Red Shirts Block Abhisit From Seminar

[GiHadOrange]

Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Was anyone gunned down by snipers on that other rally in Uthai Thani? Or did the police let them hold their rally?

How many people went there?

[MAJIC]

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

You missed the point Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police....One against a hundred is typically fair odds of this unreasonable, uneducated, mob,I guess you haven't wised up or learned about the true meaning of Democracy and Freedom of Speech, yet either.

You probably never will !

Edited August 26, 2012 by MAJIC

[Noistar]

Abhisit, as head of the Thai government, declared the SOE and gave control to the military which then went on to kill Thai citizens. There is precious little "jumping" in that sequence.

Yes it is, you are jumping to the conclusion that Abhisit gave the order to kill Thai citizens! A fact that has not been determined yet, nor have the circumstances that led to the deaths!

He was PM, you know, head of the Parliament and all that.

We know that someone gave the orders.

Iit is not unreasonable to assume that the head of the armed forces and the PM discussed ( with their advisors ) what to do and decided a course of action.

They are therefore responsible.

You take that assumption and mould it into "Abhisit gave the orders to kill"

Is an assumption, a conclusion based on only some of the facts!

[Noistar]

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

You missed the point Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police....One against a hundred is typically fair odds of this unreasonable, uneducated, mob,I guess you haven't wised up or learned about the true meaning of Democracy and Freedom of Speech, yet either.

You probably never will !

Nearly missed it! We're back on topic.

I could take it off topic (again) by a comparison (contrast?) with ms Yingluck who doesn't - IMO- realise what the duties of an MP are, let alone a PM.

All the time we hear reports of Abhisit doing things which a leader of the Opposition should do. Every time we hear the same old '2010' rhetoric! Let's keep going back to 2010, I'm sure Thailand benefits a lot from it.

[Moruya]

You take that assumption and mould it into "Abhisit gave the orders to kill"

Yes.

You should submit that to the Dead Logicians Society. They enjoy a good laugh.

[Ricardo]

He was PM, you know, head of the Parliament and all that.

Technically the Speaker is the 'head of Parliament', the PM is merely head of whatever governing-coalition is currently in-power, until they change sides or an election comes along.

[KireB]

Abhisit, as head of the Thai government, declared the SOE and gave control to the military which then went on to kill Thai citizens. There is precious little "jumping" in that sequence.

Yes it is, you are jumping to the conclusion that Abhisit gave the order to kill Thai citizens! A fact that has not been determined yet, nor have the circumstances that led to the deaths!

He was PM, you know, head of the Parliament and all that.

We know that someone gave the orders.

Iit is not unreasonable to assume that the head of the armed forces and the PM discussed ( with their advisors ) what to do and decided a course of action.

They are therefore responsible.

By using this logic we could go after Obama as well, I mean do you remember the guy who was shot the other day at the Empire State building? He was shot by the police, part of the US government and therefor under responsibility of Obama! The fact that the guy killed someone and was a dangerous gun toting maniac seems of no importance according to your argument.

Same for the reds who besieged downtown Bangkok for weeks, with daily grenade attacks, hospital invasions, men in black terror cells, attacking military bases and radio stations, should I go on ...........and on........... and on....... and on? These for not normal demonstrators for your information.

[saltandpepper]

So, is it or is it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech? By my book, in a democracy it is not. But we all know that reds are anything but democracy lovers, as they even don't know what this word means anyway

[Mosha]

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

You missed the point Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police....One against a hundred is typically fair odds of this unreasonable, uneducated, mob,I guess you haven't wised up or learned about the true meaning of Democracy and Freedom of Speech, yet either.

You probably never will !

Nearly missed it! We're back on topic.

I could take it off topic (again) by a comparison (contrast?) with ms Yingluck who doesn't - IMO- realise what the duties of an MP are, let alone a PM.

All the time we hear reports of Abhisit doing things which a leader of the Opposition should do. Every time we hear the same old '2010' rhetoric! Let's keep going back to 2010, I'm sure Thailand benefits a lot from it.

However don't go any farther back to someonelses atrocities,

[chotthee]

Same same, of is there a difference?

[saltandpepper]

http://www.thaivisa....in-los-angeles/

Same same, of is there a difference?

There is a difference!

[scorecard]

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

Well noting that in the past

Red Shirts have smashed cement blocks through his cars windows

and used extreme violence towards his vehicles,

then he has legitimate reason to be careful.

I find it ironic, but maybe not coincidental,

that Thaksin didn't get his speech in California, because of a large crowd,

and yet they were 100% peaceful.

Is this the quid pro quo payback?

Or just Red business as usual.

They have a history of violently stopping Democratic seminars in several Thai cities Part of the Thaksin Political Machines methods is to stop dissemination of the Democrats message at every juncture possible.

And don't forget the incident when abhisit's driver was pulled out of the car and severly bashed by red thugs. This was two years ago, perhaps more, and there was a news report just a few months ago that the poor guy is still in rehabilitation.

I wouldn't blame anybody from being frightened of these red thugs, and as already said, the police history in these circumstances gives zero comfort.

[chotthee]

So, is it or is it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech? By my book, in a democracy it is not. But we all know that reds are anything but democracy lovers, as they even don't know what this word means anyway

"it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech" Same same to Thaksin just last week (the other way round). What's your excuse?

[Mosha]

So, is it or is it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech? By my book, in a democracy it is not. But we all know that reds are anything but democracy lovers, as they even don't know what this word means anyway

"it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech" Same same to Thaksin just last week (the other way round). What's your excuse?

He was a tourist probably stretching the limits of his visa. Abhisit is leader of the opposition, and is entitled to expect more from the police. Other than them stood around picking their noses and wishing they were back on tea money collecting.

[OzMick]

So, is it or is it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech? By my book, in a democracy it is not. But we all know that reds are anything but democracy lovers, as they even don't know what this word means anyway

"it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech" Same same to Thaksin just last week (the other way round). What's your excuse?

It has been pointed out several times (with video?) on this thread that Thaksin's vehicle was not impeded. Short term memory loss?

[scorecard]

So, is it or is it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech? By my book, in a democracy it is not. But we all know that reds are anything but democracy lovers, as they even don't know what this word means anyway

Or put it another way, it seems the red shirts believe they have the right to block someone from attending a political seminar / rally / demonstration, but nobody has the right to block them from organizing / conducting / a political seminar / rally.

And again, the pm who should be a moral compass of the land is totally silent. (No whispers yet from abroad I guess, so no comment!)

And the red bastians jatuporn and nuttawut, thida and more who spent hours on stage advising / pushing their red followers to demand democracy and justice also totally silent. Proof again that they are about as genuine as a crocodile.

[tlansford]

it comes to my attention that The Nation has a hard time with numbers...

"... Abhisit Vejjajiva was blocked from joining a political seminar in Samut Prakan yesterday by more than 100 red shirts. Abhisit was due to officially open a seminar organised by the party entitled "Assemblies join forces to design Thailand". Before he could arrive, a rally of about 70 red shirts ..."

[Reasonableman]

it comes to my attention that The Nation has a hard time with numbers...

"... Abhisit Vejjajiva was blocked from joining a political seminar in Samut Prakan yesterday by more than 100 red shirts. Abhisit was due to officially open a seminar organised by the party entitled "Assemblies join forces to design Thailand". Before he could arrive, a rally of about 70 red shirts ..."

at least it's not a factor of 10, eh?

[tlansford]

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

You missed the point Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police....One against a hundred is typically fair odds of this unreasonable, uneducated, mob,I guess you haven't wised up or learned about the true meaning of Democracy and Freedom of Speech, yet either.

You probably never will !

the reading comprehension on this forum is dismal...

There is this statement in the article from The Nation

"a rally of about 70 red shirts"

and

"They held placards insulting Abhisit"

followed by

"Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

and this statement :

"Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani."

translates into

"Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police"

sure. that sounds about right. Carry on...

[OzMick]

it comes to my attention that The Nation has a hard time with numbers...

"... Abhisit Vejjajiva was blocked from joining a political seminar in Samut Prakan yesterday by more than 100 red shirts. Abhisit was due to officially open a seminar organised by the party entitled "Assemblies join forces to design Thailand". Before he could arrive, a rally of about 70 red shirts ..."

A red shirt spokesman said they were expecting 3 million protesters to show up. Read it again Tom - BEFORE he arrived 70, WHEN he arrived 100; the additional kwai could have arrived in the meantime, or been down the noodle shop, or around the back at an impromptu "democracy school".

Whichever, picking the Nation for miscounting reds who rarely are within orders of magnitude of their own estimate is getting pretty desperate.

[saltandpepper]

So, is it or is it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech? By my book, in a democracy it is not. But we all know that reds are anything but democracy lovers, as they even don't know what this word means anyway

"it not OK to block and threaten someone who wants to make a speech" Same same to Thaksin just last week (the other way round). What's your excuse?

He was NOT blocked and was NOT threatened. Get your facts right and then you can comment

[OzMick]

A small demo of about 100 persons, outnumbered 2 : 1 by the police and AV turns away.

He must have something very heavy on his conscience if he is that concerned.

"...........Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani.

Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

Rather sad that he seems to be afraid of the electorate.

You missed the point Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police....One against a hundred is typically fair odds of this unreasonable, uneducated, mob,I guess you haven't wised up or learned about the true meaning of Democracy and Freedom of Speech, yet either.

You probably never will !

the reading comprehension on this forum is dismal...

There is this statement in the article from The Nation

"a rally of about 70 red shirts"

and

"They held placards insulting Abhisit"

followed by

"Bang Poo Police station and 200 anti-riot police kept security during the red shirt rally and there was no reports of clashes."

and this statement :

"Abhisit decided to return to the Democrat Party headquarters, and then join a rally in Uthai Thani."

translates into

"Abhisit was entitled to Police protection from a Red Shirt Bunch of Psychopaths,which was not given by the Police"

sure. that sounds about right. Carry on...

"Abhisit said he decided not to join the seminar as security officials believed the incident could turn violent."

Selective reading skills Tom?

Edited August 27, 2012 by OzMick

[Nickymaster]

Ok fine. The day will come that Yingluck will hunted down (assuming Thaksin is not in the country). The reds have proven time after time that it is ok to "attack" a politician.

And BTW, don't forget that this Police Farce only works for PT/Reds/Thaksin. They are the MAIN reason the country has no law and order. They work for money and power, NOT for the people.

Edited August 27, 2012 by Nickymaster

[Moruya]

it comes to my attention that The Nation has a hard time with numbers...

"... Abhisit Vejjajiva was blocked from joining a political seminar in Samut Prakan yesterday by more than 100 red shirts. Abhisit was due to officially open a seminar organised by the party entitled "Assemblies join forces to design Thailand". Before he could arrive, a rally of about 70 red shirts ..."

A red shirt spokesman said they were expecting 3 million protesters to show up. Read it again Tom - BEFORE he arrived 70, WHEN he arrived 100; the additional kwai could have arrived in the meantime, or been down the noodle shop, or around the back at an impromptu "democracy school".

Whichever, picking the Nation for miscounting reds who rarely are within orders of magnitude of their own estimate is getting pretty desperate.

I remember the million man march vividly. A million men, a million litres of petrol, a million litres of blood to pour in Abhisit's private home and bags of shit to throw.

[animatic]

Governments of all nations kill their citizens at various times.

Some in street fights because they are shooting at police and national guard.

There are of course enquiries about it.

In the case of street riots sometimes people die, it is regrettable in all cases,

but those rioting also are held accountable for their actions.

And never given party list positions to prevent their prosecution while in office.

Some citizens die because they are convicted of murders and sentenced to death.

Some in the current government want to speed up the killing just for being drug dealers.

Other citizens die because they can't afford medical care

and the government does nothing to see they get treatment.

Edited August 27, 2012 by animatic

[GeorgeO]

What goes around Comes around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? was there some occasion when a democrat demonstration stopped any PT or red shirt from attending a lawful meeting?

[asiawatcher]

What is it with Thai police they are just beyond useless. They have no will or inclination to do anything which resembles hard work. Perhaps if they actually did a decent days work they may have a case for a pay rise.

Without wanting to get sidetracked, but the police share a fair slice of responsibility for the whole red shirt riots as they were proven to be bias, unwilling and just plain scared to deal with the civil disorder that the red shirts caused. I remember they ran away crying because it was too dangerous. As a result the army was called in. A fact often overlooked

Because there is no money in it?

[473geo]

Of course could just be Abhisit is limited by his ability to identify alternative solutions - unless of course he anticipated that leaving the venue could be used for political gain.....

Protesters seal off access to Parliament

The Nation, Thai News Agency

[craigt3365]

OK guys. Please try to stay on topic here. This is about Abhisit being blocked from a meeting. It's NOT about governments killing people, discussions of gays, etc. OK?

[DaamNaam]

Bully-boy behaviour is all that the knuckle-draggers of the Red Shirt movement know.

Collectively, they remind me of a spoilt three-year-old -- if they don't get what they want, they smash something and blame somebody else.

Touche. Spoilt little brats that never learnt to think for themselves.