Thai govt drops amnesty bills

[MaiChai]

Does this mean they have dropped all the bills they don't need (draft) and just left the bill that passed through? I don't trust this government; they are devious.

[Thailion]

Does this include the bill that is currently in the Senate?

No mate....the senate still gets to vote on that (maybe Monday). If rejected it goes back to the lower house where they have 180 days to convince the senate to pass it or an amended one or they do nothing and it becomes law after 180 days!

Next week could get messy!

[DLock]

PTP got a taste of what will happen should the Amnesty Bill pass the Senate, or they try again in the future.

The people made it very clear what the consequences will be.

Today is a good day...and knowing Thaksin is probably further away from coming home than he ever was, makes it just that much better.

Well done people.

[jdinasia]

Does this include the bill that is currently in the Senate?

No.

The House is the house ... The senate is obligated to take action on the bill before it. They have 3 options. Reject, Revise. Approve.

[Jim walker]

Just following military instructions

[Maggusoil]

You can speculate endlessly about everything and . . . never be happy.

The right result, prevented bloodshed.

[harber8]

Drop the amnesty or get run out of Government house by the people.

The army wouldn't protect them. I Actually prefer that option.

Oh well, if they do finally step down they can always go and work in the circus.

Caught this on Facebook today. You don't need to speak Thai to realise what a bunch of clowns this lot are.

https://www.facebook.com/porntipa.chamnonghpo/posts/10201784894416872

[jdinasia]

Wonder what might happen, if the Senate still considers the Bill on Monday, and approves an amended version, to exclude political-leaders such as former-PMs, ie reverting to the original proposal ?

The people would stay in the streets, more than likely as they would not trust the house to deal with what the senate sent back to them. That is why I expect the senate to reject the current bill before them. Simply to get people off the streets and postpone the inevitable.

I expect when the senate rejects the bill that there will be a censure debate. This will focus on the amnesty bill and the rice pledging scheme.

It is possible that after the senate rejects the bill that Yingluck will dissolve parliament and call for fresh elections if they think they still have enough of Isaan to hold the house. That would allow them to bypass the 180 days needed to reintroduce a bill.

[Zodaka]

The article is not clear at all and perhaps the writer misunderstands. Yesterday the chief whip said at they would vote to withdraw 5 of e 6 bills. The controversial bill handed to the senate has already passed the lower house and technically can not be withdrawn. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

[petedk]

The article is not clear at all and perhaps the writer misunderstands. Yesterday the chief whip said at they would vote to withdraw 5 of e 6 bills. The controversial bill handed to the senate has already passed the lower house and technically can not be withdrawn. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Exactly!

Suppose the senators are bluffing about votoing "no" and the bill gets passed on Monday.

This government cannot be trusted. They are cunning liars as we have seen so many times.

The demonstrators will stay put until the vote is cast.

Edited November 7, 2013 by petedk

[dunks]

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BILL CURRENTLY AWAITING REVIEW BY THE SENATE?!

If that gets through they dont need anything else.....

[petedk]

I'm sure they were warned that they'd be deposed in a coup if they tried to shove it through.

I'm not so sure there is enough backing for a coup.

Remember the leaked tape from Thaksin and (I forget his name) where Thaksin was talking about having the army under control and let the people protest.

We haven't seen an end yet.

[spermwhale]

I take back what I said earlier about a coup being threatened. This highly misleading and poorly reported article fails to mention that there is one bill left. The media in this country is really not up to snuff. Details? Who cares!

Edited November 7, 2013 by spermwhale

[jdinasia]

I'm sure they were warned that they'd be deposed in a coup if they tried to shove it through.

Extremely unlikely at this time. A warning? even more unlikely!

[EvilDrSomkid]

I'm sure they were warned that they'd be deposed in a coup if they tried to shove it through.

I doubt it. Prayuth has been very clear on this. If a coup would be staged, should the amnesty bill now in the senate go through, the shit will really hit the fan.

As in, new bloodshed.

Edited November 7, 2013 by EvilDrSomkid

[jaidam]

I'm sure they were warned that they'd be deposed in a coup if they tried to shove it through.

I'm not so sure there is enough backing for a coup.

Remember the leaked tape from Thaksin and (I forget his name) where Thaksin was talking about having the army under control and let the people protest.

We haven't seen an end yet.

Correct. Everything mentioned on the leaked Thaksin/Yuthasak tape has come true despite the furious denials by PTP party and spokespersons. It's not exactly on topic but well worth reviewing the contents of that tape to see how this will play out.

[oxo1947]

So we don't all get to Reconcile then......................................................

[spermwhale]

Does this include the bill that is currently in the Senate?

No.

The House is the house ... The senate is obligated to take action on the bill before it. They have 3 options. Reject, Revise. Approve.

That's right. This is the main bill. All of the others were just various iterations of the one that's already been passed and is now in the Senate for debate. Nothing is over, nothing is finished and the protests will continue as long as bill number seven is in play. This move by the house is just a ruse, a sideshow.

[prakhonchai nick]

Does this mean they have dropped all the bills they don't need (draft) and just left the bill that passed through? I don't trust this government; they are devious.

YES

Being deliberated 2pm tomorrow

[Hawkman]

I may sound thick here - so, from what I'm hearing here, nothing has changed then? The main Amnesty bill could still be approved by the senate.

So, why is she asking for the protesters to stop, if nothing has changed? Surely the protesters will pick up on the truth behind it and that nothing has changed. Surely she must know this.

[dominique355]

"Timeo Danaos etsi dona ferentes" which means "I don't trust the Greeks even when they bring presents"

It's over 2000 years old (war against Troja) but still valid. Wait for the government's next sneaky attempt to get what Thaksin wants.

And on a side-note: A bill that has been voted, approved and sent forward...how can it be withdrawn? Is that in order with the Constitution and its procedures for passing a law?

[Crossy]

I smell a big, stinky, rat!

[notmyself]

Does this include the bill that is currently in the Senate?

No.

The House is the house ... The senate is obligated to take action on the bill before it. They have 3 options. Reject, Revise. Approve.

Can they revise on the first reading?

[jdinasia]

Does this include the bill that is currently in the Senate?

No.

The House is the house ... The senate is obligated to take action on the bill before it. They have 3 options. Reject, Revise. Approve.

Can they revise on the first reading?

I think they can, I would have to re-read things to be certain.

[schondie]

This is good news indeed!

Perhaps now my wife will come home from protesting and cook a nice dinner for me.

[flyingdoc]

Incredible climb down!

Is it , though, what it seems?

Surely there must be other forces at play? It cannot be that easy to just drop all legislative plans, or was the threat of a coup looming, just too great to swallow?

[Sunisalom]

"During her statement, the premier said the government would by no means use force to disperse protesters at various sites. However, demonstrators were still urged to refrain from entering prohibited sites as it would constitute a felony."

Since when has 'felony' been in the Thai langauge?

The closest translation is "****Thai language edited out****" which means "serious criminal"..... <<< note the singularity!!

-Mel.

Edited November 7, 2013 by metisdead
Thai language edited out of post. This is an English language forum, English is the only acceptable language, except in the Thai language forum where Thai language is allowed.

[Neilly]

Who was the 1?

Ms Yingluck...she didn't understand the question

[bigbamboo]

Wouldn't it be great if the politicians stopped faffing around playing silly buggers and did the job they were elected to do.

An absolute monarchy would be better than this shower.

[petedk]

I may sound thick here - so, from what I'm hearing here, nothing has changed then? The main Amnesty bill could still be approved by the senate.

So, why is she asking for the protesters to stop, if nothing has changed? Surely the protesters will pick up on the truth behind it and that nothing has changed. Surely she must know this.

She doesn't know anything and just says what she is told to say by the puppetmaster, but maybe he has lost touch with reality.