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My wife just called the boss at immigration Mukdaharn. He said the law is not to be enforced until the end of September. Which goes in hand with the 60 day period someone mentioned earlier.

 

If that is the case, tell him to get on a bus now, sort the fine out and try to get the one year multi O based on his Thai wife.

 

If he does not have the money to fly out, this seems to be his best option for long stay in Thailand anyway to get himself sorted out with work

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The problems arose when his first child was born 3 years ago. He was away in Laos (getting a visa!) and the baby came 6 weeks early. There were many complications and mother and son were touch and go for a while. Because it was an emergency (they broke down her apartment door) she was rushed to the nearest hospital, a private one. 10 days and no sleep later mother and son were doing fine but now he was faced with a 150,000 baht bill. This had to be paid quickly so he borrowed the money. No family or friends to help he eventually managed to pay it all back. He was working in a government school at the time and they suddenly decided to get rid of him and hire an African so he was left without a job in December 2011, his son just 9 months old. He was unable to secure a new job so late in the school year so subsequently his visa ran out. It was hard enough to pay the rent and feed his family (the mother had no breast milk so he had to buy formula) so of course after a couple of months the 20,000 needed (+10,000) to go was well out of reach. He managed to find work with a don't care agency in May, but with rent, debts and food to provide the 30,000 was still out of reach.  

It's easy to pick fault especially when you've got a nice fat pension every month, but this guy has nothing, no family or anything. His mrs is not from a bar and he's been here 12 years always working until this visa hassle.

Now his plan is to go to Mukdaharn with the wife and kids with this months salary and hope they let him back in. If they dont then he's stuck there with 10,000 baht and his family in Thailand with no income.

 

Wow sad situation. But this is the first time I've heard of a westerner being replaced by an African in Thailand, LOL. I know that they don't need to get paid as much but I thought most Thai employers (schools) would only hire Africans as a last resort?
 

 

The problems arose when his first child was born 3 years ago. He was away in Laos (getting a visa!) and the baby came 6 weeks early. There were many complications and mother and son were touch and go for a while. Because it was an emergency (they broke down her apartment door) she was rushed to the nearest hospital, a private one. 10 days and no sleep later mother and son were doing fine but now he was faced with a 150,000 baht bill. This had to be paid quickly so he borrowed the money. No family or friends to help he eventually managed to pay it all back. He was working in a government school at the time and they suddenly decided to get rid of him and hire an African so he was left without a job in December 2011, his son just 9 months old. He was unable to secure a new job so late in the school year so subsequently his visa ran out. It was hard enough to pay the rent and feed his family (the mother had no breast milk so he had to buy formula) so of course after a couple of months the 20,000 needed (+10,000) to go was well out of reach. He managed to find work with a don't care agency in May, but with rent, debts and food to provide the 30,000 was still out of reach.  

It's easy to pick fault especially when you've got a nice fat pension every month, but this guy has nothing, no family or anything. His mrs is not from a bar and he's been here 12 years always working until this visa hassle.

Now his plan is to go to Mukdaharn with the wife and kids with this months salary and hope they let him back in. If they dont then he's stuck there with 10,000 baht and his family in Thailand with no income.

 

Wow sad situation. But this is the first time I've heard of a westerner being replaced by an African in Thailand, LOL. I know that they don't need to get paid as much but I thought most Thai employers (schools) would only hire Africans as a last resort?
 

 

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The problems arose when his first child was born 3 years ago. He was away in Laos (getting a visa!) and the baby came 6 weeks early. There were many complications and mother and son were touch and go for a while. Because it was an emergency (they broke down her apartment door) she was rushed to the nearest hospital, a private one. 10 days and no sleep later mother and son were doing fine but now he was faced with a 150,000 baht bill. This had to be paid quickly so he borrowed the money. No family or friends to help he eventually managed to pay it all back. He was working in a government school at the time and they suddenly decided to get rid of him and hire an African so he was left without a job in December 2011, his son just 9 months old. He was unable to secure a new job so late in the school year so subsequently his visa ran out. It was hard enough to pay the rent and feed his family (the mother had no breast milk so he had to buy formula) so of course after a couple of months the 20,000 needed (+10,000) to go was well out of reach. He managed to find work with a don't care agency in May, but with rent, debts and food to provide the 30,000 was still out of reach.  

It's easy to pick fault especially when you've got a nice fat pension every month, but this guy has nothing, no family or anything. His mrs is not from a bar and he's been here 12 years always working until this visa hassle.

Now his plan is to go to Mukdaharn with the wife and kids with this months salary and hope they let him back in. If they dont then he's stuck there with 10,000 baht and his family in Thailand with no income.

 

I hope things work out for your friend and his family.  I have thought about these types of  'worst case' scenarios quite often in the past and don't know what I would do if I started a family here.  As a single guy, I enjoy the laissez-faire lifestyle in Thailand. That said it's an unappealing place for most foreigners to establish a career or raise a family.  Even the best intentioned have no clear path to permanent residency or the even more elusive citizenship.

This is an awful case.

 

Even if the guy is fortunate enough to avoid blacklisting, he STILL has to return to a 35K a month salary that clearly doesn't provide enough for him to save a few baht to fly out in an emergency.

 

Not to mention, of course, the fact that he's working illegally and, unlike his online counterparts, he's actually going to a place of work every day.

 

Pointless asking where his head was at all along but he's painted himself into a very tight corner in which he's going to have to keep looking over his shoulder for as long as he wants to stay with his wife and child in this country.

 

Don't envy him one bit

 

Thais need a passport now

Who said that. It is not true for the Lao border.

 

 

I was at Mukdahan border one week ago. There was notice on window that everybody needs passport now.

 

 

Thais need a passport now

Who said that. It is not true for the Lao border.

 

 

I was at Mukdahan border one week ago. There was notice on window that everybody needs passport now.

 

I don't know what the sign was in reference to.

But I can' find nothing that says border passes cannot be used now. Only info about borders passes.

Using Google translate a link on Mukdahan immigration's website led me to this page on the provincial website that has info on getting a border pass (inThai).. http://www.mukdahan.go.th/borderpass.php

 

It was A4 paper and it said under current situation in Thailand, every thai needs now passport to go Laos. Border passes not accepted. Don't shoot the messenger, I just tell what I saw.

It was A4 paper and it said under current situation in Thailand, every thai needs now passport to go Laos. Border passes not accepted. Don't shoot the messenger, I just tell what I saw.

Not shooting the messenger just trying get more info.

So it is because of the coup and martial law that explains things a bit. They have not done away with them just for the time being.

Just cleared a very long overstay under similar circumstances today. Returning next month with a proper visa. Good luck to all good-guy overstayers! Get it taken care of within the next week or live in regret

there will never be any fear of blacklisting for those who know what to do or have enough money. First of all if your from UK you can change your name by deed poll.I know someone who has down this 18 times.

The British are NOT allowed to inforrn any government that you have done this.So you become a completely different person.

As for facial recognition and fingerprint  machines- they are both so easy to fool.

In Tokyo when they installed a documentrty proved how easy they are to bypass.

Fear not.The only fear is fear itself- all that technology is almost but useless when one knows what they are doing.

there will never be any fear of blacklisting for those who know what to do or have enough money. First of all if your from UK you can change your name by deed poll.I know someone who has down this 18 times.
The British are NOT allowed to inforrn any government that you have done this.So you become a completely different person.
As for facial recognition and fingerprint  machines- they are both so easy to fool.
In Tokyo when they installed a documentrty proved how easy they are to bypass.
Fear not.The only fear is fear itself- all that technology is almost but useless when one knows what they are doing.

But is it so important to be able to overstay? So you like to change your name , ID and everything else.
It must be a lot more easy and also cheaper to get a visa and stay legal

 

 

Now his plan is to go to Mukdaharn with the wife and kids with this months salary and hope they let him back in. If they dont then he's stuck there with 10,000 baht and his family in Thailand with no income.

 

Wrong Plan!!! In my opinion, he should buy a one-way ticket to his home country, go to the airport as fast as possible, pay the overstay fine and see what they will stamp in his passport.

 

Then back in his home country, he can apply for the proper Visa and see whether he gets it and can come back. If not (if he would be blacklisted), he is at least in a place where he CAN look for work and where social security networks would help him survive and maybe send small money to his family also for survival.

 

The option... stuck in Mukdaharn... no money to go any place... no chance to get a job and earn money... and the family at his side starving... that is really really really the dumbest thing to do. 

 

 

Nail on the head.....

 

............What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning?

Feasable or not?........

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

 

I had a friend who tried this. He changed his name by deed poll (£33) and subsequently got a new UK passport with no trace whatsoever of his old name.

 

He arrived at BKK airport ok on a tourist visa, but on doing his 1st border run (Nong Khai) was refused entry. The Immigration officer showed him the computer screen of his old passport details & photo.

 

Mind you, he was extradited back to the UK and faced charges beforehand.

 

Immigration are not as dumb as you think.

 

EDIT:

On retrospect, he actually flew from LHR to KL, then KL to VTE  (didn't want to risk entering Thailand at an airport) and was admitted in Nong Khai. Then on the subsequent border run, he was refused at Aranyaprathet citing the same person.

 

He thought he could enter "under the radar".

 



 

............What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning?

Feasable or not?........

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

 

I had a friend who tried this. He changed his name by deed poll (£33) and subsequently got a new UK passport with no trace whatsoever of his old name.

 

He arrived at BKK airport ok on a tourist visa, but on doing his 1st border run (Nong Khai) was refused entry. The Immigration officer showed him the computer screen of his old passport details & photo.

 

Mind you, he was extradited back to the UK and faced charges beforehand.

 

Immigration are not as dumb as you think.

 

EDIT:

On retrospect, he actually flew from LHR to KL, then KL to VTE  (didn't want to risk entering Thailand at an airport) and was admitted in Nong Khai. Then on the subsequent border run, he was refused at Aranyaprathet citing the same person.

 

He thought he could enter "under the radar".

 

total BS, I know someone body who does it and has 3 passports in 3 different names and they have never had a problem.Not once. Just came back on another one-straight in.No worrys. Unless this man is on some sort of terrorist serious crime list nobody has anything to worry about.The British will NOT inform the Thai's (unless they are 1- pedophiles 2-suspect terrorist 3- serious crime.

I know one man who has done this 18 times!

I visit men in jail and have bumped into them on sukumvit and they told me they did the same ( they were britis) and all that fingerprint/facial recognition- rendered all but useless if ones knows what to do.

A documentary recently proved this so.

Thailand will never be able to keep out those who know what they are doing- and bedside's-they need the white $ far more than doing what is needed to keep the bad out.

 

 

 

 



 

 

............What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning?

Feasable or not?........

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

 

I had a friend who tried this. He changed his name by deed poll (£33) and subsequently got a new UK passport with no trace whatsoever of his old name.

 

He arrived at BKK airport ok on a tourist visa, but on doing his 1st border run (Nong Khai) was refused entry. The Immigration officer showed him the computer screen of his old passport details & photo.

 

Mind you, he was extradited back to the UK and faced charges beforehand.

 

Immigration are not as dumb as you think.

 

EDIT:

On retrospect, he actually flew from LHR to KL, then KL to VTE  (didn't want to risk entering Thailand at an airport) and was admitted in Nong Khai. Then on the subsequent border run, he was refused at Aranyaprathet citing the same person.

 

He thought he could enter "under the radar".

 

total BS, I know someone body who does it and has 3 passports in 3 different names and they have never had a problem.Not once. Just came back on another one-straight in.No worrys. Unless this man is on some sort of terrorist serious crime list nobody has anything to worry about.The British will NOT inform the Thai's (unless they are 1- pedophiles 2-suspect terrorist 3- serious crime.

I know one man who has done this 18 times!

I visit men in jail and have bumped into them on sukumvit and they told me they did the same ( they were britis) and all that fingerprint/facial recognition- rendered all but useless if ones knows what to do.

A documentary recently proved this so.

Thailand will never be able to keep out those who know what they are doing- and bedside's-they need the white $ far more than doing what is needed to keep the bad out.

 

sorry, if he was extradited it does change things a little bit.In  that case I would advise becoming "born again" check out 'silk road".Many nations still sell passports- all legally for a relative small amount of money.still not really any big deal.

 

 



 

 



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............What about going back to the UK and changing name by deed poll, getting a new passport and simply returning?

Feasable or not?........

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

 

I had a friend who tried this. He changed his name by deed poll (£33) and subsequently got a new UK passport with no trace whatsoever of his old name.

 

He arrived at BKK airport ok on a tourist visa, but on doing his 1st border run (Nong Khai) was refused entry. The Immigration officer showed him the computer screen of his old passport details & photo.

 

Mind you, he was extradited back to the UK and faced charges beforehand.

 

Immigration are not as dumb as you think.

 

EDIT:

On retrospect, he actually flew from LHR to KL, then KL to VTE  (didn't want to risk entering Thailand at an airport) and was admitted in Nong Khai. Then on the subsequent border run, he was refused at Aranyaprathet citing the same person.

 

He thought he could enter "under the radar".

 

There have also been several cases reported on TV of half-Thais who entered Thailand on a foreign passport, overstayed and tried to exit on a brand new Thai passport, some with different names in their two passports.  The system picked up their entries on their foreign passports and Immigration fined them for overstaying.  They clearly have a system that matches people based on face recognition and/or other criteria.

 

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