Just got kicked out of thai with valid visa

[bigwhitewarrior]

3 things very disturbing to me:

1) the officer expected him to read and write after 6 months and because he couldn't, he cancelled his ED visa. There is no way you can read and write Thai after 6 months, the language schools don't even teach that after 6 months.

Remember he had a marriage visa for 8 years !!!!! He should speak Thai and be able to read it too... I don't think the officer is wrong in being suspicious . I would be too.

i've been married to a thai for 8 years and can barely order chicken fried rice in thai. maybe his wife is fluent in english like mine?

Exactly my point... mine is fluent in English too...that doesn't stop.me being disciplined and asking her to speak Thai with me... if you really want to learn thai...then you can

..if you don't want to learn...then continue talking English with your other half.... up to you :-)

[jacko45k]

If you are being refused entry, they can / will send you back to your last port of departure.

Which was Hong Kong, so they are not.

[Incobart]

I do feel sorry for him, those without sin can trow the first stone, but no reason for all ED-visa holders to panic.

If you follow the rules correctly, or don't get caught there is no worry. How do you get caught ? 90 % of the time because you have "an enemy" in Thailand that report you.

In his case, he just divorced his Thai wife so POSSIBLY someone angry, and able to report him about not attending, working ...

If immigration just check then, they can find within 2 min following messages from him online : "

Posted 2014-02-13 15:07:18

Hello,

I will divorce next week, i need advice for my visa, i still have 4 months left on my visa, should i change it right away ? My idea was to get a student visa but with all the problems in thailand, i need two month to get this done. I also have a contract stating that the house we bought it's ours 50/50, should i present this contract while divorcing ? How i can be sure that she don't put the house in the bank to get money ?

Thanks.

Legal to open an online pharmacy for export ?

Posted by JohnnyBKK on 2014-04-06 14:19:14

i contacted the FDA and i will wait for their answer. If it can be done without much problems i will do it, if not i will find another business to do.

So they have reason to believe he is misusing the visa, and therefore kicked him out. Embassy or Walen can not help as he didn't attend classes. Walen start immediately with reading/writing so if he know NOTHING about it it confirms he didn't attend.

So golden rule, use the correct visa, follow the rules, or make no enemies ..

[bigwhitewarrior]

Now you are pulling my leg ... right ?

Absolutely not even some that profess they have never had intimate relations with a Thai.

That's the same lot that "did not inhale" right ? ;-)

There's a few non inhalers here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/779030-who-didnt-come-here-for-the-women/

Seriously entertaining ... roflmao .. thanks for that ... stomach me hurting now ... ;-)

[DekDaeng]

Should have told them you were learning English.

or studying khon Thai, not put Thai.

They might have found you a faster exit

Edited November 29, 2014 by DekDaeng

[BritTim]

I have plenty of friends that have been in business here for 30 years or more and can't speak Thai other than a few words. 6 months is more than enough time to be able to read and write Thai if you give enough time to it. Attending classes for a couple of hours a week and not learning outside of that period is a joke and immigration know that.

30 years ? Really ? And cannot speak Thai? I don't believe it

I can confirm that I have met several Westerners, resident over 30 years in Thailand, who speak less than a dozen words of Thai. They inhabit expat ghettos and have often never even visited Chiang Mai. In my experience, though, Westerners in business here usually have a smattering of Thai or better.

[Orac]

ATF why don't you think the OP will tell us, all his fans, what airport?

Absolutely no idea.

Since he has been asked a number of times and no response I would assume he is a troll making up the story. It would be too easy to check if we knew the airport.

I don't understand why some posters want to know which airport. I don't see the relevance of it. IIRC, OP said he flew in from Hkg. If he flew AirAsia, then it would be DMK. But there aren't any flights from DMK to France. That only leaves Suvarnabhumi.

What is more unusual is the time of the post. As far as I know, there are no arrivals from Hkg at 4.00 am or thereabouts. Unless he flew in late last night and was at the airport the whole night long and only made his post at 4 am this morning which is highly possible.

Based on the timing of his first post, I'm tempted to believe that he arrived to Bkk late last night and only posted when he had exhausted all his options of trying to re-enter.

Can't imagine any troll would post something up at 4 am in the morning just to troll.

If you assume he is a troll, which isn't clear as his story has some plausibility, then why do you believe he is in Thailand and not another timezone?

[ColdSingha]

Exactly my point... mine is fluent in English too...that doesn't stop.me being disciplined and asking her to speak Thai with me... if you really want to learn thai...then you can

..if you don't want to learn...then continue talking English with your other half.... up to you :-)

oh i just don't want to learn thai. at all

[thailiketoo]

Since he has been asked a number of times and no response I would assume he is a troll making up the story. It would be too easy to check if we knew the airport.

I don't understand why some posters want to know which airport. I don't see the relevance of it. IIRC, OP said he flew in from Hkg. If he flew AirAsia, then it would be DMK. But there aren't any flights from DMK to France. That only leaves Suvarnabhumi.

What is more unusual is the time of the post. As far as I know, there are no arrivals from Hkg at 4.00 am or thereabouts. Unless he flew in late last night and was at the airport the whole night long and only made his post at 4 am this morning which is highly possible.

Based on the timing of his first post, I'm tempted to believe that he arrived to Bkk late last night and only posted when he had exhausted all his options of trying to re-enter.

Can't imagine any troll would post something up at 4 am in the morning just to troll.

If you assume he is a troll, which isn't clear as his story has some plausibility, then why do you believe he is in Thailand and not another timezone?

I don't think the story has any plausibility. Why do you? Look at his posting history. Look at the time posted. Look at his ignoring simple questions.

[HooHaa]

They didnt let me in. I asked 100 times to fly anywhere else than my country and it was refused. They said the only country i can go back is France. Immigration officer told me every ed visa will be checked.

nonsense, they cannot tell you to go home, they can ony refuse entry.

And why can you not write or read even the most basic thai, unless you started studying yesterday?

[billd766]

Due to the original Visa crack down they may be seeing an increase in ED visa's coming through and decided to challenge those carrying them. Totally self destructive as what ever figures TAT publish you would have to be blind not to realise the tourist industry is in melt down

If you are here on an ED visa then you are not a tourist and vice/versa.

[HooHaa]

I have plenty of friends that have been in business here for 30 years or more and can't speak Thai other than a few words. 6 months is more than enough time to be able to read and write Thai if you give enough time to it. Attending classes for a couple of hours a week and not learning outside of that period is a joke and immigration know that.

30 years ? Really ? And cannot speak Thai? I don't believe it

I can confirm that I have met several Westerners, resident over 30 years in Thailand, who speak less than a dozen words of Thai. They inhabit expat ghettos and have often never even visited Chiang Mai. In my experience, though, Westerners in business here usually have a smattering of Thai or better.

i have been here since 1996 and i have never visited chiang mai, whats your point?

i do speak thai very comfortably though i have never learned to read.

[Adeeos]

Sooo,,, easy,,,, book a flight to France,, that goes in a around-about way,, as in,,, Book a flight that stops/lays over/transfers in another adjacent country, Say,, HK, Japan, etc?.... Then deplane, cancel/change/refund your tix???

[steve187]

it would look like he was on the airfrance 10.10am flight, looking at his post at 9.49am or there abouts

[aripengu]

I am not sure,but I would say it's illegal to refuse entry if you have a reentry permit. You have a reentry permit because obviously you have possessions and an address in Thailand. I would contact a lawyer if you can.

[John1thru10]

Since he has been asked a number of times and no response I would assume he is a troll making up the story. It would be too easy to check if we knew the airport.

I don't understand why some posters want to know which airport. I don't see the relevance of it. IIRC, OP said he flew in from Hkg. If he flew AirAsia, then it would be DMK. But there aren't any flights from DMK to France. That only leaves Suvarnabhumi.

What is more unusual is the time of the post. As far as I know, there are no arrivals from Hkg at 4.00 am or thereabouts. Unless he flew in late last night and was at the airport the whole night long and only made his post at 4 am this morning which is highly possible.

Based on the timing of his first post, I'm tempted to believe that he arrived to Bkk late last night and only posted when he had exhausted all his options of trying to re-enter.

Can't imagine any troll would post something up at 4 am in the morning just to troll.

If you assume he is a troll, which isn't clear as his story has some plausibility, then why do you believe he is in Thailand and not another timezone?

I don't think the story has any plausibility. Why do you? Look at his posting history. Look at the time posted. Look at his ignoring simple questions.

Sorry, but this thinking is just far too paranoid: why on earth, in your opinion, would anyone even waste the time of posting false information of that sort? it would benefit them how, exactly? And, an OP has no requirement to sit anxiously awaiting all your questions, to be considered valid. Pressumably, the person is in a situation at the moment; are you really suggesting that their top priority is satisfying all your many suspicions from your arm chair somewhere else? Please, stop the paranoia here. It's a major space waster.

[Junkyarddog]

Actually the policy of making you fly back to your home country is not new. That has been with us for years. I'm don't know if it is a actual written immigration law, or just a policy they follow. An immigration official can waive that if they wish too. I have friends at Bangkok immigration, and had a friend that was overstay for a very long time. They were going to make him fly back to USA, but I was able to get them to waive this and they allowed him to fly to Singapore and start all over again with a visa. He then returned and is now about 18 months overstay again. I will not be helping him again.

[seancbk]

Someone read the reason for me it says insufficient funds. But the officer really got angry when i couldnt read thai. I had 9k baht on me a business world mastercard fully loaded and a kasikorn atm. I believe only cash counts. If i had enough cash i believe he would have said something else.

Sorry to hear of your problems Johnny.

Can I ask, did he ask how much money you had on you?

Best of luck

[Docno]

Due to the original Visa crack down they may be seeing an increase in ED visa's coming through and decided to challenge those carrying them. Totally self destructive as what ever figures TAT publish you would have to be blind not to realise the tourist industry is in melt down

Do ED visa holders (esp the less-than-legit ones) contribute significantly to the Thai economy in comparison to tourist visa holders? Will a crackdown on ED visas result in a significant drop in foreigner arrivals (i.e, EDs + tourists combined)? I suspect that the overall economic impact will be minimal, especially in relation to overall tourist dollars spent.

[Mudcrab]

They didnt let me in. I asked 100 times to fly anywhere else than my country and it was refused. They said the only country i can go back is France. Immigration officer told me every ed visa will be checked.

nonsense, they cannot tell you to go home, they can ony refuse entry.

And why can you not write or read even the most basic thai, unless you started studying yesterday?

And yet another "They can't tell you where to go" comment.

They are actually doing him a favour.

Try entering any country with a "DENIED ENTRY" stamp in your passport. (Granted there maybe one or two places like Iraq or Sudan who might let you in).

You will find yourself on the first plane back to Thailand - where you will again be denied entry.

The ONLY country that cannot deny you entry is the country of your passport.

Which is why they told him to go to France.

[Robert24]

They didnt let me in. I asked 100 times to fly anywhere else than my country and it was refused. They said the only country i can go back is France. Immigration officer told me every ed visa will be checked.

nonsense, they cannot tell you to go home, they can ony refuse entry.

And why can you not write or read even the most basic thai, unless you started studying yesterday?

Well it sounds like a deportation if the only choice he had is to go back to France. And a deportation usually only happens when you break the law, you get arrested and then deported. It does sound though quite draconian that you get deported for not having enough cash on you or for not reading or writing Thai after 6 months when you return from a short overseas trip and you are resident in Thailand.

It sounds plausible to me that this happened. Whether there were other reasons why they refused him entry, I don't know.

I hope we can find out more and hopefully this never happens to me.

[Soutpeel]

They didnt let me in. I asked 100 times to fly anywhere else than my country and it was refused. They said the only country i can go back is France. Immigration officer told me every ed visa will be checked.

nonsense, they cannot tell you to go home, they can ony refuse entry.

And why can you not write or read even the most basic thai, unless you started studying yesterday?

Well it sounds like a deportation if the only choice he had is to go back to France. And a deportation usually only happens when you break the law, you get arrested and then deported. It does sound though quite draconian that you get deported for not having enough cash on you or for not reading or writing Thai after 6 months when you return from a short overseas trip and you are resident in Thailand.

It sounds plausible to me that this happened. Whether there were other reasons why they refused him entry, I don't know.

I hope we can find out more and hopefully this never happens to me.

How can the OP be deported if he was denied entry ?

To be deported from a country one actually has to be in said country

Edited November 29, 2014 by Soutpeel

[Docno]

Interesting! Since the ED visa is not only issued to learn Thai, What happens to the Brit that is enrolled in a Japanese course or the Japanese person that is enrolled in an English course?

Quite ridiculous, right? If a Japanese really wanted to learn English, why go to Thailand? Makes much more sense to go somewhere where you'll be immersed in the language. A Brit (etc) who goes to Thailand to learn Japanese (etc.) is probably not so committed to language learning... probably has some other priorities. In fact, perhaps this is just a way to get past tourist visa restrictions (god forbid!)? I suspect the government 'gets this.'

[Mudcrab]

I am not sure,but I would say it's illegal to refuse entry if you have a reentry permit. You have a reentry permit because obviously you have possessions and an address in Thailand. I would contact a lawyer if you can.

Say it all you want. Say it at the Immigration counter, say it at the airline ticket counter, say it on the plane home. Won't change a thing. Any country has the right to refuse entry to anyone, with or without a stated reason. Holding a visa or re-entry permit is irrelevant.

[Soutpeel]

I am not sure,but I would say it's illegal to refuse entry if you have a reentry permit. You have a reentry permit because obviously you have possessions and an address in Thailand. I would contact a lawyer if you can.

Absolute <deleted>, unless you are a PR or a citizen of a country an immigration officer can deny you entry irrespective if the stramps or bits if paper you have in your pp

[thailiketoo]

If you assume he is a troll, which isn't clear as his story has some plausibility, then why do you believe he is in Thailand and not another timezone?

I don't think the story has any plausibility. Why do you? Look at his posting history. Look at the time posted. Look at his ignoring simple questions.

Sorry, but this thinking is just far too paranoid: why on earth, in your opinion, would anyone even waste the time of posting false information of that sort? it would benefit them how, exactly? And, an OP has no requirement to sit anxiously awaiting all your questions, to be considered valid. Pressumably, the person is in a situation at the moment; are you really suggesting that their top priority is satisfying all your many suspicions from your arm chair somewhere else? Please, stop the paranoia here. It's a major space waster.

The point of an internet forum is selling ads and the more posts made and more people visiting the more the ads are worth if I have the theory right. Digital people feel free to correct. So I would debate your point of it being a space waster. But if it was a space waster then your comment would be wasting more space; better to just let it drop or pm me with your critique.

I think he made the post to worry people with ED visas. Why would he want to do that? You would have to ask him.

I know if I had a visa problem the first thing I would tell people is where it occurred. He has neglected to do this although asked by a number of posters and moderators to do so.

Another poster in this thread said that a blood test was required to do a 90 day address report. Wouldn't you want to know, at what immigration office that occurred? It's just common sense to include where you had problems that are new and different and that no one has experienced before.

Edited November 29, 2014 by thailiketoo

[casualbiker]

I do love this bit from the immigration officer " He told me 6 month is enough to read and write "

I'm sure he learned to read and write English within 6 month. Jeeze there are Thai students at M1 level that can't read and write Thai sufficiently!

[smedly]

Jonny, how old are you and how long have you been staying in Thailand

The reason I'm asking is that although you have been scrutinised with an ED Visa it could be your whole profile over years that has contributed to this seemingly unjustified action

[mrtoad]

Just because you have a visa , you can still be refused entry. I don't understand why some people still try to argue the point. Anyone, when travelling between countries will always have a risk that they could be refused entry - however small.

[skiller]

I think the guy is half true, there is a back site of the story

Maybe he is running an online pharmacy (registered or not registered). Most of them are trading with Viagra, etc. which is ilegal in Europe. I am guessing he is wanted in France. That´s why he had no option to fly to another country.

He posted, " I have a fully loaded Mastercard and an ATM card from Kasikorn bank", it would be easy to use the next ATM at the airport to get 20k Baht for showing to the officer.

It is just a guess.