Scottish independence: Yes camp hails 'momentum'

[smokie36]

What'll happen to the pandas?

We'll breed them with the only Tory MP left in Scotland.

That is a black and while issue for most Scots right enough!

Pmsl....

[sustento]

There you go. Fixed it for you...

Well done, sustento. What about the Welsh and Northern Irish elements of this new country? Don't they count? I suppose old habits die hard.

So it's ok for Scotland to be an independent country but not England?

[smotherb]

What happens if Scotland votes yes?

We go back to living in caves and eating our young. Apparently.

So, the Scots are responsible for English civilization thus far.

[smotherb]

What happens if Scotland votes yes?

We go back to living in caves and eating our young. Apparently.

So, the Scots are responsible for English civilization thus far.

[rajyindee]

So it's ok for Scotland to be an independent country but not England?

At this moment in time, that's a pretty accurate assessment of the situation.

[Neeranam]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

[smokie36]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

Shhh Neeranam.... They haven't got a clue.....this was the "double dip" Cameron warned them about!

[ScotSurvey]

So it's ok for Scotland to be an independent country but not England?

At this moment in time, that's a pretty accurate assessment of the situation.

They can't even work up the courage to be independent of Germany - slaves to the EU, that's what they are.

Germany lost the war - but Germany won the peace.

The English are mere puppets on a Teutonic string. This would be a good national anthem for them -

[ScotSurvey]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

They're only £1.5 trillion in debt and have about 3 weeks of oil left in their solitary rig.

Maybe they could ask Germany for a loan.

[smokie36]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

They're only £1.5 trillion in debt and have about 3 weeks of oil left in their solitary rig.

Maybe they could ask Germany for a loan.

Interestingly the English might have considerable oil off the Falkland Islands.... Only trouble is the Argentinians aren't too happy about it.

Where are they moving Trident?

[smokie36]

Oh but hang on.....10% of any if those oil discoveries will belong to Scotland too.....what a lovely day it is!

[transam]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

They're only £1.5 trillion in debt and have about 3 weeks of oil left in their solitary rig.

Maybe they could ask Germany for a loan.

Whose they...?

[Jim walker]

Definitely the best opportunity for Scotland in 300 years it has to be yes why would anyone else give their money to another country and let them decide how to spend their money for them, it’s just the last of British Empire dissolving it’s so badly needing a change and we certainly don’t want to be ruled by UKIP for the next 4 years because England voted them in. YES if India can manage to break away surely Scotland can manage their own affairs.

[smokie36]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

They're only £1.5 trillion in debt and have about 3 weeks of oil left in their solitary rig.

Maybe they could ask Germany for a loan.

Whose they...?

The Fritz republic of Europe.

Expect when the Euro collapses the Deuchmark to reappear as England's new currency...but don't worry ...you can still spend your pounds in Scotland!

[emilymat]

Hadrian's Wall revisited.

Passport control along the M6.

Does the Republic of Ireland have passport control at the border with Northern Ireland? Then why should Scotland need it?

easy....they are both in the EU.

That's why.

[transam]

How much will England lose financially if Scotland separates?

They must be sh*tting themselves.

They're only £1.5 trillion in debt and have about 3 weeks of oil left in their solitary rig.

Maybe they could ask Germany for a loan.

Whose they...?

The Fritz republic of Europe.

Expect when the Euro collapses the Deuchmark to reappear as England's new currency...but don't worry ...you can still spend your pounds in Scotland!

I did mean, who ("they") has 1.5 Trillion quid of debt........?

[smokie36]

Haha my tongue firmly in cheek there... A tenth of that we can deal with easily in the first year of oil revenue without dropping free university education for our kids.

How about England?

[rajyindee]

Hadrian's Wall revisited.

Passport control along the M6.

Does the Republic of Ireland have passport control at the border with Northern Ireland? Then why should Scotland need it?

easy....they are both in the EU.

That's why.

It's nothing to do with the EU. It's the CTA ... including the Isle of Man and Channel Islands, neither of which are members of the EU. There's no reason whatsoever why Scotland, or the new Country comprising Wales Northern Ireland and England, won't remain a member of the CTA. Unless, of course, you have ran out of scare stories to run in the press.

[ScotSurvey]

Haha my tongue firmly in cheek there... A tenth of that we can deal with easily in the first year of oil revenue without dropping free university education for our kids.

How about England?

You forgot about the free prescription and free elderly care services too.

We Scots are a civilized lot - we don't tax people for being sick, and steal homes from the elderly.

[transam]

Haha my tongue firmly in cheek there... A tenth of that we can deal with easily in the first year of oil revenue without dropping free university education for our kids.

How about England?

So we are back to my assumption that the independence thing is on the back of oil, nothing else, no oil, no push for independence....Tut Tut........Bit like saying, bugger of England and Wales, we found black gold so stuff you NOW............

[smokie36]

Haha my tongue firmly in cheek there... A tenth of that we can deal with easily in the first year of oil revenue without dropping free university education for our kids.

How about England?

You forgot about the free prescription and free elderly care services too.

We Scots are a civilized lot - we don't tax people for being sick, and steal homes from the elderly.

Nor do we charge people to park in hospitals when they are visiting sick relatives and clamp their cars when they leave ten minutes late.

These are things Scots think are simply just and right....and why we are different from the rest of the UK.

For me if taxes had to rise by a percent or two to allow kids from all backgrounds to have a fair crack at a better education I would not complain at all.

I bet few in the South East would agree.. they believe in exclusivity and continuation....a continuity of their elite status.

A YES vote will go a long way to a more inclusive society being born in Scotland.

[smokie36]

Haha my tongue firmly in cheek there... A tenth of that we can deal with easily in the first year of oil revenue without dropping free university education for our kids.

How about England?

So we are back to my assumption that the independence thing is on the back of oil, nothing else, no oil, no push for independence....Tut Tut........Bit like saying, bugger of England and Wales, we found black gold so stuff you NOW............

If you read my subsequent post you will see that is not true at all.

[CaptHaddock]

Haha my tongue firmly in cheek there... A tenth of that we can deal with easily in the first year of oil revenue without dropping free university education for our kids.

How about England?

So we are back to my assumption that the independence thing is on the back of oil, nothing else, no oil, no push for independence....Tut Tut........Bit like saying, bugger of England and Wales, we found black gold so stuff you NOW............

A reasonable view if it were the case that the Scots voluntarily entered the union with Great Britain, but the battle of Culloden says otherwise..

[Wat dee]

Downing street might call White House...They might get trigger happy knowing there's OIL.

[hotsoup]

Who would have thought there were so many Scottish People in Thailand?!. Perhaps that explains all those little tartan

school girl skirts? What has England to lose? Fish, Grouse, an education system with thousands of well educated professionals, healthcare and social services that works, hectares of sea and land, and islands. Oh, oil, I think Salmond has possibly a limited vision. A union of Scotland, Wales, Ireland let alone NI and all those other islands from Jersey to the Isle of Man might put a shiver up England let alone the EU. I really hope that the Londoners have overplayed their hand. Independence? London as Singapore and the rest go hang?

[smokie36]

The tartan skirts.....oh man.....Cannae be a better reason to vote YES hahaha!

[emilymat]

I think a break up of the UK will be a disaster for everyone involved. I also despair that a film and a television debate could be the basis of a 'yes' vote, particularly among the young.

I'm English and 100% agree it's for the Scot's to decide this issue. But is it the Scots?. What about the thousands that live in England, Wales and N Ireland - not to mention those living abroad. They have no say. What about the English and immigrants living in Scotland who do have a say?.

It's an irreversible decision, not like a general election where you can reverse things at the next polling day. That's what worries me. That teenager swimmer that won the gold medal and held his fist up crying 'freedom' summed some of it up for me. You would think Scotland was Albania or something under the Soviets.

I know all the issues such as currency etc. have been well discussed, without any clear answer but, at the end of the day Scotland will be a foreign country and so will England. The EU issue would then be interesting. Suppose Scotland applies to join and just as the application is being approved the rest of the UK leave the EU under the Cameron referendum?. What is the position on freedom of movement between and EU and non EU country?. Border controls on the M6 are not such an absurd proposition after all. Someone on this forum can tell me that I'm sure.

The first thing ex pat's in Thailand will notice with a 'yes' vote is a major fall in the pound. It has already been falling gradually due to the uncertainty. By the way, why does the yes campaign want to keep the pound with interest rates for example being set by London?

I assume Scotland will have a president rather than the current monarchy. I wonder who that might be?.

Also, what happens to all those Scots with UK passports?. Those in England can use them but Scots in Scotland will have to have their own?.

I honestly am not trying to be smart. I love Scotland and have spent many happy times in that country both working and holidaymaking.

But....if I were Scot and had a vote I think it would certainly be 'No'. I just think there are so many uncertainties and complexities with uncoupling the two countries after 3/4 hundred years that it's too risky.

I've been a Labour voter all my life and would never want a Tory government if I had my way. But that's democracy for you.

What!! a Labout voter, is that because like most Labour voters, you voted Labour because your Father voted Labour?

[smokie36]

My father voted Labour....as did his father.....I have never voted Labour.

I have never voted SNP......next question?

Vote YES.

[smokie36]

The momentum is with the independence vote fully now.... It seems the no camp have pulled up the shutters and ready to pack their bags.. Tell me....will England give them all permanent residency? :-P

[gamini]

I don't see how it could be bad for Scotland if they get to take the North Sea oil with them. They could be the next Norway. However, Scottish independence would consign the UK to the clutches of the Tories forever. Hard luck for the Brits in that case.

Surely it will be good news. No more socialist governments for us. Good Tory governments. We expats are not all working class!

What class are you?

Upper middle class! Anything wrong with that?