make the front guest room 1 m larger, it will remove the need for a hall way to gain access to guest#2 rm, making guest rm #2 larger. By making the return landing 2 m high you gain a 2 m high rm under the stairs that you can use as a Utility rm, or a bathroom. The negative to that suggestion is that your Master BDRM, will now be 1 M smaller, But since it is a huge room to begin with, I dont think it is such a big negative.

Now I would concentrate my attention on the Master Bath, 5mX4m, it is very big in my opinion, I would consider using some of that space for a walk in closet for the Master bedrm.

You will also have to adjust the placement of your window to compensate for your column placement.

This a basic grid foe a 8x14 structure utilizing .2m columns. it is scale

[siriporn26]

Hi Siri

I wrote

The floor plan you drew is not to scale, as you can tell by looking at the downstairs bathroom, also you did not take in to account the

I took the liberty of converting the ground floor plan in to 3d so that you can get an idea of the space.

Sorry for the incomplete sentence, I don't know what happened to the rest of it, but it should read: You did not take in to account the, structural grid of columns and beams, and the thickness of the walls.

First the column grid.your design is 8 M X 14 M, that space lends it's self well to a 4m X3.5 M grid. so when designing the rooms you need to keep that in mind, so that you don't end up having columns in the middle of the floor.

For such grid, you will need 8" or .2 m columns, so if you dont want the columns to show, you would need .2m thick walls, That can easily be accomplished . in the outside by using a cavity wall, or super-block for thermal insulation.The inside walls can be thinner if you don't mind some of the column showing.

You are right the front downstairs room is a little bit small. This is what I propose you considered doing.Move the stairs over by 1m toward the kitchen,have 2 m of stairs going up, a return landing, and the remaining 2 m of stairs coming back in to the upstairs corridor . This will accomplish a few things, It will make the front guest room 1 m larger, it will remove the need for a hall way to gain access to guest#2 rm, making guest rm #2 larger. By making the return landing 2 m high you gain a 2 m high rm under the stairs that you can use as a Utility rm, or a bathroom. The negative to that suggestion is that your Master BDRM, will now be 1 M smaller, But since it is a huge room to begin with, I dont think it is such a big negative.

Now I would concentrate my attention on the Master Bath, 5mX4m, it is very big in my opinion, I would consider using some of that space for a walk in closet for the Master bedrm.

You will also have to adjust the placement of your window to compensate for your column placement.

This a basic grid foe a 8x14 structure utilizing .2m columns. it is scale

Thank you so much. Move the guest bathroom under the stairs;move the stairs over 1 m toward the kitchen it sounds like a good way. I really like your opinion, thank you so much for share. The Master bedroom will be 1 m more smaller than but if we do the master bathroom also little bit more smaller, the master bedroom will be bigger again than. I am right? A walk in closet sounds nice. :-)siri :-)

Edited July 7, 2012 by siriporn26

[sirineou]

^^^^ foe some reason,I could not edit my above reply, so this is an addition to it.

PS:your Upstairs deck can be pre-stressed concrete planks, and the partition walls don't need to be on the beams as they are not load bearing.you can move them anywhere on the deck as long as you keep the columns hidden inside them.

And if you like you can move the stairs a Little bit forward, have a larger landing, making the room under the stairs much larger.

[siriporn26]

Thank sirineou for your time you have spend till here.

Anybody else who can help me with that floor plan?

Hope....hope...hope...

siri

Edited July 11, 2012 by siriporn26

[yannic]

GFl.pdf1Fl.pdfDear Siri,

looking at your ideas, I guess they need a little improvement. I took the time to draw a basic floor plan for you which I think will solve many issues you are facing. Once you agree upon the plan, then someone could easily draw it in the computer to give you a better idea.

My ideas are. Make the balkony a bit smaller at 3 x 3 meters, you only need 4 columns at the balkony. The stairs do not need to be at the end of the wall with a window. Move the stairs towards the living room and get a space for a bathroom behind the stairs accessible from both guestrooms or upstairs from the office and child room.

Every bed room should have a close-by bathroom, You do not want to walk very far to reach a bathroom.

Have a small stock room beside the kitchen (very important, gets forgotten often), have the guest toilet moved out of the living room beside the stock room. Have a walk in closet from the MBR between the MBR and Master bathroom.

Let me know what you think about the ideas.

The PDF's are basically in M=1:20, the jpegs are not.

Edited July 12, 2012 by yannic

[yannic]

The PDF's are basically in M=1:20, the jpegs are not.

M=1:20 means basically 1 m in real is 2 cm on the paper. So that you would have an idea of the proportions.

In my opinion, each bedroom should have it's own bathroom. Of course that would be to expensive. But my suggestion comes very close as you will have a small bathroom behind the stairs accessible from two rooms each. In the Living room, kitchen area you only have a small toilet, so noone needs to go to the bedrooms to use a toilet. In your idea, the child still need to go to the Master bathroom or downstairs to use a toilet. Not so good.

In making the balkonies and terraces/entrance a bit smaller you gain more space inside the house for your rooms. The terraces, balconies are still big enough.

Having a small stock room beside the kitchen will have storage space for several things. Of course you could even make your Master Bedroom a bit smaller and have access to another small storage room inside the MBR. Another choice would to use the corridor upstairs and use this to have another storage room. Of course you still need to think about having a very small utility/water tank and electricity room, could be a 1 by 1 meters somewhere taken away from the kitchen for example in one corner. As the kitchen is huge.

Please let me know what you think...

Edited July 12, 2012 by yannic

[sirineou]

GFl.pdf1Fl.pdfDear Siri,

looking at your ideas, I guess they need a little improvement. I took the time to draw a basic floor plan for you which I think will solve many issues you are facing. Once you agree upon the plan, then someone could easily draw it in the computer to give you a better idea.

My ideas are. Make the balkony a bit smaller at 3 x 3 meters, you only need 4 columns at the balkony. The stairs do not need to be at the end of the wall with a window. Move the stairs towards the living room and get a space for a bathroom behind the stairs accessible from both guestrooms or upstairs from the office and child room.

Every bed room should have a close-by bathroom, You do not want to walk very far to reach a bathroom.

Have a small stock room beside the kitchen (very important, gets forgotten often), have the guest toilet moved out of the living room beside the stock room. Have a walk in closet from the MBR between the MBR and Master bathroom.

Let me know what you think about the ideas.

The PDF's are basically in M=1:20, the jpegs are not.

Nice Plan, some very interesting Ideas.

Two observations .

First Siri's plans call for a 14x8 m long floor plan , yours comes to 13x8. this is good because walls have thicknes,bd are not just lines on paper, so you can loose anything between ,.5 to 1 m just on walls.

The other id the basic structural design on the structure. Before you start placing walls you need to consider where the columns would go. Now it is true that with concrete you can be pretty creative with that, but not with our significantly raising the cost.

For minimal cost with out additional engineering , you need a spacing of 3-4 meters, any less than that and you need more columns, any more than 4 and you need additional engineering and larger beams.

Need to go and do some real work now, more on that later.

Good job, try using the grid I provided and see if you can make your plan work.

[sirineou]

^^^^ sorry for the typos, I got a call and had to go to work, so I posted what I had with out proof reading it.

[siriporn26]

GFl.pdf1Fl.pdfDear Siri,

looking at your ideas, I guess they need a little improvement. I took the time to draw a basic floor plan for you which I think will solve many issues you are facing. Once you agree upon the plan, then someone could easily draw it in the computer to give you a better idea.

My ideas are. Make the balkony a bit smaller at 3 x 3 meters, you only need 4 columns at the balkony. The stairs do not need to be at the end of the wall with a window. Move the stairs towards the living room and get a space for a bathroom behind the stairs accessible from both guestrooms or upstairs from the office and child room.

Every bed room should have a close-by bathroom, You do not want to walk very far to reach a bathroom.

Have a small stock room beside the kitchen (very important, gets forgotten often), have the guest toilet moved out of the living room beside the stock room. Have a walk in closet from the MBR between the MBR and Master bathroom.

Let me know what you think about the ideas.

The PDF's are basically in M=1:20, the jpegs are not.

Sawadee ka . Thank you so much for your opinion, your nice drawing and your time you have spend

for help me . To be honest, i think 4 bathrooms is too much. The house should not be that expensive, should be small but also sufficient. The drawing I show in here is the house in my dream, some small move like “sirineou” said (move the guest bathroom under the stairs and make the master bathroom little bit smaller but on the same time the master bedroom will have a walk in closet) looks nice and would be ok.

siri

[sirineou]

This is a home that I am in the process of designing and plan to build in the near future.

It has a small footprint. 8x14 m , 16x10 m with the roof overhangs.It is designed to stay with in the 4 m column grid, minimizing construction costs..

and offers both the outdoor family space so important in Thai living, with the privacy that an upstairs can offer.

The upstairs has 3 bedrooms, master bedroom with private bath and walk in closet, two additional bedrooms and a common use bathroom, living room and kitchen with eat in area.

people and furniture are to scale to get a feel for the space.

I don't plan to spend much time upstairs, probably only go there to sleep, and some privacy, don't expect to get much use of the kitchen also, and I am debating the idea.

I expect to spend most of my time downstairs with family and friends, and do most of the cooking there.

The downstairs is mostly open, has an bedroom, for those days when I had too many beers at my bar and could not make it upstairs, of course if I am going to be drinking beer, I would need a bathroom near by, so I provide for one under the stairs. And an open kitchen for the family.

This design is to scale , all the columns are in the walls, and are no more than 4 m apart.

Feel free to incorporate any of my ideas in to your own design.

[yannic]

Nice Plan, some very interesting Ideas.

Two observations .

First Siri's plans call for a 14x8 m long floor plan , yours comes to 13x8. this is good because walls have thicknes,bd are not just lines on paper, so you can loose anything between ,.5 to 1 m just on walls.

The other id the basic structural design on the structure. Before you start placing walls you need to consider where the columns would go. Now it is true that with concrete you can be pretty creative with that, but not with our significantly raising the cost.

For minimal cost with out additional engineering , you need a spacing of 3-4 meters, any less than that and you need more columns, any more than 4 and you need additional engineering and larger beams.

Need to go and do some real work now, more on that later.

Good job, try using the grid I provided and see if you can make your plan work.

thanks, of course I know that lines on the papers are not walls. But since I did not want to spend too much time as we saw Siri does not like my idea or find it too expensive it would not make sense to spend too long on the drawing. I just used the scale so that the proportions are somehow correct and I was just drawing a very basic floor plan design. As a Civil Engineer I actually know what I am talking about (lol - at least most of the time). First Siri would need to agree to a floor design, then the next step would be to adjust the design to fit a grid for the columns, of course sirineou's idea to fit the 3-4 m distance for columns would make it easiser. It's not a problem to see some columns inside the rooms, it is not necessary to have thick walls inside.

But I understand that 3 bathrooms and one toilet would probably cost a bit more. Still if she would like to hold on her idea, I would suggest one more thing. The toilet in the middle of the living room disturbs me a lot. Also beside the kitchen should be a utility/stock room. So I suggest to move the stairs into the middle of the house and have the toilet on the out side wall with window and beside the toilet a small stock/utility room (beside and under the stairs). So nothing disturbing (toilet) would be in the living room and still you would have your toilet downstairs. If it is not clear what I mean I can make a little drawing.

As for sirineou's house I like your general design and your upstairs floor is greatly designed. With your lower floor I do not agree as your roof overhang is not big enough to avoid getting a wet floor during rainy days. If the wind blows a lot and pushes the rain into your house you will always have a terrible wet floor. I know you want to have an open and windy ground floor but the downside would be that on rainy days including wind or storm it will always be wet. Also to have the car included in the open space downstairs, I don't find that very good, sometimes cars smell at gasoline. Also I do not want to be sitting in a garage. But that could easily be adjusted.

Edited July 13, 2012 by yannic

[yannic]

Siri, if you do not want to spend too much money why do you want to build such a HUGE house? 14 x 8 = 112 sqm that would make 224 sqm for the two floors and the whole house including balkonies. The building costs are usually 13,000 to 15,000 Baht per sqm for a basic house, not too luxurious (so like yours). So to save money you should decide on building a smaller house. I would suggest you check how much money you want to spend and then you can plan your house accordingly. This size of house would surely cost 3 to 3.5 Mio Baht.

You don't need such a huge Master bed room, do you? What for? What are you doing there? Mostly sleeping, so a smaller room would surely do. You have to be aware that as bigger your bedroom is as bigger need to be the aircon, and as more expensive is the electricity to cool down such a huge room. You need to know what you want to do in your MBR, if it mostly sleeping I would make it much smaller to save energy costs.

Your kitchen is huge! Why? You plan to eat there or only in the dining room?

Why you need to have two guest rooms? Would not one do? Also for a guest room you don't need to have a big room, again --> keep energy costs down by designing a smaller room. Guest rooms are mostly empty, so why wasting a lot of space for them? Where will you be spending most of the time?

I have recently built a family house (in 2010) for a big Asian family with 5 bedrooms (one smaller one is a maids room) and two bathrooms and one outside toilet. The whole house has a size of 160 sqm including terrace. The rooms are all small as they are used only for sleeping most of the time. The family life will take place in the huge living and dining room and in the big terrace space with access to an outside toilet (outside the house around the corner of the terrace) and a dirty kitchen beside. So people sitting on the terrace do not need to go inside the house to use the toilet. That house with 160 sqm is good for a family of 6 to 7 adults and 5 to 7 kids.

So why you need to have such a big house? If money is the issue design it smaller. Think about the sqm costs, think about the energy costs.

In your idea you have 3 smaller balconies/terraces. Will you be using them? Are you sure you will be sitting on all of them? One big terrace with roof for the whole family would surely suit better.

I hope I gave you some more ideas to think about.

Edited July 13, 2012 by yannic

[sirineou]

Nice Plan, some very interesting Ideas.

Two observations .

First Siri's plans call for a 14x8 m long floor plan , yours comes to 13x8. this is good because walls have thicknes,bd are not just lines on paper, so you can loose anything between ,.5 to 1 m just on walls.

The other id the basic structural design on the structure. Before you start placing walls you need to consider where the columns would go. Now it is true that with concrete you can be pretty creative with that, but not with our significantly raising the cost.

For minimal cost with out additional engineering , you need a spacing of 3-4 meters, any less than that and you need more columns, any more than 4 and you need additional engineering and larger beams.

Need to go and do some real work now, more on that later.

Good job, try using the grid I provided and see if you can make your plan work.

thanks, of course I know that lines on the papers are not walls. But since I did not want to spend too much time as we saw Siri does not like my idea or find it too expensive it would not make sense to spend too long on the drawing. I just used the scale so that the proportions are somehow correct and I was just drawing a very basic floor plan design. As a Civil Engineer I actually know what I am talking about (lol - at least most of the time). First Siri would need to agree to a floor design, then the next step would be to adjust the design to fit a grid for the columns, of course sirineou's idea to fit the 3-4 m distance for columns would make it easiser. It's not a problem to see some columns inside the rooms, it is not necessary to have thick walls inside.

But I understand that 3 bathrooms and one toilet would probably cost a bit more. Still if she would like to hold on her idea, I would suggest one more thing. The toilet in the middle of the living room disturbs me a lot. Also beside the kitchen should be a utility/stock room. So I suggest to move the stairs into the middle of the house and have the toilet on the out side wall with window and beside the toilet a small stock/utility room (beside and under the stairs). So nothing disturbing (toilet) would be in the living room and still you would have your toilet downstairs. If it is not clear what I mean I can make a little drawing.

As for sirineou's house I like your general design and your upstairs floor is greatly designed. With your lower floor I do not agree as your roof overhang is not big enough to avoid getting a wet floor during rainy days. If the wind blows a lot and pushes the rain into your house you will always have a terrible wet floor. I know you want to have an open and windy ground floor but the downside would be that on rainy days including wind or storm it will always be wet. Also to have the car included in the open space downstairs, I don't find that very good, sometimes cars smell at gasoline. Also I do not want to be sitting in a garage. But that could easily be adjusted.

The wall thickness comment was more directed at Siri, rather than you, . It is easy for a layman designer to forget that fact (even at 4" you can easily loose 1/2 m).

You are right, It helps to consider, who will be using the house, make a list of the needs of the occupants, and then design a space that will best meet those needs.and your budget.,

As far as my design is concerned , it is a work in progress,and I appreciate any input. Siri can look at it see if there are any aspects of it that she likes and can incorporate in her design.

In my design,I am faced with some limitations . To begin with I have a small building lot, ( well not really but let me explain). The property is 32 M long by 25 M deep

we have already build the fence around the whole property. That 32 m length has being divided in two . On the one section my sister in law has build a small house, and on the remaining 16x25m section I plan to build ours.We keep both lots open to each other as we are a very close knit family, But we place the houses in a way, that if we ever decided to sell one or the other, they could be easily subdivided

The design shown is to scale with in it's self and property.

So What can you build in .16x25m and maintain adequate outdoors spaces?

My design addresses those needs and limitations.

The upstairs could easily be a one story home, but then you will have limited outdoor space. The solution, elevate the house, put the garage under it, and the terrace under it.

like any other terrace , wind driven rain can be a problem,on one side, this problem is mitigated by the Kitchen , stairs and downstairs room, walls

on the other side I am planing on role down wind screens. ( have not decided on the Type yet, need to do some research on the costs involved). The options are , Metal roll-down gates, or bamboo roll-down screens.

This open downstairs area also provides the option that, if at a later time more room was required, sections of it can easily be closed in, to provide the additional space.

Siri I think is going through the same process, she is putting ideas down on paper, where they can be easily rearranged, adjusted,and or discarded.

And you provided her with some good suggestions. I agree , the two Terrance are not a good use of space, one larger would be better, or perhaps a small one in the front for architectural detail, and a larger one on back foe "hanging out".

The Master bdr, and master bath too big,also All I do in the master bedroom is sleep, and some times not even that and with a master bedroom that large, I would never be able to catch my wife , especially as I get older . Smaller bedroom and she never be able to get away from me