MH17: Malaysia Airlines Plane Shot Down Near Ukraine Border

[DandDtalkSEA]

Holland sets the standard on how to respect their victims of big tragedies.

In Thailand this kind of privileged is only given to a very selected few.

[GentlemanJim]

^^^ @ Chicog...

Mainstream media...I was, at one time employed by the mainstream media.

However, this was before social media came along. Today the mainstream

media uses social media for quick access to worldwide stories. And sometimes,

actually many times, it backfires in their faces.

Here is a fresh example....The photo you see below has been depicted on both

the mainstream media and social media as horiffic, tasteless, barbaric etc...etc

...etc; even worse than the Sky News correspondent digging through luggage

of a deceased MH17 passenger which was broadcast live to the world....here's

that photo....

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Yes the man above looks like a typical pro Russian rebel seperatist doesn't he?

So...mainstream media gets ahold of this pic and then adds their words degrading

not only the man but the entire tragedy. Sensationalism? Perhaps yes, perhaps no.

Regardless what mainstream media used for by lines & captions it left little to many

readers & viewers imagination. In other words...mainstream media ruined this guy

and made all the pro Russian rebels bad guys. Why? Because that's exactly what

Big Government led by Big Coropration wants YOU to believe.

It is often said a picture is worth a thousand words...in this case those thousand

words are all lies.

When in actuality...he is a good guy who displays a true feeling of sorrow for

this horiffic event....You will see him clearly at about 59 seconds into the video

below....

In other MH17 tragedy news...The Malaysian FR recovery team have handed

over the data recorders to the Dutch who, in turn have or are in the process

of handing the FDR's over to the UK's AAIB for analysis.

NB...edit a minute ago to change " to ? and add a capital B.

Sorry, but that's a shot of a guy who thinks he's religious trying to show some respect for the dead his rebel group just caused. He's carrying an automatic rifle and is killing people for a living. So yes, this picture is worth a thousand words. To show the hypocrisy or to show he feels bad for the destruction he's caused.

I guess it all depends on how you want to look at things. Which is a whole different topic.

The entire video is shot with the participation an organised visit of the observation team. The Rebel soldier in question is armed of course, if we sent a security cordon in from any UN country they would be armed. The man holds up the child's toy and says "we want to get the bastards who shot these people down - see what they have done", he then puts the toy back down and takes his cap off and makes the sign of an orthodox christian. How can you say he caused the destruction?

You say 'he's the kind of guy who thinks he's religious, but he is carrying weapons and kills people for a living! A huge number of US military are committed sometimes evangelical Christians?? They also carry guns and kill people for a living. They, just like even atheist soldiers are able to display compassion when required.

He is asked a number of questions by reporters. He states that people started bringing all belongings to one central point because the crash site covers such a huge distance and that if things were just left in the fields they felt that they would be lost never to be found again. He is then asked about the bodies. No bodies had been removed. A day later when they had had continuous temperatures above 30 deg C, they had waited expecting a team from Kiev including investigators to arrive. Nobody came, so they made the decision to load bodies into a refirgerated train wagon.

The media are liars. Governments are Liars, and some people are displaying venom and hatred without having the capacity or moral obligation to check what 'facts' we are being fed. I would believe that Rebel Soldier with his gun before I would believe anything said by Obama, Cameron, 99% of politicians and any state sponsored media and those media operations that are owned by the Corporateocracy that is the true heart of American and (slowly) British politics.

Maybe the rebels do have some Buks, but the Ukranian's also have a huge inventory of the same air defence system.

To quote the X-Files - "The truth is out there somewhere Scully", and it isn't anywhere near what most appear to think and if at all possible it is even more unpleasant than we are currently are led to believe.

I recommend everyone to watch the 8 mins of video and the point under discussion is over by 1min 20 secs if you are short of time.

Seeing this I am literally horrified by the conduct of the media and the statements made by various Governments. The use of the image for its intended purpose when the guy holds up the toy is scandalous.

The way we look at things in this incident is entirely on topic, because it is based on those different perceptions that certain Governments are considering certain actions over this incident. If we are not presented with the truth and the facts nobody will be able to make a quality decision. Here is a classic example of whether by intent to deceive or a culpably negligent approach to checking and verifying information a perception has arisen about the actions of the soldier in the video that inflames people to scream for war, when in fact the man was paying respects. What a dangerous game our Governments and media play with us !

[doctorproc156]

Perhaps the only real upside to this horrible disaster is the fact that a lot of naive people are just now starting to realize who and what Putin is. Many were deceived into thinking he was a civilized and respectable leader. In reality, he is a thug, with a murderous background. Any man of honor would take responsibility. All he knows how to do is play the blame game. His whole career was about pinning it on others. He continues this charade. But, this time he is busted, on a world stage. The whole world knows who is culpable in this heinous incident. He supplied these fools, trained them, and he must assume responsibility. I bet he is not man enough to do so, more than likely.

Spidermike007

How ironic.

[StasD]

there is still no any news about info from black boxes. english authority promised to publish it in 2 days but now a week almost passed and..... i suspect the info is not good for usa and ukaraine that is why it is delayed.

[Jingthing]

there is still no any news about info from black boxes. english authority promised to publish it in 2 days but now a week almost passed and..... i suspect the info is not good for usa and ukaraine that is why it is delayed.

Is that what the Putin press is saying these days?

[Chicog]

there is still no any news about info from black boxes. english authority promised to publish it in 2 days but now a week almost passed and..... i suspect the info is not good for usa and ukaraine that is why it is delayed.

Is that what the Putin press is saying these days?

RT is to Russia what CNN is to the US. Except RT has less natural born nationalists on it.

No. RT is to Russia what VOA is to the US: Pure propaganda.

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[craigt3365]

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[neverdie]

The Australian police are still locating body parts, using their dogs. Plenty of bodies still missing.

Terrible stuff.

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[Harsh Jones]

there is still no any news about info from black boxes. english authority promised to publish it in 2 days but now a week almost passed and..... i suspect the info is not good for usa and ukaraine that is why it is delayed.

Why the boxes were given to the British we will never know. Normally it takes less then 2 weeks to get the recordings out

[laolover88]

Have said elsewhere. Air Algerie crash black boxes were 'deciphered' in 48 hours.

Beggars belief MH17 ones have not been made available...One can only conclude obfuscation. Anyway there is plenty of quality information and analysis provided by pilots and ballistic experts elsewhere on the web demonstrating quite clearly that MH17 was downed by an aircraft. If the UK is colluding with the US and the Ukrainians over this I am ashamed to be a Brit

[lovetotravel]

Have said elsewhere. Air Algerie crash black boxes were 'deciphered' in 48 hours.

Beggars belief MH17 ones have not been made available...One can only conclude obfuscation. Anyway there is plenty of quality information and analysis provided by pilots and ballistic experts elsewhere on the web demonstrating quite clearly that MH17 was downed by an aircraft. If the UK is colluding with the US and the Ukrainians over this I am ashamed to be a Brit

The Air Algerie black boxes were not "deciphered" in 48 hours.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/conversations-from-crashed-air-algerie-jet-black-box-unintelligible-1407418497

Aug. 7, 2014 9:34 a.m. ET

PARIS—French investigators haven't been able to analyze cockpit conversations from the black boxes recovered from the Air Algérie jetliner that crashed in Mali last month, frustrating efforts to establish the cause of the accident.

Investigators have recovered the plane's two black boxes and managed to extract a recording of the conversations in the cockpit, but the sounds are "unintelligible," said Rémi Jouty, director of the French agency that investigates airplane crashes. Mr. Jouty said the reason was probably a malfunction of the recorder.

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The investigators will release a preliminary report in mid-September on the disaster, which cost the lives of 118 passengers.

[hard124get]

"Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium are conspiring to keep all information regarding the MH17 investigation classified, a leaked document reveals." http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/564116/20140827/mh17-investigation-update-conspiracy.htm#.VAWCRfmSxqU

[lovetotravel]

"Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium are conspiring to keep all information regarding the MH17 investigation classified, a leaked document reveals." http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/564116/20140827/mh17-investigation-update-conspiracy.htm#.VAWCRfmSxqU

Please report more of that article. Nothing wrong with the agreement they've put in place. This is an extremely delicate situation. They don't want any one partner leaking information until it's rock solid. Makes perfect sense.

The document is a non-disclosure agreement signed by the four nations involved in the investigation. It says that the results and data obtained will only be published once all enquiries are completed. The agreement seemed standard if not for a stipulation that states publication of the results would only be done if Ukraine, the Netherlands,Australia and Belgium arrived at a consensus.

"Any one of the signatories has the right to veto the publication of the results of the investigation without explanation," as quoted saying by prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko during a briefing in Kiev.

As usual, only the Russians are complaining:

Curiously, on Tuesday, Russia accused the nations conducting the investigations of lack of transparency.

Speaking through a televised briefing in Moscow, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov asked why recording from MH17's black boxes were not yet publicized when the black boxes have already been shipped to Farnborough in Britain.

[SeaVisionBurma]

"Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium are conspiring to keep all information regarding the MH17 investigation classified, a leaked document reveals." http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/564116/20140827/mh17-investigation-update-conspiracy.htm#.VAWCRfmSxqU

^ The way that article is written completely destroys its credibility IMO "conspiring" "leaked document" "Keep all information hidden"

What twaddle

[BATHIK]

It's old news, first leaked maybe two weeks ago, and the title sounds worse than the actual story is, but Ukraine, who could turn out to be the guilty party, having a veto power over a report that has been delayed again and again is definitely fishy.

[lovetotravel]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29109398

MH17 disaster: Russians 'controlled BUK missile system'

Russians were operating a BUK missile launcher seen in the area where the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet MH17 was shot down, eyewitnesses have told Panorama.

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Three eyewitnesses, all civilians, separately told Panorama that they saw a missile-launcher in rebel-held territory a few hours before the Boeing jet was hit.

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The eyewitness told the BBC that the crew struck him as Russian soldiers: "Well-disciplined, unlike the rebels, and not wearing the standard Ukrainian camouflage uniform sported by government and rebel troops alike."

"They had pure Russian accents. They say the letter 'g' differently to us," he said.

[White Christmas13]

The Russians got it all worked out Putin says

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-media-releases-satellite-image-claiming-to-show-mh17-shot-down-by-ukrainian-fighter-jet/story-fnizu68q-1227123846130

[craigt3365]

The Russians got it all worked out Putin says

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-media-releases-satellite-image-claiming-to-show-mh17-shot-down-by-ukrainian-fighter-jet/story-fnizu68q-1227123846130

Gotta love this part:

Russia’s state broadcaster aired the images supplied by unnamed sources.

[Jdiddy]

The Russians got it all worked out Putin says

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-media-releases-satellite-image-claiming-to-show-mh17-shot-down-by-ukrainian-fighter-jet/story-fnizu68q-1227123846130

Where does Putin say anything about this and why would he embarrass himself on such an obvious hoax

Satellite imagery is all wrong, wrong location, wrong angle and range for a missile attack, wrong angle for guns, fighter is a mig29 or su27 not a su25, writing on the airliner's fuselage is in the wrong place and not long enough

It looks like something out of Lock On

Russian ch1 has egg on their face

Edited November 15, 2014 by Jdiddy

[dabhand]

The Russians got it all worked out Putin says

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-media-releases-satellite-image-claiming-to-show-mh17-shot-down-by-ukrainian-fighter-jet/story-fnizu68q-1227123846130

Where does Putin say anything about this and why would he embarrass himself on such an obvious hoax

Satellite imagery is all wrong, wrong location, wrong angle and range for a missile attack, wrong angle for guns, fighter is a mig29 or su27 not a su25, writing on the airliner's fuselage is in the wrong place and not long enough

It looks like something out of Lock On

Russian ch1 has egg on their face

The BBC update on this story has the same detail.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30064374

Yet, on other news websites there are countless responses from Russian 'supporters' claiming this is absolute proof that their guys are the picture of innocence on this disgraceful incident.