Protest leader Suthep rejects negotiations with govt

[SamMunich]

espinoza:

The government does really not have anything to discuss with the facist-movement.

No, they only need to talk to themselves... and Dab Daeng!

[SamMunich]

Folks I read here all the time the question, what Suthep wants to change?

How about using our own brain cells and figure out, what is wrong?

* Do we want corruption?

* Do we want nepotism?

* Do we want squandering of public money aka taxes?

* Do we want politicians, that are lying and cheating?

* Do we want a better education for all?
* Do we want a more even income distribution instead of the boss takes nearly all?

* Do we want all Thais having the feeling, that life in Thailand is worthwhile?

This is just a 5-seconds brainstormign result, but I'm sure there are much more things we want to change and which we can agree on.

To support a person like Taksin is certainly nothing to go for. He has already more money than he can spend in the rest of his live.

So why help him to get even more? We also know, how money can be spent...

[hellodolly]

Protest Leader? He's not the protest leader, he's the front for his bosses.

And one who clearly doesn't care how many innocents die as long as he gets his way.

Actually who pissed on your cereal. Five years a relative quite member and all of a sudden the Thai grass roots people step forth and say they want an end to corruption and you become a posting tiger defending the corrupter's.

[Goat Roper]

Could't agree more. Tell YL, her brother and all the rest of PT to pound sand.

Pound sand...<deleted> does that mean?

Are you telling them to put a couple of quid on the sand? or get a hammer each and "pound sand" at say Pattaya beach?

God you read some dribble on this forum

No insult intended, but if you don't know what "go pound sand" means, you are obviously not an American, or you are, but one under the age of 40.

Pound Sand

"The origin of the expression go pound sand is from a longer expression, not to know (have enough sense to) pound sand down a rathole. Filling rat holes with sand is menial work, and telling someone to pound sand down a hole is like telling them to go fly a kite. The expression dates to at least 1912 and is common in the midwestern United States."

Source: Urban Dictionary.

by anonymous October 31, 2003

Thank you kindly Just1!voice. You are spot on and a much better explanation than I could give.

Goat

[tezzainoz]

I think Suthep the butcher actually enjoys seeing division, chaos and people die.

Any leader with any brains and sense of maturity and responsibility would have been at the negotiating table weeks ago.

You are allowed an opinion

but Any leader with any brains and sense of maturity and responsibility have seen Yingluck has no say in the matter and as the real leader will not be their the who thing is a sham

The same can be said for Suthep. Christ! You can just not help it can you?

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Please correct me if I a wrong so your now saying that Suthep is not the mad hysterical leader who want to run the country, like all the Taskin supporters have been writing for the last 2 months

And like Yingluck he is only doing what he is told

At last we both agree with each other

[ShannonT]

Folks I read here all the time the question, what Suthep wants to change?

How about using our own brain cells and figure out, what is wrong?

* Do we want corruption?

* Do we want nepotism?

* Do we want squandering of public money aka taxes?

* Do we want politicians, that are lying and cheating?

* Do we want a better education for all?

* Do we want a more even income distribution instead of the boss takes nearly all?

* Do we want all Thais having the feeling, that life in Thailand is worthwhile?

This is just a 5-seconds brainstormign result, but I'm sure there are much more things we want to change and which we can agree on.

To support a person like Taksin is certainly nothing to go for. He has already more money than he can spend in the rest of his live.

So why help him to get even more? We also know, how money can be spent...

Suthep and Abhisit have been in power for almost 3 years.

What changes have they actually worked on implementing?

Suthep said he could reform the entire country in 1 1/2 years and then hold new elections.

If he can do it in 1 1/2 years, why didn't he do it in 3 years?

[nabbie]

He said it was unnecessary to find a mediator for negotiations since “a country is not for trading and the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) has organised rallies, aiming at changes and appointment of a good person to run the country.”

Not taking either sides - the above sentence is not strong to define the clear & loud meaning.

Does that mean Yingluck proposes mediator?

What does "good person" mean?

In conclusion, I don't understand at all

Edited February 25, 2014 by nabbie

[mrtoad]

I think Suthep the butcher actually enjoys seeing division, chaos and people die.

Any leader with any brains and sense of maturity and responsibility would have been at the negotiating table weeks ago.

Well, he said he admires the popcorn shooters that shoot at civilians. And he also said he "enjoys their work".

In other words, he admires killers and enjoys murder.

I believe that your beloved Red Shirts are not adverse to a spot of baby killing, arson and intimidation. The Red Thug gathering with fat boy Jatuporn, and The Wicked Witch of The East Thilda was a good example of that. No need to go back in time, but your Red lot don't have a good history when it comes to the rule of law and democracy. Edited February 25, 2014 by mrtoad

[hellodolly]

Yingluck will no longer be caretaker on 3rd March.

I think that is when negotiations start.

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She may be dense but eventually the message gets through to her that their will be no negotiations. Suthep wants her and the rest of her clan gone. Then I am sure he would be willing to talk with any one.

Then Thailand can move into the future with there head held high. If she wasn't good looking she would probably not be in office today.

I see the supporters of corruption are out in force here. Talking about a legally elected government and what not. I have often wondered why a foreigner would come to a foreign country and openly support corruption. I bet most of them are working here.

Would there be a chance for the people who talk about a legally elected government to point out in the law where vote buying is legal and mishandling of ballots along with village head men standing there to make sure you vote the way they tell you.

Just a little thing should be no problem for you legal beagals who are on and on and on and on and on about a legally elected government. Won't even get into the rice scam or the missing money for Water Management the mishandling of the floods. The lack of cheap useless pads that were promised. Lets not talk about all the time the government wasted trying to white wash a criminal just because he was paying them big money and calling into the cabinet meetings to give them instructions.

Lets not talk about that just where does it say that elections are legal the way they are run.

[hellodolly]

I think Suthep the butcher actually enjoys seeing division, chaos and people die.

Any leader with any brains and sense of maturity and responsibility would have been at the negotiating table weeks ago.

Well, he said he admires the popcorn shooters that shoot at civilians. And he also said he "enjoys their work".

In other words, he admires killers and enjoys murder.

I believe that your employers are not adverse to a spot of baby killing, arson and intimidation. The Red Thug gathering with fat boy Jatuporn, and The Wicked Witch of The East Thilda was a good example of that. No need to go back in time, but your Red lot don't have a good history when it comes to the rule of law and democracy.

If you have a year to spare I think you could get them to understand it. Not sure maybe two years.

[djjamie]

I don't think Suthep is a butcher and I don't think he enjoys seeing people die.

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. "Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

- Quote by Suthep

I think he is steadfast on ensuring all the principles of democracy will be adhered too post ballot box.

That's why he's trying to toppled an elected government, block elections and install an unelected "people's council". To ensure that Democracy will be upheld, right?

Democracy can not be watered down. Negotiations in allowing a watered down democracy is in fact making PTP stronger. Democracy and PT are inversely proportional. The weaker democracy is the more powerful PT is.

Absolutely right. We have to stop people from voting and let Suthep choose the next government. No negotiations and no discussions are the only way we can be sure that Democracy will prevail.

Sometimes I wonder if certain ThaiVisa posters glow at night in the dark from all the intelligence that is trying to escape from their brains.

He is as much a butcher as you think Jatuporn and Nattawut are butchers or is only Suthep a butcher because you don't support him? Jatuporn and Nattawut are the "good old boys" from your team. Your statement also does not address Suthep enjoying seeing people die. But please don't address that.

When the government were elected he didn't try to topple it. Govt is now in caretaker mode and he is trying to topple it.

However let me draw your attention to the following "Democracy". Al- Bashir won the last election in Sudan with 68% of the vote I believe. He has ruled Sudan since 1989, al-Bashir is wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity, namely in the Darfur region. 2.7 million people are believed to have been displaced since 2003 as a result of his military campaign against the Darfur rebels. He was elected. I would suggest they need reform as well, I would suggest that government need toppling, but some would suggest that because he was elected by the majority this not need be the case. It is.

Democracy does not stop post ballot box. That is were it begins. Elections are but one principle of democracy. I have stated before every principle the PTP abused while in power and I even asked you what the principles of democracy were, but as usual you won't answer the "hard" questions. Just like the question I asked you before.

​I see how you operate now ShannonT. You enjoy being on the attack. As soon as you are put on the defensive you either retreat (shutdown for the night) or cherry pick a statement and go back on the attack. That is not a sign of confidence in a party you support.

I look forward to further healthy debates with you.

[robblok]

I wonder how many of the TV red shirts are married and living in north and northeast Thailand, vrs the TV Yellow shirts living in central and southern Thailand.

We should conduct a survey.

Actually i think the correlation and causation is more in IQ and education. With the red shirts on the lower part of the IQ tree. With a few exceptions of course.

[ShannonT]

I believe that your beloved Red Shirts are not adverse to a spot of baby killing, arson and intimidation. The Red Thug gathering with fat boy Jatuporn, and The Wicked Witch of The East Thilda was a good example of that. No need to go back in time, but your Red lot don't have a good history when it comes to the rule of law and democracy.

Looks like you changed your opinion on name-calling? This is something you wrote last year:

Now, if you are talking about people, who oppose your views, it's rather sad that someone of your high intellect would revert to that type of name calling.

I liked the old you better. You know, the one that doesn't feel the need to spice up posts with name-calling.

[mrtoad]

I believe that your beloved Red Shirts are not adverse to a spot of baby killing, arson and intimidation. The Red Thug gathering with fat boy Jatuporn, and The Wicked Witch of The East Thilda was a good example of that. No need to go back in time, but your Red lot don't have a good history when it comes to the rule of law and democracy.

Looks like you changed your opinion on name-calling? This is something you wrote last year:

Now, if you are talking about people, who oppose your views, it's rather sad that someone of your high intellect would revert to that type of name calling.

I liked the old you better. You know, the one that doesn't feel the need to spice up posts with name-calling.

Well it certainly wasn't aimed at you.

Which would also suggest, that you are a reincarnation of a previously banned member.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Yingluck will no longer be caretaker on 3rd March.

I think that is when negotiations start.

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And Suthep never was a caretaker PM and never will be. They have no viable candidates for PM on their side, All the moderates have been attacked and sidelined by Suthep.

The military has a question mark over it, due to Navy Seal PDRC guards. Yingluk is the only viable calm, moderate person that has any mandate to be PM. We know she won the elections too.

There are no real other options with any viable claim to be PM. I see TheNation proposed 'Chitpas', the Singa heiress, so they're scraping the bottom of the bottle.

Edited February 25, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[ShannonT]

I believe that your beloved Red Shirts are not adverse to a spot of baby killing, arson and intimidation. The Red Thug gathering with fat boy Jatuporn, and The Wicked Witch of The East Thilda was a good example of that. No need to go back in time, but your Red lot don't have a good history when it comes to the rule of law and democracy.

Looks like you changed your opinion on name-calling? This is something you wrote last year:

Now, if you are talking about people, who oppose your views, it's rather sad that someone of your high intellect would revert to that type of name calling.

I liked the old you better. You know, the one that doesn't feel the need to spice up posts with name-calling.

Well it certainly wasn't aimed at you.

Which would also suggest, that you are a reincarnation of a previously banned member.

There is a search function, you know?

[ShannonT]

Yingluck will no longer be caretaker on 3rd March.

I think that is when negotiations start.

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And Suthep never was a caretaker PM and never will be. They have no viable candidates for PM on their side, All the moderates have been attacked and sidelined by Suthep.

The military has a question mark over it, due to Navy Seal PDRC guards. Yingluk is the only viable calm, moderate person that has any mandate to be PM. We know she won the elections too.

There are no real other options with any viable claim to be PM. I see TheNation proposed 'Chitpas', the Singa heiress, so they're scraping the bottom of the bottle.

Unfortunately Ms. Chitpas is an even more divisive figure, after she called the people of the North "uneducated" in one of her speeches. The truth is that she probably blew any political chances she ever had because that statement will always come back to haunt her in any election she may participate in.

[djjamie]

I think Suthep the butcher actually enjoys seeing division, chaos and people die.

Any leader with any brains and sense of maturity and responsibility would have been at the negotiating table weeks ago.

I notice your calling Suthep names now. Is that to allow you to actually define your opponent, based on just a few facts, or even on no facts whatsoever.

Maybe it is to imply that it is okay to "remove" people if you call them the right name, like butcher or fascist thug.

Why do you think he enjoys seeing people die? Is this a fact or a belief?

I don't think Suthep is a butcher and I don't think he enjoys seeing people die. I think he is steadfast on ensuring all the principles of democracy will be adhered too post ballot box. Democracy can not be watered down. Negotiations in allowing a watered down democracy is in fact making PTP stronger. Democracy and PT are inversely proportional. The weaker democracy is the more powerful PT is. The stronger the democracy the weaker PT is. Checks and balances are the PT's worst enemy. As is shown in this minefield of legally issues they just can't ever seem to escape from.

Not sure you are on the same planet as Suthep... he is one of the least Democratic people in this whole mess... follow his past read his history... far from "ensuring all the principles of democracy will be adhered too post ballot box. " way far away from it... he uses the "D" word as a slogan...nothing more.....

Least democratic. Compared to who? If it is compared to the current PTP then he shines above them all. I won't continually repeat the principles of democracy that the PTP abused during their tenure. The list is too long and exhaustive. Suffice to say when I ask the UDD / PTP supporters what the principles of democracy are I get no reply. No reply on that anyway. I do get a reply about something completely unrelated that involves demonizing Suthep. But nothing on democracy. I am sure you will be they same? I ask you what the principles of democracy are? What you purport the PTP represent.

So I look forward to an example of Suthep using the "D" word as a slogan?

Look forward to hearing what the principles of democracy are that the PTP are fighting for. AND no, I already know about elections. I mean the others.

[blaze]

What a surprise. He's leading a lawless mob trying to topple and elected government, what can he negotiate?

What's to discuss, Yingluck won't leave, her brother won't let her. She steps down, the protests end. I suppose they could discuss an amnesty for all her crimes against the Thai people, but she would have to talk to the courts. We all know PTP won't recognize the courts decisions, so maybe she will stay in Chiang Mai surrounded by her 6,000 UDD guards. I don't know if the army would come after her, the police sure wouldn't.

What court decsions has the gov't failed to abide by?

Yes Yingluck could step down- but nature abhors a vaccuum-- the one thing keeping the reds at bay is their diminishing hope that the process be allowed to work.

And how do you know her decision to hang on to power is simple obedience to her brother? You don't. It might be that she does not want to bear responsibility for opening the stage to full out civil war.

[Baerboxer]

I don't think Suthep is a butcher and I don't think he enjoys seeing people die.

"They should come because popcorn vendors have made popcorn for them," Suthep said, referring to the gunmen at the clash between the red shirts and PDRC protesters before election day. "Natthawut Saikuar and Jatuporn Promphan should really come … I don't know these popcorn vendors but I really love them."

- Quote by Suthep

I think he is steadfast on ensuring all the principles of democracy will be adhered too post ballot box.

That's why he's trying to toppled an elected government, block elections and install an unelected "people's council". To ensure that Democracy will be upheld, right?

Democracy can not be watered down. Negotiations in allowing a watered down democracy is in fact making PTP stronger. Democracy and PT are inversely proportional. The weaker democracy is the more powerful PT is.

Absolutely right. We have to stop people from voting and let Suthep choose the next government. No negotiations and no discussions are the only way we can be sure that Democracy will prevail.

Sometimes I wonder if certain ThaiVisa posters glow at night in the dark from all the intelligence that is trying to escape from their brains.

Suthep is well out of order with these remarks against other terrorists.

However, all this topple an elected government nonsense. PTP brought this all on themselves with their illegal activities, cheating and telling too many lies. Thai people tolerated a lot but the Amnesty Bill whitewash Thaksin fiasco was just too much, the final straw.

No doubt Suthep and his cronies hi-jacked things for their own very dangerous agenda. But don't try and use that to hide all PTP's substantial short comings when in office, or make them out to be the party of democracy, law and order and ethics. They ain't, Two gangs at war for the spoils - no more no less.

Pity the Thai people, the farmers, the decent hardworking people in the North, South and Bangkok. Not the elites - whichever gang they currently belong too.

[Baerboxer]

What a surprise. He's leading a lawless mob trying to topple and elected government, what can he negotiate?

What's to discuss, Yingluck won't leave, her brother won't let her. She steps down, the protests end. I suppose they could discuss an amnesty for all her crimes against the Thai people, but she would have to talk to the courts. We all know PTP won't recognize the courts decisions, so maybe she will stay in Chiang Mai surrounded by her 6,000 UDD guards. I don't know if the army would come after her, the police sure wouldn't.

What court decsions has the gov't failed to abide by?

Yes Yingluck could step down- but nature abhors a vaccuum-- the one thing keeping the reds at bay is their diminishing hope that the process be allowed to work.

And how do you know her decision to hang on to power is simple obedience to her brother? You don't. It might be that she does not want to bear responsibility for opening the stage to full out civil war.

Do you think she is going to answer the Ombudsman's questions at long last? That she will fully co-operate with the NACC and make all transactions, accounting and inventory records available showing full transparency.

Did the government not openly say they would not abide by the CC decisions on certain matters that they happened to disagree with?

She says her family want peace not power. Why not go then and be acclaimed as an unselfish states person, maybe to return to politics later? What does she want to hide?

[binjalin]

He'd better go tell his monk friend then... no more Alms for him!

[rocky3]

if the army is really here to protect the country then they need to step in and remove Suthep immediately. he is only interested in anarchy and starting a civil war. if he is allowed to continue then i see no way for this to be decided peacefully. we are approaching sad sad times for Thai people. My wife and I are contemplating our departure from her home for our safety.

[surangw]

the longer he keeps it going, the more it feeds his ego ( face)

[Crushdepth]

INSERT RHETORIC HERE.

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[heybruce]

What a surprise. He's leading a lawless mob trying to topple and elected government, what can he negotiate?

Not taking sides here, but would I be correct in suggesting that the present government is not the elected government, since the failed elections, the present government are the caretaker government. This may be splitting hairs, but history should be held correct for future references

Ok, he succeeded in toppling the elected government, now he's trying to topple the caretaker government, which still has a better legal claim to power than him.

[CaptainPeacock]

The era of backroom deals is over. The Thai people are justifiable nauseated with everything that happens behind closed doors. What has been particularly educational during this period is that the extra intense spotlight on the Yingluck administration through the NACC, aided by their present - and perpetual - caretaker status - has been nothing less than shocking. And yet that is how Pheu Thai have governed from the beginning. And they've done it all behind closed doors.

At the end of the day, this will not be about Yingluck or Suthep. It will not be about Pheu Thai or the PDRC. It will be about three elements that have been at play long before this drama began - the constitution, the courts, and the independent agencies, and it is through all three that the path forward will be forged. The constitution is already hard at work. On March 5, Yingluck will be constitutionally required to step down in lieu of a parliamentary quorum. The present caretaker status of the Yingluck administration will be history. The constitutional provisions for what follows are also clear mapped out in the constitution - which it is to be emphasized - is the basis of all laws in the country. The courts have a myriad of impeachment cases to proceed with. None look promising for Yingluck nor many other administration officials. The independent agencies will continue under the new constitutionally sanctioned interim administration to do their work, not only in providing evidence regarding what will at that point be referred to as the former Yingluck administration - but also to the interim administration itself and all subsequent administrations that ensue from future national elections. All three elements of the rule of law - the constitution, the courts, and the independent agencies - must be protected and unimpeded.

A period of reform awaits the country, and people from all walks of life will be involved. That is the hope at the end of the tunnel. And the path forward.

Great post, lets all pray and hope that this is what unfolds...

[kkerry]

It's pretty pointless trying to talk to someone who tonight accuses Yingluck of "ordering her minions to murder children" yet I suppose there are some people here who will accept it as true.

[heybruce]

What a surprise. He's leading a lawless mob trying to topple and elected government, what can he negotiate?

HeyBruce

1) the Thai courts disagree with you and say what his is doing is not against the law

2) this is no longer an elected goverment, they are only caretakers

will this BS ever stop

There was an elected government, Yingluck stepped down into the role of caretaker government and called for elections in an attempt to prevent violence.The response was a refusal to participate in elections, illegal occupation of government buildings, illegal obstruction of candidates attempting to register for elections, and illegal obstruction of voting.

Would you identify the source that tells you all of the above isn't against the law? If not, the BS will be reduced when you stop posting BS.

[SamMunich]

SamMunich:

Folks I read here all the time the question, what Suthep wants to change?

How about using our own brain cells and figure out, what is wrong?

* Do we want corruption?

* Do we want nepotism?

* Do we want squandering of public money aka taxes?

* Do we want politicians, that are lying and cheating?

* Do we want a better education for all?

* Do we want a more even income distribution instead of the boss takes nearly all?

* Do we want all Thais having the feeling, that life in Thailand is worthwhile?

This is just a 5-seconds brainstormign result, but I'm sure there are much more things we want to change and which we can agree on.

To support a person like Taksin is certainly nothing to go for. He has already more money than he can spend in the rest of his live.

So why help him to get even more? We also know, how money can be spent...

ShannonT:

Suthep and Abhisit have been in power for almost 3 years.

What changes have they actually worked on implementing?

Suthep said he could reform the entire country in 1 1/2 years and then hold new elections.

If he can do it in 1 1/2 years, why didn't he do it in 3 years?

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SamMunich:

Unbelievable, but true: We found a point of common thinking. Actually the issue of educational and social development is overdue since a loooong time. My believe is, that this would have gone different, if there hadn't been the bloody coup in 1976. People and polticians were in a different mood or attitude before 1976. Afterwards nobody dared to mention anything like that for fear of being branded a communist. Those in power at that time enjoyed it, that there was no criticism and no social movement. And that kept going like this ever after, under Pa Prem, Chatchai, Suchinda and whoever was in charge. Sure, the dumber the people, the better they can be controlled and directed.

School only provides very little value for the pupils and then kids of poor people can't even afford to attend school.

Eventually nowadays we run into BIG problems, because the population is not educated enough to provide, what modern manufacturing needs. Starting from 2015 we will see lots of foreign workers coming into Thailand, on both ends, the cheap labour as well as the educated workforce... from abroad. What a pity!

And that is criticism ALL politicians have to share.

And without a major reduction of corruption and a new accountability for the use of taxpayers money, we will not get anywhere...! And with Taksin at the steering wheel, there is no chance of any change.

Good night!