Mitt Romney Chooses Paul Ryan As Election Running Mate

[chuckd]

Tea Party Patriots

Official Home of the American Tea Party Movement

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/

Tea Party Patriots

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/

Teaparty.org

http://www.teaparty.org/

and more if you look a little. If you like spin and glitter please feel free. I for one think you need to look a lot deeper than a website.

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There’s just one element missing from these snapshots of America’s ostensibly spontaneous and leaderless populist uprising: the sugar daddies who are bankrolling it, and have been doing so since well before the “death panel” warm-up acts of last summer. Three heavy hitters rule. You’ve heard of one of them, Rupert Murdoch. The other two, the brothers David and Charles Koch, are even richer, with a combined wealth exceeded only by that of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett among Americans. But even those carrying the Kochs’ banner may not know who these brothers are.

Their self-interested and at times radical agendas, like Murdoch’s, go well beyond, and sometimes counter to, the interests of those who serve as spear carriers in the political pageants hawked on Fox News. The country will be in for quite a ride should these potentates gain power, and given the recession-battered electorate’s unchecked anger and the Obama White House’s unfocused political strategy, they might.

http://www.nytimes.c...9rich.html?_r=1

Have you ever heard of George Soros?

[Ulysses G.]

There’s just one element missing from these snapshots of America’s ostensibly spontaneous and leaderless populist uprising: the sugar daddies who are bankrolling it,

George Soros is bankrolling Occupy Wall Street. I'm a LOT more worried about him.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Wiki is a good place to read up on OWS and goes into detail about all the crime and arrests and finances. George Soros is a myth that I think can be shown by just a little research.

Occupy Wall Street Flush With Cash, But Not From Soros

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44892333/Occupy_Wall_Street_Flush_With_Cash_But_Not_From_Soros

notice the source cnbc.com Hear-say is not something I would choose to base my political selections on.

[chuckd]

Wiki is a good place to read up on OWS and goes into detail about all the crime and arrests and finances. George Soros is a myth that I think can be shown by just a little research.

Occupy Wall Street Flush With Cash, But Not From Soros

http://www.cnbc.com/..._Not_From_Soros

notice the source cnbc.com Hear-say is not something I would choose to base my political selections on.

I don't care about OWS. They seem to be mainly a bunch of malcontents out to get something for nothing.

Soros is a very large player in the Democratic party. It is estimated he spent more than $35 Million trying to beat Bush in 2004.

Google is full of his works. Think Moveon.org as a starter.

[koheesti]

Both the Tea Party and the OWS movements now have different agendas from their original focus and have lost credibility. One wonders where all their money originates from.

There are differences...

OWS started about corrupt Wall Street (hence the name) now they are about miscellaneous Marxist-Socialist agendas. They have a nice website where you can see for yourself. They are violent and destroy property on a regular basis.

Tea Party was about tax & spend issues. Today it is about...tax & spend issues plus...? I haven't found their website. Do they have one? I know there were different Tea Parties around the country, but do they have a national website like OWS? They are non-violent, no arrests made at any Tea Party events.

Tea Party Patriots

Official Home of the American Tea Party Movement

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/

Tea Party Patriots

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/

Teaparty.org

http://www.teaparty.org/

and more if you look a little. If you like spin and glitter please feel free. I for one think you need to look a lot deeper than a website.

The first one is a forum. Posters can always be all over the place with subjects just as they are on Thaivisa so it doesn't mean anything.

The second link looks like all tax and fiscal issues, just like the Tea Party should be. http://www.teapartypatriots.org/about/

Now, the third one, is the one I have a problem with. On their page http://www.teaparty.org/about.php, they outline 15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs. To me, 7 are in-line with what I thought the Tea Party was about, taxes and fiscal policy. Most of the others are just standard conservative issues that I don't think belong in the Tea Party (gun rights, family values, English first) no more than Bradley Manning or war issues belong in OWS.

I have no idea who is behind them. but teapartypatriots.org has a more professional site. The teaparty.org is amateurish.

[KeyserSoze01]

There’s just one element missing from these snapshots of America’s ostensibly spontaneous and leaderless populist uprising: the sugar daddies who are bankrolling it,

George Soros is bankrolling Occupy Wall Street. I'm a LOT more worried about him.

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It's all a big show folks, put on once every four years to distract the little people from what is really going on.

George had it right.

[koheesti]

Backed into a corner by Republicans calling for Obama to dump Biden for Hillary, the Dems had no choice but to refuse and stick with him. As bad as people thought Biden made Palin look 4 years ago, Ryan makes Biden look even more the weaker candidate.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/presidential-campaign/243983-white-house-says-obama-is-sticking-with-biden-as-running-mate

[Jingthing]

Backed into a corner by Republicans calling for Obama to dump Biden for Hillary, the Dems had no choice but to refuse and stick with him. As bad as people thought Biden made Palin look 4 years ago, Ryan makes Biden look even more the weaker candidate.

http://thehill.com/h...as-running-mate

They didn't refuse anything. The choice for Biden was made years ago. After Obama's second term, Biden might run but even if he does he won't be nominated. That part is a bit of shame that there won't be a democrat VP in waiting, meaning 2016 will be a very open election.

Anyway, Ryan is toxic for swing voters. Great for the hard core tea party base though. However, so sad for the republicans, that isn't enough to win.

“The Romney/Ryan plan,” she said, “seems to say, ‘I’ve got mine, you get yours the best you can, the heck with you.’”

Americans often oppose government in the abstract but actually want it to do quite a lot. Thanks to Paul Ryan, this year’s debate will be anything but abstract.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-how-paul-ryan-threatens-the-gop/2012/08/15/f70bfcdc-e703-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html?tid=pm_pop

[Jingthing]

A fascinating indictment of the useless, dangerous, ineffective Ryan budget plan from a famous Reaganite! This should throw some cold water on the right wing dreamers who think Ryan is some kind of magical cheesehead Reaganite boy wonder.

Thirty years of Republican apostasy — a once grand party’s embrace of the welfare state, the warfare state and the Wall Street-coddling bailout state — have crippled the engines of capitalism and buried us in debt. Mr. Ryan’s sonorous campaign rhetoric about shrinking Big Government and giving tax cuts to “job creators” (read: the top 2 percent) will do nothing to reverse the nation’s economic decline and arrest its fiscal collapse.

The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=1

[BuckarooBanzai]

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. It's all a big show folks, put on once every four years to distract the little people from what is really going on.

George had it right.

Love this guy. He is missed. His perception of things were always pretty accurate in my book. Wish I could hear his impression of the current candidates. This clip could have been played in BKK by a Thai and would have been equally as accurate.

“The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.”

― George Carlin

“Honesty may be the best policy, but it’s important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.”

― George Carlin

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

― George Carlin

Edited August 17, 2012 by BuckarooBanzai

[Ulysses G.]

A fascinating indictment of the useless, dangerous, ineffective Ryan budget plan from a famous Reaganite!

Stockman was put in mothballs by the Republicans decades ago and he is looking for some payback. Romney/Ryan are not running on the old Ryan plan. They are running on the Romney plan which has some similarities, but is very different.

The funny thing about the Stockman's latest wacky tirade is that he is actually complaining that Ryan is not right-wing enough, but the liberals are embracing him because they are losing the argument and any port in a storm.

Edited August 16, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[geriatrickid]

"Street smart and wiley" Joe Biden strikes again.

Yes. It serves to remind people of this;

On average, in the USA. middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year. Mr. Romney has declared that he paid a federal tax rate of 13.9% in 2010.

Nice.

[Gary A]

My conclusion;

[Ulysses G.]

Obama is rich, Biden is rich. Romney is rich. Ryan is rich. That is pretty typical for a high level politician anywhere in the world. Only an idiot would pay any more taxes than legally required to and Romney is a very successful businessman and politician and is far from an idiot.

[KKvampire]

More Ryan Hypocrisy ,"Im against lobbying for money for my state , I oppose Stimulus package", but then it;s "I don't recall" (asking for stimulus money) Ahh in the true republican tradition, against government programs except when its their own backyard .

http://www.boston.co...BheK/story.html

And here's his double standards on China, so much to find out about the congressman

http://firstread.nbc...-2010-vote?lite

Edited August 17, 2012 by KKvampire

[chuckd]

More Ryan Hypocrisy ,"Im against lobbying for money for my state , I oppose Stimulus package", but then it;s "I don't recall" (asking for stimulus money" Ahh in the true republican tradition, against government programs except when its their own backyard .

http://www.boston.co...BheK/story.html

Here is Ryan's response, taking responsibility for his actions. Something the Obama Administration has failed to do on anything.

As usual, just something else to distract the voting public from Obama's record.

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"Thursday, Ryan responded to the questions himself.

"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.

"Regardless, it's clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again."

http://news.yahoo.co...s-politics.html

[Jingthing]

A fascinating indictment of the useless, dangerous, ineffective Ryan budget plan from a famous Reaganite!

Stockman was put in mothballs by the Republicans decades ago and he is looking for some payback. Romney/Ryan are not running on the old Ryan plan. They are running on the Romney plan which has some similarities, but is very different.

The funny thing about the Stockman's latest wacky tirade is that he is actually complaining that Ryan is not right-wing enough, but the liberals are embracing him because they are losing the argument and any port in a storm.

What is the Romney plan? What is the difference between the Romney and the Ryan plan. When Romney is asked he never answers.

[moe666]

Right wingers want to sell the myth that anyone who works hard in America can become massively wealthy. It happens. But it happens more in OTHER countries these days. They try to get the masses to vote as if they are rich or are going to be rich. It's a scam.

Back to Ryan. Romney HAD said he was going to pick a VP with executive experience and ready to be president. Ryan has NO executive experience, no foreign policy experience, and most definitely is not ready to be president. He's basically a budget WONK. I think this pick will not wear well. (Which pleases me of course.)

By the way since being a job creator is so important to the <snip> why select Ryan as he has never created a job in his life. he is a trust fund baby on the backs of his father and grandfather who paved roads for living, government contracts thank you. He attended college on Social Security Survivor Benefits when his father died but would now denie them for other americans. Ryans budget doesn't start balanceing the budget until 2030 by then he will be gone as we all know things change in Washington. If you are a US citizen and pay income taxes I hope you do not mind paying more so that Mitt can pay less, oo forgot everyone is a millionaire who support the republicans. Edited August 17, 2012 by soundman
Inflammatory.

[moe666]

More Ryan Hypocrisy ,"Im against lobbying for money for my state , I oppose Stimulus package", but then it;s "I don't recall" (asking for stimulus money" Ahh in the true republican tradition, against government programs except when its their own backyard .

http://www.boston.co...BheK/story.html

Here is Ryan's response, taking responsibility for his actions. Something the Obama Administration has failed to do on anything.

As usual, just something else to distract the voting public from Obama's record.

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"Thursday, Ryan responded to the questions himself.

"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.

"Regardless, it's clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again."

http://news.yahoo.co...s-politics.html

I guess he also forgets voteing for the Bush stimulus in 2007 as well, the Bush medicare drug plan, tawrp bail out of banks, he also voted for the republican alternative to Obamas stimulus which was just a few billion less than the Presidents, alot this boy forgets as he has early stage republican alzermiers.

[moe666]

"Street smart and wiley" Joe Biden strikes again.

Yes. It serves to remind people of this;

On average, in the USA. middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year. Mr. Romney has declared that he paid a federal tax rate of 13.9% in 2010.

Nice.

What they do not mention is that these people pay another 7.5 percent in Social Security Taxes and their employer pays anothe 7.5 percent. Mr. Mitt doesn't pay any Social Security as his income is from interest, dividends, and capital gains. The biggest creditor to the US government are the people who pay social security taxes.They rank above China and Japan.

[moe666]

These republicans are just too risky.

You've got to be joking, Obama has been the biggest foreign policy disaster since Carter. Now thanks to his endorsement of the so called Arab spring we have Islamist control over much of the middle east, not to mention it's infiltration of the U.S government. We are effectively negotiating terms of our own surrender to the Taliban whilst leaving Iraq torn by sectarian strife and with a pro-Iranian government.

Ryan could do no worse if he actually tried, which worryingly is what Obama seems to have conciously done.

I have no idea whether Ryan would improve or damage the Republicans chances compared to a more centrist candidate, but such is the devastation Obama has left in his wake that middle of the road policies would be akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. A rapid and radical reversal of the last 4 years is the only hope for saving the U.S from collapse.

Paul Ryan is the only one who has come up with a realistic plan to balance the budget. The other party are kicking the can down the road once again even though we are on the edge of disaster. Of course the plan is not perfect. The two houses need to get together and work out the kinks, but the democrats will not even address it. At the very least, Paul Ryan deserves credit for coming up with a plan to balance the budget when his opponents are studiously ignoring this very important issue .

It doesn't start to balance the budget until 2030 thats a good start huh.

[moe666]

Wowzies, so now we have gone off into the bash the unions and Marxist conspiracies.

I have never been a member of a union, however, I have directly benefited from union activities that provided better and safer working conditions.

In respect to the OWS movement, I have never been a supporter, but I do understand why the movement was so popular. It was a manifestation of frustration at the out of control financial services sector that gave us the financial crisis. What were the consequences of the greed and inappropriate actions of the financial services sector? How many people went to jail? All I know is that everyone else suffered, while these financial services gluttons pocketed unreasonable bonuses. We're still paying for it while the traders that manipulate and play with markets profit. It is one of the reasons why so many people in the financial services sector were leaking info and indirectly supporting the OWS. I worked for one of these firms and saw first hand how some of the people behave, They don't think the rules apply to them.

All of this happened because the people that claim to be in favour of free markets and upholding the law, did not nothing. Mr. Ryan and his ilk want to gut the regulations that keep the markets from becoming even more of a free for all. He wants to "unchain" the markets. It is a simplistic view that assumes the markets operate in an honest and ethical fashion. They do not. If they did, all those large banks now dealing with the tax evasion and money laundering issues wouldn't be in such a mess. The financial services sector doesn't create wealth, but instead sucks out the money from the system and it's a myth to think that regular people without inside knowledge can ever do well in the "market". This isn't 1975 where the traders were on the floor and trading manually. Today, it's split second trading triggered by software with the potential for an uncontrolled juggernaut of trading that could trigger another collapse if the "fail safe" systems malfunction or are circumvented as they did previously. It is a system open to rogue trading because the people supposed to manage their companies are more focused on profit than on responsible behaviour. Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney's platform supports more of the same greedy dangerous behaviour.

Unions did a lot of good at their inception and for the first 50 years. Now, not so much so. They are now the enforcers for the Democratic party and the proud owners of GM and Chrysler, thanks to BHO.

The government caused this recession and, no, it wasn't only the Bush administration. It goes back to the Carter Administration and the passage of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.

Carter started the sub-prime mortgage mess and it was propelled forward by William Jefferson Clinton's Administration when quotas came out from the government that lending institutions must make a certain percentage of their loans to under-qualified borrowers. Bush warned there was going to be a problem with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but was shouted down by Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, et al. All of them with a (D) following their names.

Google is your friend. Look it up.

The use of the Community reinvestment Act is a republican ploy to blame poor people for the failures of the commercial banks. Less than 10 percent of all loans were made under these rules during the mortage bubble. After being sandbagged by a right winger on this I finally got off my ass and looked it up. i checked out 3 different people taken randomly off the internet do not know their political bent. Two didn't even mention the act as a problem and the third gave the less than 10 percent figure, their conclusions were pretty much that the commercial banks were the prime cause of this problem along with Bush adminstration policies of reduceing the amount of paper work that was needed to apply. Chuckd do another search and do not rely so heavily on right wing propaganda Edited August 17, 2012 by moe666

[chuckd]

"Street smart and wiley" Joe Biden strikes again.

Yes. It serves to remind people of this;

On average, in the USA. middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year. Mr. Romney has declared that he paid a federal tax rate of 13.9% in 2010.

Nice.

What they do not mention is that these people pay another 7.5 percent in Social Security Taxes and their employer pays anothe 7.5 percent. Mr. Mitt doesn't pay any Social Security as his income is from interest, dividends, and capital gains. The biggest creditor to the US government are the people who pay social security taxes.They rank above China and Japan.

Romney would be considered self employed. The source of his income has no impact on the amount of FICA a self employed individual must pay, and the rate for self employed individuals in 2012 is 13.3%.

Romney must pay all of it since he is self employed and no employer to share the cost.

From the IRS web site:

"Self-Employment Tax Rate

The 2010 Tax Relief Act reduced the self-employment tax by 2% for self-employment income earned in calendar year 2011. The self-employment tax rate for self-employment income earned in calendar year 2011 is 13.3% (10.4% for Social Security and 2.9% for Medicare). The Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011 extended the self-employment tax reduction of 2% for calendar year 2012 so the rates for 2011 remain in effect for 2012. For self-employment income earned in 2010, the self-employment tax rate is 15.3%. The rate consists of two parts: 12.4% for social security (old-age, survivors, and disability insurance) and 2.9% for Medicare (hospital insurance)."

http://www.irs.gov/b...d=98846,00.html

[koheesti]

"Street smart and wiley" Joe Biden strikes again.

Yes. It serves to remind people of this;

On average, in the USA. middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year. Mr. Romney has declared that he paid a federal tax rate of 13.9% in 2010.

Nice.

Remind us again of the difference between INCOME tax and CAPITAL GAINS tax?

If you do know the difference (and you are certainly smart enough to know), you just might be guilty of trying to mislead people.

Who was Romney's employer in 2010? Right, he didn't have one. He didn't pay INCOME tax, he paid CAPITAL GAINS tax which is a lower rate. Even Democrat icon JFK wanted low Capital Gains tax...

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."

John F. Kennedy

[Neurath]

Does the Ryan plan call for eliminating the federal mortgage-tax deduction and Federal Crop Insurance? If so, it's starting to sound good to me.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Once again, this topic is about Romney's choice for VP and not about Obama.

[KeyserSoze01]

To get the tone of the current campaigns, you have to examine the tact of either side.

The Romney/Ryan ticket are focusing on reforms in health care, reducing taxes across the board through reforming the tax code and reducing government spending. This is their platform and what is being conveyed in the media. Basically a positive campaign.

The Obama/Biden campaign strategy is all negative with every TV advertisement focused on slamming Romney or Ryan for everything from their personal tax returns to how the whole time is still Bush's fault. Pathetic.

So the Dems have chosen to go negative from day one. Why? Because they have NOTHING to offer to improve the economy, reduce unemployment and to reduce the deficit.

I "voted for change" in the last election as I could not bring myself to vote for a McCain/Palin ticket. I won't be making that mistake again. I only wish Ron Paul were electable.

[Ulysses G.]

To get the tone of the current campaigns, you have to examine the tact of either side.

The Romney/Ryan ticket are focusing on reforms in health care, reducing taxes across the board through reforming the tax code and reducing government spending. This is their platform and what is being conveyed in the media. Basically a positive campaign.

The Obama/Biden campaign strategy is all negative with every TV advertisement focused on slamming Romney or Ryan for everything from their personal tax returns to how the whole time is still Bush's fault. Pathetic.

A very accurate analysis.

[geriatrickid]

"Street smart and wiley" Joe Biden strikes again.

Yes. It serves to remind people of this;

On average, in the USA. middle income families, those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year, pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. In 2010 and 2011, Mr. Romney made about $21 million a year. Mr. Romney has declared that he paid a federal tax rate of 13.9% in 2010.

Nice.

Remind us again of the difference between INCOME tax and CAPITAL GAINS tax?

If you do know the difference (and you are certainly smart enough to know), you just might be guilty of trying to mislead people.

Who was Romney's employer in 2010? Right, he didn't have one. He didn't pay INCOME tax, he paid CAPITAL GAINS tax which is a lower rate. Even Democrat icon JFK wanted low Capital Gains tax...

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."

John F. Kennedy

Here's the problem with your argument: One doesn't know the case with Mr. Romney on whether or not he has paid large capital gains taxes since he will not release his tax returns. Personally, I believe that tax returns are a confidential matter. However, the chap has a big problem when he argues for tax breaks for the wealthy and a cloud hangs over his head in respect to allegation of the use of offshore tax shelters and complex transactions used to minimize tax obligations. I am certainly not accusing him of tax evasion, but he has an image problem as long as he refuses to address his personal tax issues. I think he's got a big noisy skeleton in his closet and his campaign will do whatever it takes to avoid the release of the embarrassing information.

[Neurath]

Here's an analysis of the Republican position on taxation.

IMPLICATIONS OF GOVERNOR ROMNEY’S TAX PROPOSALS: FAQS AND RESPONSES

Samuel Brown, William Gale, and Adam Looney Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center August 16, 2012

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001631-FAQ-Romney-plan.pdf