Cbr 500Cc Leaked Pic

[taninthai]

If your cbr 250 is tuned up you might not notice to much difference in these bikes mr lazer hard to say until anyone has ridden one

[dave_boo]

So what's the redline on these?

8500 RPM

Good lord.

Is that a joke?

The CBR250 is mocked for having a 10.5k redline.

If 8.5k redline, what RPM does the limiter kick in at? 9.5k?

That kinda passes for the F and X models, but for the sports model that's done to look like a race bike, bit of poor form from Honda, they should tune it differently for that model to get an 11 or 12 redline at least.

8.5k! Blimey.

According to Wikipedia, the ER-6 bikes have peak HP at 8 500 RPM also...and from I can tell cuts out at ~11 000.

If everybody that is 'disappointed' with what Honda is releasing, and Kawasaki has released, from a manhood extension aspect, why don't you just go ahead and pay the stupid prices it will take to sate your ego? We understand that you think you know better than the manufacturer how to market bikes and that's why you have your own successful company (you do don't you?). We understand that there's quite obviously some sort of overcompensation going on. And quite frankly we're sick of hearing it. It's annoying, childish, and clutters up threads.

[mania]

Many 4 stroke twins & especially larger twins are not always associated with RPM

If you look at Bore & Stroke of an engine divide the bore by the stroke

If the result is greater than 1 it is usually more horsepower designed & operated at higher RPM's

If the number is 1 or less the engine is more designed towards torque & runs lower RPM's

If the bore & stroke I have seen for this Honda 500cc engine is as stated 67.0 x 66.8 that puts it right at 1

So more of a torque design

Now look at something like a Ducati Panigale ( forget engine size for these examples)

Panigale is 112 x 60.8 that means 1.84 definitely designed for horsepower & revs like 12,000 rpm

Edited December 4, 2012 by mania

[cbrer]

Many 4 stroke twins & especially larger twins are not always associated with RPM

If you look at Bore & Stroke of an engine divide the bore by the stroke

If the result is greater than 1 it is usually more horsepower designed & operated at higher RPM's

If the number is 1 or less the engine is more designed towards torque & runs lower RPM's

If the bore & stroke I have seen for this Honda 500cc engine is as stated 67.0 x 66.8 that puts it right at 1

So more of a torque design

Now look at something like a Ducati Panigale ( forget engine size for these examples)

Panigale is 112 x 60.8 that means 1.84 definitely designed for horsepower & revs like 12,000 rpm

Exactly... A sports bike.

Honda should have tuned the CBR differently then the F and X.

[taninthai]

That's what they did with the 600cc years ago honda cb 600f(hornet) Honda cbr 600 same engines with the naked bike being detuned slightly said it all through this thread shame they haven't filtered this down to the 500 cc range

[cbrer]

That's what they did with the 600cc years ago honda cb 600f(hornet) Honda cbr 600 same engines with the naked bike being detuned slightly said it all through this thread shame they haven't filtered this down to the 500 cc range

Amen.

A high revving 500cc sports bike for 200k, now that would be very interesting.

Where's Big Mouth BKK? Trying to sue Honda for putting farings on such a bike?

A CBR redlining at 8.5k, I think he'd pass out.

I still might buy the naked version for the city though.

Edited December 4, 2012 by cbrer

[mania]

Many 4 stroke twins & especially larger twins are not always associated with RPM

If you look at Bore & Stroke of an engine divide the bore by the stroke

If the result is greater than 1 it is usually more horsepower designed & operated at higher RPM's

If the number is 1 or less the engine is more designed towards torque & runs lower RPM's

If the bore & stroke I have seen for this Honda 500cc engine is as stated 67.0 x 66.8 that puts it right at 1

So more of a torque design

Now look at something like a Ducati Panigale ( forget engine size for these examples)

Panigale is 112 x 60.8 that means 1.84 definitely designed for horsepower & revs like 12,000 rpm

Exactly... A sports bike.

Honda should have tuned the CBR differently then the F and X.

There is nothing to tune

That design in no way is like a Ducati twin design or other higher revving twins

The Hondas, all three, are the same bike with different shirts

That cannot be helped with any amount of tuning to the engine as all three run

the same. The bore & stroke is close to what they call a square engine

meaning bore & stroke are almost the same.

Without a different engine the CBR can never be tuned into something it isn't

Not at all to imply it isn't a good bike. It just depends on what folks want.

If like you they enjoy revs ( I do myself too ) this is not the bike for that.

Edited December 4, 2012 by mania

[wantan]

http://hellforleathe...ikes-this-year/

"...practicality, affordability, accessibility and fuel economy are the new must-have features..."

Honda just wants to sell motorbikes. Its that easy. They do not care about wannabe racers with little money

Edited December 4, 2012 by wantan

[cbrer]

The Hondas, all three, are the same bike with different shirts

That cannot be helped with any amount of tuning to the engine as all three run

the same. The bore & stroke is close to what they call a square engine

meaning bore & stroke are almost the same.

Well done.

I think you're beginning to understand what we're on about.

[thaicbr]

The Hondas, all three, are the same bike with different shirts

That cannot be helped with any amount of tuning to the engine as all three run

the same. The bore & stroke is close to what they call a square engine

meaning bore & stroke are almost the same.

Well done.

I think you're beginning to understand what we're on about.

Except its going to be the bike used in the Junior cup so there should be some tuning available. Engine and chassis

sent from my Q6

[mania]

Except its going to be the bike used in the Junior cup so there should be some tuning available. Engine and chassis

Yes for sure there will be tuning available. Different fuel maps, exhaust,cams, etc.

These things will tweak the basic design to extract any ponies hidden

Even if it is not used in the Junior cup.

When I said it could not be helped to cbrer I was speaking only about the

inherent design intention & its relation to RPM.

[denkiblue555]

They do not care about wannabe racers with little money

You serious?

[denkiblue555]

Except its going to be the bike used in the Junior cup so there should be some tuning available. Engine and chassis

Yes for sure there will be tuning available. Different fuel maps, exhaust,cams, etc.

These things will tweak the basic design to extract any ponies hidden

Even if it is not used in the Junior cup.

When I said it could not be helped to cbrer I was speaking only about the

inherent design intention & its relation to RPM.

^^ This is true - imagine how the next Cup Racers will feel knowing they were only one year off racing around on a KTM 690 single....(not that it revs high)..

[mania]

^^ This is true - imagine how the next Cup Racers will feel knowing they were only one year off racing around on a KTM 690 single....(not that it revs high)..

Yes for a single cylinder that bike was quite amazing.

Nice suspension too

79hp & 308 lbs !

Edited December 4, 2012 by mania

[wantan]

They do not care about wannabe racers with little money

You serious?

Sure. Honda wants to make money. Not only some money, they want big money. So they build modern bikes for the masses with modular principle and sell them at moderate prices. Imo this is a good thing. There are other brands/bikes to choose from it you need a certain coolness factor. Or you can modify your bike yourself to fit your special "redline needs".

[loserlazer]

Thanks god z800 is coming.

But even z800 giving its peak hp just barely pass 10 k rpm at 10.200 rpm abd torque at 8000 rpm.

If you want to rev, you have to go tor racing.

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Edited December 5, 2012 by loserlazer

[cbrer]

If you want to rev, you have to go tor racing.

Or a Ninja 250.

I think the CBR500 will be a great little all rounder. But them trying to pretend it's a sport's bike is a bit of poor form really.

I think everyone agrees they should have set the engine up differently to the F and X versions.

Edited December 5, 2012 by cbrer

[taninthai]

Interesting ,if you take a quick look at rideasia they seem to be some different pictures of the CBx upside down forks ,spoked wheels the two most noticeable differences oh and twin discs on the front

Edited December 5, 2012 by taninthai

[cbrer]

^ Probably the aftermarket version.

Honda have a catalogue with it decked out in official aftermarket stuff like that.

[taninthai]

Here is the 3 pics all look different

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[denkiblue555]

They do not care about wannabe racers with little money

You serious?

Sure. Honda wants to make money. Not only some money, they want big money. So they build modern bikes for the masses with modular principle and sell them at moderate prices. Imo this is a good thing. There are other brands/bikes to choose from it you need a certain coolness factor. Or you can modify your bike yourself to fit your special "redline needs".

The masses = wannabe racers with little money, no?

Why would anyone else buy a cheap single-cylinder 250cc motorbike with a full-fairing on it, designed to look like a big "sports bike"?

[denkiblue555]

Interesting ,if you take a quick look at rideasia they seem to be some different pictures of the CBx upside down forks ,spoked wheels the two most noticeable differences oh and twin discs on the front

I'm told that in Thailand new bike models are given out to supplier/aftermarket companies to dress up and help promote the new model.

I'd say that in addition to official Honda extras, these variations would be demonstrating what else is possible.

[wantan]

They do not care about wannabe racers with little money

You serious?

Sure. Honda wants to make money. Not only some money, they want big money. So they build modern bikes for the masses with modular principle and sell them at moderate prices. Imo this is a good thing. There are other brands/bikes to choose from it you need a certain coolness factor. Or you can modify your bike yourself to fit your special "redline needs".

The masses = wannabe racers with little money, no?

Why would anyone else buy a cheap single-cylinder 250cc motorbike with a full-fairing on it, designed to look like a big "sports bike"?

The masses want to buy a nice sporty looking bike to have fun and ride it. Wannabe racers are more interested in talking about redlines and hp outputs and they are never satisfied if they have only little money

Edited December 5, 2012 by wantan

[loserlazer]

Cbr500 is a sport bike guys as sport as it can get. I have no worries about it.

I asked the price of upside down fork on full on modified cbx at the show.

They said 40 k! and 4 months later. I m not sure if they can fit cbr500.

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[mania]

Cbr500 is a sport bike guys as sport as it can get. I have no worries about it.

It is probably a fine bike.

Sport? If commuting is a sport then yes.

But Sport in the sense of Sport Bike? I don't consider it such.

But again not to say it is not a fine bike for its purpose.

Here is a good basic definition that even Wikipedia has quoting Soichiro Honda

A sport bike, aka "sportbike" and "sportsbike", is a motorcycle optimized for speed, acceleration, braking, and cornering on paved roads,typically at the expense of comfort and fuel economy by comparison with more standard motorcycles.Soichiro Honda wrote in the owner's manual of the 1959 Honda CB92 Benly Super Sport that, "Primarily, essentials of the motorcycle consists in the speed and the thrill," while Cycle World's Kevin Cameron says more prosaically that, "A sportbike is a motorcycle whose enjoyment consists mainly from its ability to perform on all types of paved highway - its cornering ability, its handling, its thrilling acceleration and braking power, even (dare I say it?) its speed."

Edited December 5, 2012 by mania

[taninthai]

IMO these are the things that should have been standard on the cbr version yes it would mean a higher price for the bike but that's life.

[loserlazer]

Cbr500 is a sport bike guys as sport as it can get. I have no worries about it.

It is probably a fine bike.

Sport? If commuting is a sport then yes.

But Sport in the sense of Sport Bike? I don't consider it such.

But again not to say it is not a fine bike for its purpose.

Yes mania. Commuting is a sport in my sense:D

If you just define sport as laping at the circuit or doing 250 km on highway yes cbr500 might not be the best bike.

Even a cbr250 can get sporty if you want/know to.

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[mania]

If you just define sport as laping at the circuit or doing 250 km on highway yes cbr500 might not be the best bike.

Even a cbr250 can get sporty if you want/know to.

The first ( doing laps at a circuit )would be racing

http://www.asphaltan...-nsf250r-moto3/

Highways? that would be touring regardless of speeds reached

Yes I am sure you can get "sporty" on a cbr250

But your definition & mine are probably different

Edited December 5, 2012 by mania

[loserlazer]

If you just define sport as laping at the circuit or doing 250 km on highway yes cbr500 might not be the best bike.

Even a cbr250 can get sporty if you want/know to.

The first ( doing laps at a circuit )would be racing

http://www.asphaltan...-nsf250r-moto3/

Highways? that would be touring regardless of speeds reached

Yes I am sure you can get "sporty" on a cbr250

But your definition & mine are probably different

Yeah this is what i want to say. Definitions might be different.

But i just wonder, what is your definition then mania?

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Edited December 5, 2012 by loserlazer

[mania]

Yeah this is what i want to say. Definitions might be different.

But i just wonder, what is your definition then mania?

My definition is pretty much the same as I quoted above

A sport bike, aka "sportbike" and "sportsbike", is a motorcycle optimized for speed, acceleration,

braking, and cornering on paved roads,typically at the expense of comfort and fuel economy by comparison

with more standard motorcycles

With Motorcycles as with many things form follows function.

The new Honda's are functional no doubt. When you look at their form, suspension,brakes, engines

it is clear what their function is.

I love & actually owe Honda in my personal life.

They make great products.

I am sure these new bikes are great bikes too.

But when you said "Cbr500 is a sport bike guys as sport as it can get"

I disagreed. Again that is not to say they are bad bikes. I just disagreed with your statement

based on my life/experiences.

Edited December 5, 2012 by mania