Police charges for those accusing the police of using scapegoats

[stat088]

I'm not feeling too well....think I'm gonna puke now!!!!

Makan

[bigjules007]

Of course the powers that be would try and dis credit a key witness, but i dont know for the life of me why he would of been allowed to leave the island by the police after saying the things he did. Surely his testimony would be relevant in the case. Seems like he was allowed to go so the heat would then ho away from the real perpetrators or at least the people Sean accused of being the real perpetrators.

Anomalies like these are precisely the reason that a huge proportion of people are implying that the RTP are not telling the truth and have the wrong men in custody

[sweatalot]

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Criticising court rulings is illegal in thailand as it is construed as contempt of court but there is no law against criticising the work of the police or other civil servants. Saying that no one can disagree with the police is dictatorship in the raw. Thailand on the way to becoming a police state.

Ummm....maybe you missed the part where Thailand is now under the absolue power of the NCPO as a result of a recent military coup?

Ummm....maybe you missed the part where the 2007 Constitution was tossed by the Junta and martial law trumps civil liberties?

The police are now under the Junta and any criticism of the police might be by extension a criticism of the Junta. And you know the NCPO's viewpoint about that.

Do you really believe the government identifies itself with Thai police?

[MAJIC]

Sadly for obvious reasons The case is prematurely closed,and not open for discussion,like it or not!

Not at all her.. the parents need to why they were murderd.. and so do the public to prevent it happening again

I sincerely hope the case will be reopened! it needs to be!

[bunglebag]

Why did the two dewarf's have no marks, scratches on them, they were interviewed a day after the killings and let go, they worked in the Ac bar were the altercation took place, there were witness's to that , but not with them !

I have talked to many guys who have said, there is no way David could not of put up a fight, also they are saying the injuries on David were not from a hoe but a small knife, it would have taken a long time to kill him with one of these!

Origionally , i read David had bruising on his knuckles , they ,or someone would of had marks.

A lot is missing here, too many unanswered questions and we all know that ,apart from JTJ !!

Most of what you say has come from comments on social media that grow with repeated telling.

What witnesses to the altercation - a Scot who posted on FB, then disappeared when his kiddie porn conviction was revealed? Where are the others? The friends of the deceased who were present haven't come out to confirm McAnna's stories - in fact they have been very quiet. None of the press seem interested in him anymore either.

One poster went into great depth about the injuries to the male victim, even asserting the type of weapon used. Amazing he deduced all that from photos on FB.

Who are these mysterious guy's you've talked to? How are they qualified to make such statements - were they sitting on bar stools, ex SAS, Navy Seals, Intepol etc?

There are anomalies which need to be addressed during the trial and should be explored by the lawyers. The poor management of the media, comments to the media and speculations by some presented as true facts was also extremely unfortunate and helped fuel the conspiracy theorists.

We all "know' what we want to believe. And many have made their mind up that there is a great conspiracy and that they, through their fantastic powers of reasoning and knowledge of such things, know exactly who the guilty party are. They probably know who killed JFK, Marilyn Monroe and he ID of Jack the Ripper too.

After Mc Kenna's family contacted the British Gov't they advised Mc Kenna not to speak.

They came and removed him from the island.

Under guard.

The kiddie porn revelation came after he was gone.

Screenshots are of the day after the murders.

The footage of him getting onto the boat seemed to show him just on his own. No-one overtly 'guarding' or even seeming to accompany him. But surely there must have been someone with him surely?

Those facebook messages came exactly one week after the original murders. He claimed he had gone to ac bar for a drink and Mon and 2 others sat down and started harassing him then threatened him so he legged it to 7-11 / minimart where he borrowed a phone from the attendant and took pictures of them then posted pics + those messages to facebook. On CSI LA page there are now some pictures from inside 7-11 / minimart.

He had earlier in the week posted that someone had ransacked his room after the murders, and implied that he had a strong idea who had done that too.

Edited October 7, 2014 by bunglebag

[bigjules007]

Why did the two dewarf's have no marks, scratches on them, they were interviewed a day after the killings and let go, they worked in the Ac bar were the altercation took place, there were witness's to that , but not with them !

I have talked to many guys who have said, there is no way David could not of put up a fight, also they are saying the injuries on David were not from a hoe but a small knife, it would have taken a long time to kill him with one of these!

Origionally , i read David had bruising on his knuckles , they ,or someone would of had marks.

A lot is missing here, too many unanswered questions and we all know that ,apart from JTJ !!

Most of what you say has come from comments on social media that grow with repeated telling.

What witnesses to the altercation - a Scot who posted on FB, then disappeared when his kiddie porn conviction was revealed? Where are the others? The friends of the deceased who were present haven't come out to confirm McAnna's stories - in fact they have been very quiet. None of the press seem interested in him anymore either.

One poster went into great depth about the injuries to the male victim, even asserting the type of weapon used. Amazing he deduced all that from photos on FB.

Who are these mysterious guy's you've talked to? How are they qualified to make such statements - were they sitting on bar stools, ex SAS, Navy Seals, Intepol etc?

There are anomalies which need to be addressed during the trial and should be explored by the lawyers. The poor management of the media, comments to the media and speculations by some presented as true facts was also extremely unfortunate and helped fuel the conspiracy theorists.

We all "know' what we want to believe. And many have made their mind up that there is a great conspiracy and that they, through their fantastic powers of reasoning and knowledge of such things, know exactly who the guilty party are. They probably know who killed JFK, Marilyn Monroe and he ID of Jack the Ripper too.

After Mc Kenna's family contacted the British Gov't they advised Mc Kenna not to speak.

They came and removed him from the island.

Under guard.

The kiddie porn revelation came after he was gone.

Screenshots are of the day after the murders.

The footage of him getting onto the boat seemed to show him just on his own. No-one overtly 'guarding' or even seeming to accompany him. But surely there must have been someone with him surely?

Those facebook messages came exactly one week after the original murders. He claimed he had gone to ac bar for a drink and Mon and 2 others sat down and started harassing him then threatened him so he legged it to 7-11 / minimart where he borrowed a phone from the attendant and took pictures of them then posted pics + those messages to facebook. On CSI LA page there are now some pictures from inside 7-11 / minimart.

He had earlier in the week posted that someone had ransacked his room after the murders, and implied that he had a strong idea who had done that too.

Yes I forgot about that, he said someone had stolen some money from the room too.

[mataleo]

If alredy posted appogies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11145536/Thai-police-deny-cover-up-of-Britons-murders.html

[bongoz]

if you are posting inside Thailand they know right where you live and which computer you use.

That's utter rubbish!!

There are ways and means of masking your IP address - It's called the onion network, freely available and easy to use - just like your normal browser. Mix in a bit of Hola and who knows you may be untraceable!

[bongoz]

Explain that then

A picture tells a 1000 words ... but in this case some words would be helpful!

[bunglebag]

If alredy posted appogies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11145536/Thai-police-deny-cover-up-of-Britons-murders.html

Thanks.

Good exposure. UK not pushing hard enough yet but things could be starting to build a bit now.

At the end of the day though I feel Thailand would rather lose any goodwill with UK rather than blow everything wide open

Edited October 7, 2014 by bunglebag

[bongoz]

Complete nonsense how can they track you down? Bully tactics. Freedom of speech, now you can't critize the police. Pm Prayuth what has happened to Thailand?

Well, obviously they will not try to run after every single person sharing links on Facebook or similar, that would be ridiculous, impossible and a huge lose of face for the BiB. But the people behind CSI LA might be swimming in hot water..

RTP are seriously worried about the postings on CSI LA. latest posting there, 34 mins ago, shows that the alleged murderers where DNA tested in the initial round. So why s long to get THEIR results....? After that round of testing, they police still hadn't had a match. Either way, CSI LA is based outside of Thailand.

And how would you know they are based out of Thailand - a bit of evidence would help!

[bunglebag]

Complete nonsense how can they track you down? Bully tactics. Freedom of speech, now you can't critize the police. Pm Prayuth what has happened to Thailand?

Well, obviously they will not try to run after every single person sharing links on Facebook or similar, that would be ridiculous, impossible and a huge lose of face for the BiB. But the people behind CSI LA might be swimming in hot water..

RTP are seriously worried about the postings on CSI LA. latest posting there, 34 mins ago, shows that the alleged murderers where DNA tested in the initial round. So why s long to get THEIR results....? After that round of testing, they police still hadn't had a match. Either way, CSI LA is based outside of Thailand.

And how would you know they are based out of Thailand - a bit of evidence would help!

Based in the US. The family already tried to warn him off a few days ago apparently too

Edited October 7, 2014 by bunglebag

[rick182]

If they have confessed why havent we heard the motive!... I dont buy it... What motivated them to do it?.. What happend to the condom?.. Where is the other murder weapon?... Theres too many holes.,. The logical explantion is the some Thail heavies did it after David defended Hannah,, And the corruption lies with the police who have obvioulsy taken a bribe fron who ever did its boss!

[ggt]

charged with insulting officials! Thais and foreigners are "required" to accept at face value every utterance from those most honorable and honest officials...why on earth...would anyone question their integrity...For Shame!

Number one crime in Thailand...don't even think about questioning Thai deity...

[bunglebag]

Police claiming they cannot collect DNA samples due to human rights issues?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=704438416300553&set=vb.596740650403664&type=3&theater

Although after the Sean threats police said that they had taken Mon's DNA (after he previously refused to provide a sample!!!) and he was apparently cleared within 24 hours (too quick to be genuinely cleared?!!!).

How close would an uncle's DNA be to a nephews?

*If* they really did take his DNA sample as they stated then they already have it - no human right issue there??

if they do not have his DNA sample already then they were blatantly lying previously when they said he had provided it and been cleared

Edited October 7, 2014 by bunglebag

[sabaitoo]

Sean in the minimart, from another angle...guess the cameraman ????

[chotthee]

If alredy posted appogies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11145536/Thai-police-deny-cover-up-of-Britons-murders.html

Thanks.

Good exposure. UK not pushing hard enough yet but things could be starting to build a bit now.

At the end of the day though I feel Thailand would rather lose any goodwill with UK rather than blow everything wide open

Like Daily Mail, all UK papers including BBC should be ban in Thailand for telling the truth and saying something that is not suppose to say.

[ParadiseLost]

if you are posting inside Thailand they know right where you live and which computer you use.

That's utter rubbish!!

There are ways and means of masking your IP address - It's called the onion network, freely available and easy to use - just like your normal browser. Mix in a bit of Hola and who knows you may be untraceable!

Or you can practice a bit of self control and use decorum instead of histrionics when posting?

[kkup]

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Police claiming they cannot collect DNA samples due to human rights issues?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=704438416300553&set=vb.596740650403664&type=3&theater

Although after the Sean threats police said that they had taken Mon's DNA (after he previously refused to provide a sample!!!) and he was apparently cleared within 24 hours (too quick to be genuinely cleared?!!!).

How close would an uncle's DNA be to a nephews?

*If* they really did take his DNA sample as they stated then they already have it - no human right issue there??

if they do not have his DNA sample already then they were blatantly lying previously when they said he had provided it and been cleared

All we need is to test the Burmese against the victim samples in the UK.... Lawyers can get this done.

[kkup]

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If alredy posted appogies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11145536/Thai-police-deny-cover-up-of-Britons-murders.html

That's great exposure.. nice to see their lawyer is all over it too.. No reason why the samples can't be retested, they only need to test the Burmese first and that's easy.. I think a few Thai police will be having some sleepless nights.

[JoeLing]

Getting back to:

Police charges for those accusing the police of using scapegoats

How comes:

Only ThaiVisa, Samui Times and another couple of foreigner forums

carry [sorry, copy and pasted] this headlines or mention anything
close to it

We all know, this forums might be great for entertainment on a rainy
afternoon but sure not the most reliable news source available.

So please Samui Times and ThaiVisa "journalists" where are your

sources, any transcripts, any links?

[SMSinBangkok]

Starting to see Thailand in a different light since this case

Not that I feel in imminent danger, but def a feeling of insecurity if something would happen. Life is cheap, you cannot trust the police, as we've seen in around a dozen high profile cases involving foreigners over the last 10 yrs or so. I can only think of 2 cases where there was actually some justice.

Exactly my feelings as well.

Martin

[MikePhuket1970]

Starting to see Thailand in a different light since this case

Not that I feel in imminent danger, but def a feeling of insecurity if something would happen. Life is cheap, you cannot trust the police, as we've seen in around a dozen high profile cases involving foreigners over the last 10 yrs or so. I can only think of 2 cases where there was actually some justice.

Exactly my feelings as well.

Martin

In a corrupt country you can hide your IP

Use VPN.

ZenMate is a good add on and free

Edited October 7, 2014 by MikePhuket1970

[smedly]

for me this should be taken as very useful feedback and a clear sign there is a need for change in the RTP from top to bottom

Threatening people with charges because they have an opinion is quite ridiculous to say the least

[longtom]

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And yet another excellent reason why all expats living in Thailand should leave in protest. Let's stop asking the tourists to boycott Thailand shall we and do something constructive ourselves. If I can leave in protest then so can you.

Remember your spending in Thailand helps fuel the system, a system that is corrupt enough to garner sufficient suspicion that is is a cover up. Whether the two Burmese are scapegoats or not remains unanswered but the fact is that any expat remaining in Thailand merely helps fuel this type of situation.

Right now there's a petition - http://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller# I'm sure you've all seen it. Surely signing it is a good thing but it would be far more effective if thousands of you simply walked out of Thailand in process.... If I can do it so can you.

Really, &lt;deleted&gt;?!

I respect your decision to leave Thailand. But even if you were not aware of the ´dark side´ of Thailand, I´m pretty sure that most of the expats living here (for a few years at least) know pretty well what´s going on here.

Don´t get me wrong, of course this was a horrific crime, the police action and public statements were terrible, and maybe the guys apprehended are not really (the only ones) culpable. But living here for some time, that´s not really news is it?

Shall we go back to our countries like the US with dozens of serial killers, school massacres, gang violence and whatever? Or maybe to Mexico with hundreds of murder cases where the police/military is involved? Or maybe to Cambodia, where there is no violence whatsoever? Or to UK, where there are no unsolved murder/rape cases ? Or ... (insert any country in the world!). There must be hundreds of thousands of similar crimes happening all over the world every year, just you don´t see the pictures and that´s why you don´t care about those.

Don´t judge a whole country and it´s people for one murder case, please.

[Heng]

It sucks but who is going to police the police? The army shows the ability to do it once and again but like all armies, they are way to 'blunt' to deal with stuff like this.

[Heng]

I think a Koh Toh tourism boycott would be more doable... and gets back at the folks involved in a more direct way.

[SoFarAndNear]

Actually I was not someone who question all of the police work. But start threatening people who are not agree with this "closed case" (Hell he really called it "closed case") let the alarm signals ringing...

[JoeLing]

I have not seen any international news agency having any references to this claim.

But, IF the Deputy Police Commissioner-General Pol Col Somyos Pumphanmuang,

on behalf of the Royal Thai Police, will charge people for criticising the police, then

he is in utter contempt of the Universal Human Rights and the joint ASEAN declaration

of human rights signed by the representatives of the government on behalf of the

Kingdom of Thailand.

,,,,,,

Since when have the RTP been concerned about Rights? ........

Since last week.

[Due to human right issue, police can't collect DNA samples from all individuals.]

Not quite sure if those remarks where just a "faux pas" like the "bikini speech" or if

only Thai "Ariens" are considerate to be humans? Sure some educated Thai could clarify

on how the government stands on this issue

I can only assume, this week someone must have lost those "Human something" pages.

As resident in this country I feel it's my duty to show the police how much I love them

and so send them some FREE links to those "dam articles"

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

http://www.asean.org/news/asean-statement-communiques/item/asean-human-rights-declaration

Now if someone could post, which day's are those Human Rights applied days

and which days are the "give a s..t about human rights' in the Thai calendar?

Edited October 7, 2014 by JoeLing

[longtom]

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I think a Koh Toh tourism boycott would be more

doable... and back at the folks involved in a more direct way.´

I always respected your posts very much in the last few years, but wondering why you would call for a boycott punishing everybody on Tao just because some big shots there have a big influence. I thought from your knowledge about the property business you are aware that the ´small people´ on Tao are not really in a position to influence the proceedings in this case.

Who does it help to punish the small shop owners, thai and migrant workers on the islands? They were neither involved nor knew anything about the case except rumours. (which I know from some personal contacts on the island)

On the other hand, I know that you don´t have the highest opinion about the ´small people´ .