NCPO returns chief forensic position to Khunying Porntip

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Military junta returns chief forensic position to Khunying Porntip



BANGKOK: -- The military junta has returned the position of forensic chief to Khunying Porntip Rojanasunan in order to streamline the working of the military and the Justice Ministry in resolving the southern problems.

The order by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) dated June 17 mandated the deputy permanent secretary for Justice Ministry, Charnchaovana Chaiyanukij, to reinstate Khunying Porntip back as director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, replacing Lt-Col Anek Yomchinda who will become inspector-general of the ministry.

The inspector-general position is currently held by Khunying Porntip.

The Central Institute of Forensic Science is an independent laboratory under the Ministry of Justice.

The reinstatement of Khunying Porntip to her previous position at the institute was advised to the junta head by his legal and judicial affairs advisory panel.

In the order to the Justice Ministry, the legal and judicial panel reasoned that it was to streamline the working of the NCPO and the Justice Ministry to resolve the unrest problem in the South, and also to improve the forensic science area to correspond with the junta’s policy.

Lt-Col Dr Anek was former director of the Southern Border Provinces Administration Bureau of which Pol Lt Col Thawee Sodsong was director but was sacked by the military junta after the power seizure.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/military-junta-returns-chief-forensic-position-khunying-porntip/


-- Thai PBS 2014-06-20

[Thai at Heart]

Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

[kotsak]

GT200 bomb detectors anyone?

[Stradavarius37]

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Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

Huh? Is she a relative of Prayuth? Otherwise your comment doesn't make sense.

[Piichai]

More interesting might be who removed her in the first place.

[Prbkk]

a joke.

[ginjag]

a joke.

The best of the bunch--she was stamped on many times when she could have sorted out many problems. YES Who sacked her. before. For what ???

[than]

She was a spine in Taksin clan feet, they sack her before because she always search true. It's fair from military to return her in her real job

[than]

a joke.

The joke is to let Taksin clan continue to ruin country

[PS2]

GT200 bomb detectors anyone?

Anek Yomchinda sign the deal to buy them and got rewarded by Thaksin.

[EricBerg]

Being sacked by the shinas should be excellent credentials. Can anyone confirm she was kicked out by them?

[ginjag]

She was a spine in Taksin clan feet, they sack her before because she always search true. It's fair from military to return her in her real job

If I remember most posters at the time wanted her to investigate the DOWNTOWN INN hotel deaths inquiry at Chiang Mai.

I remember it was owned by a notable Chiang Mai VIP. it was so iffy to say the least, it showed as it was a load of rubble in a short time. and prior to that it had been re named.

[ChrisY1]

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Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

Huh? Is she a relative of Prayuth? Otherwise your comment doesn't make sense.

Makes a lot of sense.

[rkidlad]

This woman is a demigod in the field of forensics. She can solve any case put in front of her; apparently.

[AyG]

This woman is a demigod in the field of forensics. She can solve any case put in front of her; apparently.

I don't know about "a demigod in ... forensics", but she's absolutely clueless when it comes to basic science.

She was a vocal, long-time (and utterly deluded) supporter of the GT200 fake bomb detectors. 'Nuff said.

Edited June 20, 2014 by AyG

[MMarlow]

Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

Where is the nepotism in her re-appointment?

[ratcatcher]

Being sacked by the shinas should be excellent credentials. Can anyone confirm she was kicked out by them?

Pornthip's four-year term as CIFS Director expired in April 2012, and her term was extended for one year until April 2013. Yingluck Shinawatra's Council of Ministers decided not to give any further extension and removed her from the office in May 2013. Pornthip was given the position of Inspector General of the Ministry of Justice instead.^{[8][9][10][11]}

The removal came immediately and without Pornthip's knowledge while she was carrying out official functions in the People's Republic of China.^[12] Pornthip herself believed that the removal was motivated by politics, saying that some politicians might have been upset with her work.^[13] A certain number of experts also remarked that the removal was politically influenced, citing Pornthip's conflicts with the Royal Thai Police which cause her and her team to be barred from working in the central region and turning to work in the southern region instead.^[13]

In the wake of the murder of Akeyuth Anchanbutr, an outspoken critic of Yingluck's government, in June 2013; Pornthip was asked by the public to examine the case but she said she has no authority to deal with cases any further. When asked about her duties as Inspector General, she answered: "only reviewing official papers".^[14]

^Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornthip_Rojanasunand

A colorful, charismatic and controversial character

Edited June 20, 2014 by ratcatcher

[Lupatria]

Whatever one may think of her, she is with no doubt the best in her profession this country has and she did not give in to VIP-cops intervening in some cases where "influential people" were involved.

I am quite impressed to see that it is possible to get things going in the right direction in a very short period of time. Compared to the number of years when progress and positive developments was only to the benefit of a few, i'd say - well done so far.

[Robby nz]

Always wondered about the bomb detector things for it wasn't just Thailand that was fooled into buying them but a fair part of the world as well.

There were Demos where police and armys in many parts of the world tested the things and found that they worked.

Could it be that the test batch did in fact work but when it came to delivery all the expensive guts had been removed and replaced with a few useless wires.

The gent who made, sold them has now been locked up for a long time after it being proved what he sold were fakes.

[Neurath]

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Whatever one may think of her, she is with no doubt the best in her profession this country has and she did not give in to VIP-cops intervening in some cases where "influential people" were involved.

I am quite impressed to see that it is possible to get things going in the right direction in a very short period of time. Compared to the number of years when progress and positive developments was only to the benefit of a few, i'd say - well done so far.

Is that an empirically supported proposition? You know, that she is the best in her profession in this country. I don't know. However, the position taken on the GT scanners - that they work if people believe in them enough - is more than enough to indicate that someone has difficulty in determining what an empirical issue is and how such issues should be decided. [Opinion here - someone who rides roughshod over empirical issues is not well suited to forensic work, not well suited at all.]

[Bangmod]

Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

Why, i think it's a smart move to reinstall her in that position

[Bangmod]

a joke.

Have you looked in the mirror 2day????

[smutcakes]

Always wondered about the bomb detector things for it wasn't just Thailand that was fooled into buying them but a fair part of the world as well.

There were Demos where police and armys in many parts of the world tested the things and found that they worked.

Could it be that the test batch did in fact work but when it came to delivery all the expensive guts had been removed and replaced with a few useless wires.

The gent who made, sold them has now been locked up for a long time after it being proved what he sold were fakes.

Yes this is extremely likely..... I am sure if he really had made ground breaking breakthrough he would of risked it all, by removing the 'expensive guts'!

The worst things is that this lady seemed to suggest that you could insert dead body 'sensor cards'! and despite when all the world realized they had been duped Khunying Porntip still thinks they work.

No wonder the army want her back! perhaps they are going to buy the remaining stock from the rest of the world.

For someone who seemingly has had a very distinguished career, it is a fairly odd blot on her resume why she has continued to stand by these sensors.

[bkkstooge]

I remember her getting an awfully rotten time from Thaksin when she investigated the deaths of suspected drug dealers one of whom was a child back in 2001 or 2002.

[Thai at Heart]

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Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

Huh? Is she a relative of Prayuth? Otherwise your comment doesn't make sense.

She is absolutely the Army's stooge. She stood front and square with them claiming that she had used the GT 2000 and that in her opinion they worked. She was responsible for creating reports using the GT 2000 that convicted various people of offences during the police crack down on the PAD. She is a sham.

Reinstating her has absolutely NOTHING to do with putting the proper person in position but is absolutely to do with repaying favours given.,

[Thai at Heart]

Oh ok. So the nepotism is starting.

Why, i think it's a smart move to reinstall her in that position

Well, you'd better hope you never end up dead and her trying to investigate who killed you. She is a TV star first and a forensic scientist second.

[Lupatria]

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Whatever one may think of her, she is with no doubt the best in her profession this country has and she did not give in to VIP-cops intervening in some cases where "influential people" were involved.

I am quite impressed to see that it is possible to get things going in the right direction in a very short period of time. Compared to the number of years when progress and positive developments was only to the benefit of a few, i'd say - well done so far.

Is that an empirically supported proposition? You know, that she is the best in her profession in this country. I don't know. However, the position taken on the GT scanners - that they work if people believe in them enough - is more than enough to indicate that someone has difficulty in determining what an empirical issue is and how such issues should be decided. [Opinion here - someone who rides roughshod over empirical issues is not well suited to forensic work, not well suited at all.]

I agree with you regarding the GT scanners. However, she did a good job in investigations of fishy murder cases, even against police opinions and she did an outstanding job after the tsunami when she trained a team in a very short time helping to identify uncounted victims...

[Thai at Heart]

Whatever one may think of her, she is with no doubt the best in her profession this country has and she did not give in to VIP-cops intervening in some cases where "influential people" were involved.

I am quite impressed to see that it is possible to get things going in the right direction in a very short period of time. Compared to the number of years when progress and positive developments was only to the benefit of a few, i'd say - well done so far.

Have you read of the utter mess she created during the tsunami? the controversy she caused sticking her nose into those cases in Malaysia? And then of course the GT 2000.

I would prefer my forensics people very quiet and discrete.

[AyG]

Could it be that the test batch did in fact work but when it came to delivery all the expensive guts had been removed and replaced with a few useless wires.

์No, it couldn't. The devices were based upon novelty golf ball detectors. (They didn't detect golf balls, either.)

People generally have a hopeless grasp of statistics. If the devices work 50% of the time (i.e. completely by chance), people will remember the 50% success and discount the 50% failure and so delude themselves that the devices work, albeit not all of the time, whilst the reality is they don't work at all.

And as far as critical reasoning and questioning authority is concerned, it's not something that Thais in general excel at. Hence the wasted money and dead soldier bodies.

[outsider]

Yay. That's good news. She's good.