BMA-owned CCTVs fail to film grenade thrower

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State-Owned CCTVs Fail To Film Grenade Thrower

By Khaosod English

BANGKOK: -- CCTVs operated by Bangkok authority have reportedly failed to capture the identity of the man who threw a grenade at anti-government protesters near Victory Monument yesterday.

The brazen attack, perpetrated in daylight and in the heart of the capital city, wounded at least 28 people. 9 of the them were described to be in critical condition.

The perpetrator was filmed on CCTV owned by a shop in the vicinity as he hurled the grenade toward the supporters of the People′s Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King As Head of State (PCAD) who were rallying at Victory Monument, before fleeing the scene.

However, other 16 CCTVs installed in high position around the area by Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) did not film the perpetrator, because they have been covered by anti-government protesters prior to the attack, said Mr. Sukhumbhand Paribatra, the Governor of Bangkok.

According to Mr. Sukhumbhand, the authorities have resorted to asking for CCTV footage installed by private shops in the area. The evidences have been copied on DVDs for further investigation, he added.

The Governor also said that BMA officials have already asked the anti-government protesters to remove the veils they had placed on CCTVs in the area.

Source: http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNU1ESXhNalE1Tnc9PQ==


-- Khaosod English 2014-01-20

[pipkins]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Why would PDRC not want pics of them being shot at and bombed.

Lots of photos of cameras with black bags on them.

Just seen (real life) white shirts going off to somewhere. V middle class, nice cars etc. Hope they put an end to this thuggery.

Anybody fancy holiday in Sutheps thuggish heartland? Lot of nasty pics of armed guards strutting about. But, the army seem to like this image of thailand photo'd and sent around the world... Who are we to argue.

Police done all they can in this I woud say. Obstructions, lies, red-herrings, cameras with bags on, late route changes, Army and thugs trampling crime scene.

Done more than enough. Certainly enough to keep the Army from coming in

[Nowhereman60]

Now why would the protesters cover the cameras unless they were hiding something. Something illegal like drugs or guns, or both.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Nowhereman60

[soi41]

A peaceful demonstration of middleclass Thais cover the CCTVs in a city controlled by the Democrats??

To all you conspiracy-posters out there, The forum is yours!!

[soi41]

Now why would the protesters cover the cameras unless they were hiding something. Something illegal like drugs or guns, or both.

They are trying to hide democracy!!

[Cricketnut]

Oh how convenient! I wonder who has something to hide? Certainly cannot blame the red shirts, oh sorry I meant the white shirts for covering up state owned CCTV cameras. And what of the safety of the food vendors other Thais and tourists? Noah just collateral damage and gross negligence and selfishness by the PCAD and Suthep on this occasion. How sick and selfish will these people go to try and obtain power away from what International and Thai observers stated that the elections were fair. Now how do the injured gain justice? The police did try to do their jobs oh and look who covered this horrendous crime! No not debatable now I dare say. Should change my moniker to I hate Suthep! My comments, yes brazen, my rage? No word to describe. Please pro Suthep supporter's respond I don't give a damn... To many co-incidents in to short a time.....need I go on...

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[Scamper]

As we all have now seen the pictures from the shop in the vicinity, that is the first tangible clue. Without a police department in place to proceed with the investigation, these pictures released publically now play a greater role. Without a doubt, the Governor of Bangkok's suggestion for the protesters to remove the blockages to the CCTV cameras is very good advice. Whenever atrocities like this are committed, the greatest asset of the attacker or attackers is always anonymity. For one reason - they are cowards first, terrorists second. One assumes he was unaware that he was caught on camera. But caught on camera he was. He was also spotted and chased. And one gets the distinct impression that he will be considerably shy in the days ahead. We cannot hope that he will be ashamed. Information - and the media - are the most effective tools of the protest movement. But they are the most effective tools in a free society. Wherever the eyes of the public are focused - are the areas where acts against humanity are less likely to occur.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Scamper

[PatOngo]

Was the one on the grassy knoll working?

[whybother]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Why would PDRC not want pics of them being shot at and bombed.

Lots of photos of cameras with black bags on them.

Just seen (real life) white shirts going off to somewhere. V middle class, nice cars etc. Hope they put an end to this thuggery.

Anybody fancy holiday in Sutheps thuggish heartland? Lot of nasty pics of armed guards strutting about. But, the army seem to like this image of thailand photo'd and sent around the world... Who are we to argue.

Police done all they can in this I woud say. Obstructions, lies, red-herrings, cameras with bags on, late route changes, Army and thugs trampling crime scene.

Done more than enough. Certainly enough to keep the Army from coming in

There were photos of police covering cameras with black plastic in December last year prior to the first protest.

Edited January 20, 2014 by whybother

[ChrisY1]

Probably the cameras have nothing inside???.........has been know to occur here in the LoS

[FangFerang]

Wow. All of us have to ask: "Why? Why were the cameras covered and the route changed?" They obviously must have covered the cameras well before the arrival of the march.... The Bangkok Governor is PDRC aligned, and he issued the statement.

Something is rotten in Denmark, and it's not even Denmark....

This stinks like a week old corpse, and people were killed. Human beings, with friends and families and neighbors. They were marching for something they believed in, a better future, and they may have been betrayed by the very people they were marching for.

This is too public. The truth will have out. The media will have a field day with this, here and abroad.

Thai people deserve better than this.

[robblok]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Why would PDRC not want pics of them being shot at and bombed.

Lots of photos of cameras with black bags on them.

Just seen (real life) white shirts going off to somewhere. V middle class, nice cars etc. Hope they put an end to this thuggery.

Anybody fancy holiday in Sutheps thuggish heartland? Lot of nasty pics of armed guards strutting about. But, the army seem to like this image of thailand photo'd and sent around the world... Who are we to argue.

Police done all they can in this I woud say. Obstructions, lies, red-herrings, cameras with bags on, late route changes, Army and thugs trampling crime scene.

Done more than enough. Certainly enough to keep the Army from coming in

There were photos of police covering cameras with black plastic in December last year prior to the first protest.

Really love to believe this of course, if true it does nor change it much. I mean to cover up camera's is normal you dont want yourself on the governments shit list. Privacy to demonstrate ect. It would however be a different story if they were covered up the same day or week.

[pumpuiman]

Khaosod comes out with another ridiculous headline, implying that the BMA is at fault.

It should read "Anti government protesters block BMA CCTV cameras resulting in no footage of grenade attack"

I wish Thai Visa would consider not posting articles from this source,

[gerry1011]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Why would PDRC not want pics of them being shot at and bombed.

Lots of photos of cameras with black bags on them.

Just seen (real life) white shirts going off to somewhere. V middle class, nice cars etc. Hope they put an end to this thuggery.

Anybody fancy holiday in Sutheps thuggish heartland? Lot of nasty pics of armed guards strutting about. But, the army seem to like this image of thailand photo'd and sent around the world... Who are we to argue.

Police done all they can in this I woud say. Obstructions, lies, red-herrings, cameras with bags on, late route changes, Army and thugs trampling crime scene.

Done more than enough. Certainly enough to keep the Army from coming in

These criminal yellow protesters don't like the truth to be known.

By obstucting the cctv cameras they make their propaganda easier to swallow by Suthep's naive followers (at least the few left)

Hopefully the truth always emerges

[Crossy]

Interesting, since this post and photos http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684284-govt-to-restore-control/?p=7081840 suggest it was someone else that covered the CCTV.

[robblok]

Interesting, since this post and photos http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684284-govt-to-restore-control/?p=7081840 suggest it was someone else that covered the CCTV.

Ouch.. the proof i have been asking for it was the police.. now according to the red logic it is now sure the police was in on it why else would they cover it up.

Actually i dont think its linked.. too far apart date wise. But its good to turn logic back on them.

I still think even if the protesters covered it up it would not have been an admission of guilt as those images could be used against even peaceful protestors. Jobs lost maybe ect you were at the protests.. your fired ect ect.

[AleG]

Interesting, since this post and photos http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684284-govt-to-restore-control/?p=7081840 suggest it was someone else that covered the CCTV.

Whooops... as another straw crumbles in the conspiracist's hand.

[anon467367354]

With all this rage and finger pointing at Suthep,

Is there any definitive proof as to who covered the cameras

Or why they are not working?

[Costas2008]

soi41, on 20 Jan 2014 - 17:35, said:

A peaceful demonstration of middleclass Thais cover the CCTVs in a city controlled by the Democrats??

To all you conspiracy-posters out there, The forum is yours!!

Hey, welcome back, hope you are all right......missed your good posts.

[Loles]

I guess to cover a public camera it is crime, anyway they think they can do anything cause they are the bla - bla - bla society people. Congratulation.

[pookiki]

From the content of the article, it indicates the BMA was aware of the situation and did not intervene with the PDRC until this tragedy. Thankfully, there was some CCTV footage so the police can do their job.

[Emptyset]

There were photos of police covering cameras with black plastic in December last year prior to the first protest.

Yeah, but police removed their covers after BMA complained. Also seen pictures of protesters covering them. Don't know why, but it seems to be standard practice (red shirts also did it). I wouldn't assume anything necessarily untoward wrt to the grenade attack. They probably just do it because they think police will spy on them, not because they think someone on their own side is going to bomb them. Or if they have to use weapons etc. There's a lot of things they wouldn't want caught on camera, lot of reasons to do it other than the conspiracy bombing angle.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Emptyset

[JohanB]

A little difficult to identify, but there must be many more cctv vids of this man, now when they know his looking

[pookiki]

There were photos of police covering cameras with black plastic in December last year prior to the first protest.

Yeah, but police removed their covers after BMA complained. Also seen pictures of protesters covering them. Don't know why, but it seems to be standard practice (red shirts also did it). I wouldn't assume anything necessarily untoward wrt to the grenade attack. They probably just do it because they think police will spy on them, not because they think someone on their own side is going to bomb them. Or if they have to use weapons etc. There's a lot of things they wouldn't want caught on camera, lot of reasons to do it other than the conspiracy bombing angle.

I agree, it would appear to be SOP -- but you can't rag on the police for not providing adequate security when you are disabling the best security you have against kind of attacks the occurred on Sunday. It's being irresponsible to the people attending the rally. Leave them uncovered during the rally times and cover them up, again.

[djjamie]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Why would PDRC not want pics of them being shot at and bombed.

Lots of photos of cameras with black bags on them.

Just seen (real life) white shirts going off to somewhere. V middle class, nice cars etc. Hope they put an end to this thuggery.

Anybody fancy holiday in Sutheps thuggish heartland? Lot of nasty pics of armed guards strutting about. But, the army seem to like this image of thailand photo'd and sent around the world... Who are we to argue.

Police done all they can in this I woud say. Obstructions, lies, red-herrings, cameras with bags on, late route changes, Army and thugs trampling crime scene.

Done more than enough. Certainly enough to keep the Army from coming in

Why would PDRC not want pics of them being shot at and bombed.

Same reason the UDD militia covered camera's during the brutal terrorist uprising in 2010 I suppose.

So they can get up to some shenanigans.

[poisonus]

Those security cameras were covered back in December and there were pictures circulation around the demonstrator facebook pages etc.... They were not being covered by the protesters, they were being covered by either someone from a government agency or by the police. This was 2 days before the teargas and water cannon battles happened.

The protesters were complaining that they were being covered up because the police wanted to shoot at them with live bullets.... which of course they did.

But then again, another Khaosod anti-protest report.

Did the interview even happen? One has to ask oneself.

[Crushdepth]

Now why would the protesters cover the cameras unless they were hiding something. Something illegal like drugs or guns, or both.

Ridiculous comments like these just highlight your own rusted on political leanings.

[diceq]

Those security cameras were covered back in December and there were pictures circulation around the demonstrator facebook pages etc.... They were not being covered by the protesters, they were being covered by either someone from a government agency or by the police. This was 2 days before the teargas and water cannon battles happened.

The protesters were complaining that they were being covered up because the police wanted to shoot at them with live bullets.... which of course they did.

So you know for a fact that cameras were covered up at Victory Monument and at the Thai-Japanese stadium? Care to share that source with us perhaps? Could it be that the photos that have been circulating were not from those areas, and possibly uncovered the next day?

Edited January 20, 2014 by diceq

[EricBerg]

Wow. All of us have to ask: "Why? Why were the cameras covered and the route changed?" They obviously must have covered the cameras well before the arrival of the march.... The Bangkok Governor is PDRC aligned, and he issued the statement.

Something is rotten in Denmark, and it's not even Denmark....

This stinks like a week old corpse, and people were killed. Human beings, with friends and families and neighbors. They were marching for something they believed in, a better future, and they may have been betrayed by the very people they were marching for.

This is too public. The truth will have out. The media will have a field day with this, here and abroad.

Thai people deserve better than this.

A post from Waza in november I think... pasted under this topic by Crossy too:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684284-govt-to-restore-control/?p=7081840

There's something fishy in the state of Denmark indeed.

Edited January 20, 2014 by EricBerg

[diceq]

A post from Waza in november I think... pasted under this topic by Crossy too:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/684284-govt-to-restore-control/?p=7081840

There's something fishy in the state of Denmark indeed.

Totally worthless unless we know the location and how long these were covered up.