Should Gerrard retire as England captain, yes or no?

[rijit]

no debate needed just a simple yes or no just to get a feel on opinion. yes 4 me.

[Travel2003]

Give him the caps he need, then a well done to him for good service.

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Yes.

He had a retched end to the season for Liverpool with his back pass all but ending Liverpool's title hopes and then his assist for Suarez that knocked England out of the World Cup.

OK, England's woes aren't solely down to Stevie G but maybe it is now time he moved on.

Hodgson looks eager to give youth a chance, which is a positive step in my opinion. Why not give it to one of the younger players, or at least to someone who will be in the starting line up for the next 5 or 6 years.

But come to think of it, who would you replace Gerrard with as captain?

Lampard is about to retire.

Pretty much only leaves Rooney

Just shows you how thin the England squad is.

Other than Gerrard and Rooney, I don't think any of the other players are captains for their club side, or have I missed someone?

[BangrakBob]

I don't know why he bothers playing for England anyway, so yes

Edited June 24, 2014 by BangrakBob

[mrbojangles]

Yep.

We will hopefully see tonight how far off the pace the new guard are. Here's hoping for a new and better era. There are several in this current England team who should either hang up their England caps or fall on the sword.

[redrus]

For the future, No.

And, I'll P you all off by saying give the armband to Rooney.

But wait, hear me out...................

At least for the foreseeable future, let all the young guns in and build the team around him and, where HE plays.

Give it a year or so, if it doesn't work, drop him too and let a young un take his place as well, That way, the young ones have had time to gel and, we're only replacing 1 man in 1 position.

redrus

[rajyindee]

Other than Gerrard and Rooney, I don't think any of the other players are captains for their club side, or have I missed someone?

Phil Jagielka and Adam Lallana … are two that immediately spring to mind.

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Other than Gerrard and Rooney, I don't think any of the other players are captains for their club side, or have I missed someone?

Phil Jagielka and Adam Lallana … are two that immediately spring to mind.

Lallana sure but he's still unproven at international level so far, that's not to say he won't make a good England captain in the future.

As for Jagielka, I'm not sure he's good enough to play for England, let alone be captain. He's been absolutely dreadful this tournament

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[Jonathan Fairfield]

For the future, No.

And, I'll P you all off by saying give the armband to Rooney.

But wait, hear me out...................

At least for the foreseeable future, let all the young guns in and build the team around him and, where HE plays.

Give it a year or so, if it doesn't work, drop him too and let a young un take his place as well, That way, the young ones have had time to gel and, we're only replacing 1 man in 1 position.

redrus

Good point this is. There is also a fairly good chance Rooney will be Utd captain next season too

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[StevieH]

For the future, No.

And, I'll P you all off by saying give the armband to Rooney.

But wait, hear me out...................

At least for the foreseeable future, let all the young guns in and build the team around him and, where HE plays.

Give it a year or so, if it doesn't work, drop him too and let a young un take his place as well, That way, the young ones have had time to gel and, we're only replacing 1 man in 1 position.

redrus

Good point this is. There is also a fairly good chance Rooney will be Utd captain next season too

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is there? under van gaal? i'd think he might be lucky to be in united's starting XI next season to be honest.

and gerrard shouldn't just retire as england captain as the thread says, he should retire from international football please. that way liverpool might get another 12 or 24 months out of him.

[rajyindee]

Lallana sure but he's still unproven at international level so far, that's not to say he won't make a good England captain in the future.

As for Jagielka, I'm not sure he's good enough to play for England, let alone be captain. He's been absolutely dreadful this tournament

I wasn't commenting on their suitability as England team captains - only that they are current club captains.

[StevieH]

Other than Gerrard and Rooney, I don't think any of the other players are captains for their club side, or have I missed someone?

rooney's only occasional captain at united isn't he? in an emergency?

lallana is southampton captain and henderson was england u-21 captain. that's about your lot from the current squad. can't see likes of wilshere or baines as leaders really.

[SantiSuk]

Choice of captain should always be influenced at least by what the players think (particularly the core good ones). If they want him to continue then yes (was tempted to add "for me" .... aagh, have been watching too many TV broadcasts

[rijit]

For the future, No.

And, I'll P you all off by saying give the armband to Rooney.

But wait, hear me out...................

At least for the foreseeable future, let all the young guns in and build the team around him and, where HE plays.

Give it a year or so, if it doesn't work, drop him too and let a young un take his place as well, That way, the young ones have had time to gel and, we're only replacing 1 man in 1 position.

redrus

Good point this is. There is also a fairly good chance Rooney will be Utd captain next season too

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is there? under van gaal? i'd think he might be lucky to be in united's starting XI next season to be honest.

and gerrard shouldn't just retire as england captain as the thread says, he should retire from international football please. that way liverpool might get another 12 or 24 months out of him.

yep should retire totally , comes to something when an opposing international manager targets your national captain as a weakness!!. Funny I recall someone else saying that pre tournament!!!!! but going by Gerrard's last couple of performances , imo he aint worth a place in the squad let alone captain.

[StevieH]

For the future, No.

And, I'll P you all off by saying give the armband to Rooney.

But wait, hear me out...................

At least for the foreseeable future, let all the young guns in and build the team around him and, where HE plays.

Give it a year or so, if it doesn't work, drop him too and let a young un take his place as well, That way, the young ones have had time to gel and, we're only replacing 1 man in 1 position.

redrus

Good point this is. There is also a fairly good chance Rooney will be Utd captain next season too

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is there? under van gaal? i'd think he might be lucky to be in united's starting XI next season to be honest.

and gerrard shouldn't just retire as england captain as the thread says, he should retire from international football please. that way liverpool might get another 12 or 24 months out of him.

yep should retire totally , comes to something when an opposing international manager targets your national captain as a weakness!!. Funny I recall someone else saying that pre tournament!!!!! but going by Gerrard's last couple of performances , imo he aint worth a place in the squad let alone captain.

he didn't target gerrard as a weakness. he targeted england's two in midfield as a weakness. which against any team playing three in midfield, it is.

short memories a lot of england fans. gerrard was third best player in the premier league last term and had a magnificent season.

[rijit]

is there? under van gaal? i'd think he might be lucky to be in united's starting XI next season to be honest.

and gerrard shouldn't just retire as england captain as the thread says, he should retire from international football please. that way liverpool might get another 12 or 24 months out of him.

yep should retire totally , comes to something when an opposing international manager targets your national captain as a weakness!!. Funny I recall someone else saying that pre tournament!!!!! but going by Gerrard's last couple of performances , imo he aint worth a place in the squad let alone captain.

he didn't target gerrard as a weakness. he targeted england's two in midfield as a weakness. which against any team playing three in midfield, it is.

short memories a lot of england fans. gerrard was third best player in the premier league last term and had a magnificent season.

topped by 2 of the worst performances I reckon ive ever seen by an established England player let alone captain. and yes Tavares targeted Gerrard.

[MAJIC]

I would say NO, but he is not far off retirement,has been a great player,a gentleman and an asset to Football! I can only hope age will not come into any management decision concerning his future? and in my opinion he is still good for a few more games yet.

Edited June 24, 2014 by MAJIC

[rijit]

The Independent columnist Rafael Benitez wrote yesterday that when England were in possession “Gerrard will drop off a little bit and try to play and create.” He wrote that the uncertainty was whether one of Tabarez’s strikers might try to press him, or possibly a midfielder, creating extra space for England in the midfield. In the event, Uruguay went for the first. And arguably won the game because of it, gerrard just didnt have a clue how to deal with it.

Edited June 24, 2014 by rijit

[StevieH]

topped by 2 of the worst performances I reckon ive ever seen by an established England player let alone captain. and yes Tavares targeted Gerrard.

largely because he was outnumbered right? did you watch liverpool play last season? hodgson did. and still played gerrard in a midfield two.

[rijit]

no largely cos his primary instinct is to attack, once u stop that and push him bac his game done, gone. not cos he was outnumbered. he's played his football in the opponants half attacking, running at defenses for ??? 15 years with power pace and aggression . to suddenly think he can totally change his game totally renovate his technique and sit in front of a defence and control a game at the VERY TOP LEVEL against the top coach's, DREAM ON i could be nasty bout his close control, which was what initially got me looking/watching his game, which i noticed way b4 the chelsea incident but i wont. I''de say he'll do job for liverpool but saying that your average prem manager up to pre the world cup hadnt sussed him out , slow they may be but totally stupid they aint, so we'll see.

Edited June 25, 2014 by rijit

[carmine]

no largely cos his primary instinct is to attack, once u stop that and push him bac his game done, gone. not cos he was outnumbered. he's played his football in the opponants half attacking, running at defenses for ??? 15 years with power pace and aggression . to suddenly think he can totally change his game totally renovate his technique and sit in front of a defence and control a game at the VERY TOP LEVEL against the top coach's, DREAM ON i could be nasty bout his close control, which was what initially got me looking/watching his game, which i noticed way b4 the chelsea incident but i wont. I''de say he'll do job for liverpool but saying that your average prem manager up to pre the world cup hadnt sussed him out , slow they may be but totally stupid they aint, so we'll see.

This isn't the very top level though rim, thats the champions league, but more importantly he has been playing this role most of last season and has proven he can adjust to it. The problem lies in him not being given the protection that the Liverpool set up offered and frankly if Roy wasn't going to continue with that successful set up he shouldn't have played him at all.

Problem lies directly with the coaches tactics here. Very plain and simple this is and it was patently obvious from the Italien opener, despite the fact we had a very good first half, certain adjustments needed to be made and were not.

When a striker is being left isolated, or when an outnumbered midfield is being out muscled its down to one man to made the changes. The coach. He didn't. I would also highlight the inclusion of Rooney as an unacceptable compromise that helped create the weakened midfield. Guess who. Roy again not showing the balls to leave him out for the good of the team.

[rijit]

slight contradiction there carms one moment your saying hes playing the same role succesfully for liverpool then next your blaming roy for unsucceafully playing him in the same role !!! nah, the coach is always an easy blame but yeah he should have spotted the weakness , but.he.wernt alone.in that and nope he aint the brightest/quickest. But bottomline the game s wernt lost when we were out numbered or outmuscled they were both lost, barring gerrards f up, in straight forward stuations where a defensive minded midfeilder or leader would/ should have had sorted, and unfortunatly Gerrard just aint that.

anyway we stray, gerrard as capt ? you in or should he go?

[StevieH]

slight contradiction there carms one moment your saying hes playing the same role succesfully for liverpool then next your blaming roy for unsucceafully playing him in the same role !!! nah, the coach is always an easy blame but yeah he should have spotted the weakness , but.he.wernt alone.in that and nope he aint the brightest/quickest. But bottomline the game s wernt lost when we were out numbered or outmuscled they were both lost, barring gerrards f up, in straight forward stuations where a defensive minded midfeilder or leader would/ should have had sorted, and unfortunatly Gerrard just aint that.

anyway we stray, gerrard as capt ? you in or should he go?

again, did you watch liverpool last season?

[rijit]

he's aleader on the break and around the opponants box and deserves his acolades but around his own box and defensively he's a lightweight and when the screws are down sorts jack shit. But quite frankly stevie I dont give a flying f--- c what he played for liverpool, he was given a job 2 do 4 england and he wasnt up to it. He can toddle of to liverpool and rodgers can ' accomodate' him or what ever all he likes and your freescoring team can give us all plenty of entertainment. But this question is an ENGLAND issue as the post says simple.,,stay or go as i said b4 imo.we.cant have an england capt found so.blatently wanting.so,,,.go.

[IsaacHunt]

no largely cos his primary instinct is to attack, once u stop that and push him bac his game done, gone. not cos he was outnumbered. he's played his football in the opponants half attacking, running at defenses for ??? 15 years with power pace and aggression . to suddenly think he can totally change his game totally renovate his technique and sit in front of a defence and control a game at the VERY TOP LEVEL against the top coach's, DREAM ON i could be nasty bout his close control, which was what initially got me looking/watching his game, which i noticed way b4 the chelsea incident but i wont. I''de say he'll do job for liverpool but saying that your average prem manager up to pre the world cup hadnt sussed him out , slow they may be but totally stupid they aint, so we'll see.

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Posted Yesterday, 10:08

no debate needed just a simple yes or no just to get a feel on opinion. yes 4 me.

No debate needed! yet you go off on one slagging the man off at least 6 times in this thread alone.Spurs fan I see ,says it all really.

i'd like Gerrard to quit International football too ,not that he's not good enough ,but only in a selfish way to prolong his career at Liverpool.

N.B

Brendans & Roy's set up to get the best out of gerrard is miles apart.

[StevieH]

he's aleader on the break and around the opponants box and deserves his acolades but around his own box and defensively he's a lightweight and when the screws are down sorts jack shit. But quite frankly stevie I dont give a flying f--- c what he played for liverpool, he was given a job 2 do 4 england and he wasnt up to it. He can toddle of to liverpool and rodgers can ' accomodate' him or what ever all he likes and your freescoring team can give us all plenty of entertainment. But this question is an ENGLAND issue as the post says simple.,,stay or go as i said b4 imo.we.cant have an england capt found so.blatently wanting.so,,,.go.

you're missing the point spectacularly lad. "he was given a job 2 do 4 england" - might as well have played joe hart there. the manager's tactics were ludicrously inept and england got what they deserved.

in a midfield three last season for liverpool gerrard was outstanding. so the clown hodgson played him in a two. but you just go on ignoring that if you want.

[kevozman1]

Most overrated player in an England shirt since Beckham. Got to love the way commentators scream "GEERRRAARRDD" for a 5 yard pass across the half way line.

Edited June 25, 2014 by kevozman1

[rijit]

he's aleader on the break and around the opponants box and deserves his acolades but around his own box and defensively he's a lightweight and when the screws are down sorts jack shit. But quite frankly stevie I dont give a flying f--- c what he played for liverpool, he was given a job 2 do 4 england and he wasnt up to it. He can toddle of to liverpool and rodgers can ' accomodate' him or what ever all he likes and your freescoring team can give us all plenty of entertainment. But this question is an ENGLAND issue as the post says simple.,,stay or go as i said b4 imo.we.cant have an england capt found so.blatently wanting.so,,,.go.

you're missing the point spectacularly lad. "he was given a job 2 do 4 england" - might as well have played joe hart there. the manager's tactics were ludicrously inept and england got what they deserved.

in a midfield three last season for liverpool gerrard was outstanding. so the clown hodgson played him in a two. but you just go on ignoring that if you want.

Going forward he was outstanding, defensively 4 me he was lacking, so I could say your missing the point as well, that he was given a defensive controlling job to do for England and he was just awful at it. you blame hodgson ,Me, I just don't reckon Gerrard's skill sets were up to it. But seems we'll just have to agree to disagree and move on.

[carmine]

Most overrated player in an England shirt since Beckham. Got to love the way commentators scream "GEERRRAARRDD" for a 5 yard pass across the half way line.

Why post such utter nonsense?

[wilai]

^ Think he's lost Carms.......should be in the World Cup forum with the rest of his buddies