Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[thailandchilli]

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.

I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

Then its time to rumble:

Defense witness hearings days have been set as 1st-2nd Sept and 22nd-25th Sept.

Extra date added for defense witness Dr Pornthip on the 11th Sept

So it's just to bad if the prosecution case and witnesses have not all been heard??

I guess so Nigeone, it will be a case of the best witnesses being used and those who are surplus disappearing much like a lot of the evidence in the case.

[Darkknight666]

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

I suggest you read my previous posts before assuming that I profess to knowing everything, while your at it read what the FCO has said on the case, oh and the UK police, Amnesty International and Reprieve to name but a few............I'll stick with that side of the fence thank you

If Reprieve and Amnesty Know so much why were they trying to find out what evidence the UK had given to Thai authorities ?

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

If they are up in arms why is there only one news clipping on there website which goes back to march ?

It seems to me reprieve are more concerned on the sharing of information not that the B2 have been used as scapegoats.

You must not Unnastand NGO.. Like most everything else you're confused again, Tony.

[Thesticle]

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.
I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

Then its time to rumble:

Defense witness hearings days have been set as 1st-2nd Sept and 22nd-25th Sept.
Extra date added for defense witness Dr Pornthip on the 11th Sept

So it's just to bad if the prosecution case and witnesses have not all been heard??

I guess so Nigeone, it will be a case of the best witnesses being used and those who are surplus disappearing much like a lot of the evidence in the case.

It could be that the prosecution never had the intention to call all the witnesses and was trying to bankrupt the defense by making tons of paperwork for them. Going through all the depositions and evidence cost money for the defense and it was known that they were not flush with cash. Its a cynical view but I wouldn't put it passed them.

[Nigeone]

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

You could be right but we will never know but from what we've seen up to now any prosecutor in any other country would have thrown it out a 4th time.
I have asked this a few times and not had a answer. The prosecution is I don't feel are going to be anyway close to presenting all there case and witness etc. what happens then? There's a schedule and is it just too bad and move on to the defense? If so you would think that you'd get your best evidence and witnesses in first. If they have done well I'm sorry they have no case. Anyone answer this please? . What's going to happen at the end of prosecutions block?

Then its time to rumble:

Defense witness hearings days have been set as 1st-2nd Sept and 22nd-25th Sept.
Extra date added for defense witness Dr Pornthip on the 11th Sept

So it's just to bad if the prosecution case and witnesses have not all been heard??

I guess so Nigeone, it will be a case of the best witnesses being used and those who are surplus disappearing much like a lot of the evidence in the case.

It could be that the prosecution never had the intention to call all the witnesses and was trying to bankrupt the defense by making tons of paperwork for them. Going through all the depositions and evidence cost money for the defense and it was known that they were not flush with cash. Its a cynical view but I wouldn't put it passed them.

Yes maybe but it's been my view that if the alleged amount of witness was 60 plus they were never going to be heard with the time available. Not even close and that's what's happened. So if this has been the best they have God help them !

[IslandLover]

It's been pointed out by IslandLife that there are two young Burmese men named Muang Muang related to this case. One is a DJ at AC bar who says he had an interaction with Nomsod at AC bar on the night of the murder. He also says David was peripherally involved with that interaction. Apparently, he split to Burma 2 days after the crime. We can call him MMAC (Muang Muang AC).

The other was the 3rd Burmese who was rounded up by cops. We've all seen his photo. He bought cigs at the convenience store 5 hours before the crime. He was let go as a suspect by cops because he couldn't be cowered in to signing a false confession. Cops were annoyed by that because MMB3 (Muang Muang of the Burmese 3) resembled Running Man more than either of the B2 (though much less so than Nomsod). I think MMB3 owns the motorbike. He will probably be a witness for the defense, because he will attest that when he returned back to the shack he shares with the B2, they were both asleep. Sleeping isn't something a person does after committing a heinous crime minutes earlier. Note: try as they might, cops couldn't find any blood evidence at the B2's shack. If they were guilty, there would likely be blood evidence all over the place; clothes, shoes, bodies, floor, bathroom, etc. Even serious cleaning wouldn't get rid of it all.

Boomer, your borderline dyslexia is showing again. Shall we shear a bear?

[Darkknight666]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

You are easily the worst deflector in this thread. Tinfoiler? Who are you, Sarah Palin?.

Like I said before, Thing about conspiracy theorists is... They're usually the minority. And hey, what'dya know... You're in the minority. Dude, add something besides "tinfoiler" and some random story about one clearly sick individual in an unrelated UK tabloid story.. (The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

The rational here are seeking justice for David and Hannah... Do the same or fly a kite.

(The Star? I'm American and I know that rag is garbage, lol)

Yes, it's akin to the National Enquirer

I agree its garbage more like fox though than the national enquirer

Uhh, you cited the star.... and Fox News and The National Enquirer are exactly the same as "The Star"... Or for you simple folk... Each is an untrustworthy news source at best... Wait, sorry, you mentioned the Star, why again?

[balo]

@ GB

No I am not flaming, just stating facts.

So far as your unwarranted comments go, please do not get into an intellectual war with me, you are not even equipped for the initial skirmish.

Lets stay on topic, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered, even as a new poster you should have sussed that by now.

Thats right, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered , but on this forum it is also about to have a personal opinion about what happened that night , and attacking other posters personally just because they have a different view on this than you is not the correct way to do it .

So stay on topic even if you do not agree with "the other side" .

Edited August 3, 2015 by metisdead
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[smedly]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

along with all the finger prints found or were the phones wiped clean just like the hoe

[Darkknight666]

@ GB

No I am not flaming, just stating facts.

So far as your unwarranted comments go, please do not get into an intellectual war with me, you are not even equipped for the initial skirmish.

Lets stay on topic, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered, even as a new poster you should have sussed that by now.

Thats right, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered , but on this forum it is also about to have a personal opinion about what happened that night , and attacking other posters personally just because they have a different view on this than you is not the correct way to do it .

So stay on topic even if you do not agree with "the other side" .

Most here believe Ko Tao headmans family to be involved...

You have a comment of that or just more deflection?

NS alibi has been shot to Shyyte more ways than one... What's you take in those lies?

"Other side" you mean, those who want justice no matter who is guilty? Yes, that's most people here. We don't feel safe with our kids on Ko Tao alone until the REAL monsters are caught. You keep deflecting... Guy.

[Darkknight666]

I don't think NS could defeat David even with a knife. Too scrawny and weak. It's possible this guy could have ... His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now. This guy should be at the least investigated. I realize that would take RTP who want justice. It's all a dream now.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002317089934&fref=pb&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php&_rdr#

His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now.

Perhaps he knows he's still in the frame ...

Wouldn't be surprised to see his page go down or stay private forever to outsiders. I think he is more likely than almost anyone else to be part of this. Maybe even antagonist knowing of his prior allegations. I wouldn't care if it were my own blood guilty of this... I'd still want to see them swing. "people" who commit this kind of crime don't deserve anything.

[Lancashireman]

loon,

Gambling is illegal in Thailand!

Cop out... Haha so is prostitution but it all goes on. Put your money where your mouth is!

You supporters of the headman and police are going backwards and forwards trying to confuse over quotes and such. You know what, I don't get involved when that goes on as there's enough people on here who are really up to speed to argue against you but I sure know what I've seen regarding pictures and proceedings and will say it again. After two court blocks where the Prosecution had the floor to prove there case they have managed absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest the B2 are involved never mind guilty of the crimes.

That is a fact, not opinions or speculation but what has been seen and said. You can confuse all you want but the facts are there to see. Zilch ! Must try harder if it was a school report. A disgrace if we are being honest !

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

Taxi for Mr Goldbuggy and chums, back to La-la Land. They simply play games of claim-counter claim. Reading back over a number of 'pro-RTPers' posts, they make more errors than the officials themselves. Seemingly their only offerings are silence or twists on their own words...good fun reading though...

[fish fingers]

Do you think any posters here are internet trolling for Koh Tao interests?

[loonodingle]

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

Metropolitan police says there's confusion & inconsistencies in Koh Tao case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMdSXPNCZA

[loonodingle]

I don't think NS could defeat David even with a knife. Too scrawny and weak. It's possible this guy could have ... His Facebook went from open to all accept 2014 to totally private now. This guy should be at the least investigated. I realize that would take RTP who want justice. It's all a dream now.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002317089934&fref=pb&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile.php&_rdr#

Thai's fight in packs surely you know this.?? This would have been a pack of men who committed this crime not a single person IMHO

Agree whole heartedly, it's why I said both are likely involved. It's my opinion that there were more than 3 attackers that night. Some were muscle, some were power. The muscle got David I believe, for his wounds... They dispatched David and destroyed Hannah (sorry Hannah, RIP). This was much more than a rape as RTP claim.. It was a hate filled rape that ended in murder. David died for being brave enough to see what was happening.

Mon was by his own admission in the area at the time.. Yet heard or did nothing. Accept, threaten someone he thought would make a weak target for taking the wrap. No, my friends, the events following David and Hannah's death point undeniably to someone of influence, maybe someone connected to influence. At any rate, the B2 could not be the only people involved or they would have been arrested from the start.

No, these boys are goats. The world sees that... Aside from maybe 10 ppl max on Thaivisa.

Let me remind you Warot's "fan page" has 1000 "likes". Guess how many Koh Samui headman son has.... 1000? lmao

Don't forget Hannah had a Blonde hair in one of her hands.

[loonodingle]

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

If they are up in arms why is there only one news clipping on there website which goes back to march ?

It seems to me reprieve are more concerned on the sharing of information not that the B2 have been used as scapegoats.

Actually Zoe Bedford the Case worker has worked tirelessly on this case. Just because its not splattered all over the place it doesn't mean they have been canvassing for attention. They have uncovered a lot of information in unison with the solicitors Leigh Day http://www.leighday.co.uk. and some concern citizens.

[GOLDBUGGY]

"that an unnamed Myanmar friend who got the phone from the suspects told police he destroyed it, before putting it in a plastic bag and discarding it at the back of his home."

Can you spot what is wrong with that statement?

Pol Maj-General Suwat Jaengyordsuk said

Given the RTP behavior in the case to date, any statement that has the words Police and said in it, is highly dubious and can most likely be regarded as false or a fabrication.

No surprise that the "Myanmar friend" is unnamed eh?

Just a question, but when are you going to add something meaningful instead of attacking anyone who does not believe that every Cop in Thailand is Corrupt?

I will answer for him. if I may be so bold.

It will probably happen a few minutes after you do.

Here is a question: Why is the Myanamar friend 'unnamed? Did they forget his name?

Well actually Dennis, don't answer for me. You don't strike me who is qualified to answer for anyone here.

Because if you had any knowledge about this at all you would know it is a very common practice around the world for the Police not to let the public know who the witnesses are. They try not to give that information out until the Trial.

Muang name slipped out as he was originally arrest. So did this witness, and I know who he is said to be, and so would you if you followed the case.

[loonodingle]

Police 'Never Checked' CCTV After Britons Killed

There are gasps in court as judges hear of a series of apparent blunders in the hours after the two Britons were found dead.

It is alleged Ms Witheridge had been raped, and Mr Miller had been left to drown in the sea with severe head wounds.

He said his inquiry had not investigated rumours of an altercation between Ms Witheridge and the son of the Koh Tao headman, a local politician, in the early hours of 15 September.

Neither he nor his officers interviewed the headman's son, who is nicknamed Dodo, who was captured on CCTV in Bangkok later that morning.

He said he did not have the results of DNA samples taken from Dodo, and had not received a report from Bangkok of an interview with the youth.

http://news.sky.com/story/1523975/police-never-checked-cctv-after-britons-killed

[GOLDBUGGY]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

I don't, but as usual you conveniently take my quotes out of context as I was responding to the fact that GB said it had not been presented yet, please pay attention or stop being so dishonest. I expect you to pull him up about that one now eh?

G.B. said

Why don't you go back and try to find these 2 Mobile Phones of David's that don't exist, or the evidence about this mobile phone thrown out of court, which never happened as it hasn't been presented yet. At least then you showed small signs of hope and some logic.

That will teach you for believing me!

Hasn't everyone told you yet my word has zero credibility?

[GOLDBUGGY]

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

How do you know it has not been presented as evidence?

Chilli they didn't have to bring the item into court. They had the details pics etc as I explained. As far as reference to a phone on the beach, they mean the phone the B2 are claimed to have found from David and taken back to their room. Its not a separate phone.

Under cross examination the defence asked the officer have you ever checked to confirm it is David's phone as you have suggested. He said no we haven't. So its irrelevant., they have offered no evidence to prove its David's its just they said it is.

Yes thats what I was assuming thanks

Maybe the witness testimony as to how they got this mobile phone might be the time to prove who it belongs to. Also maybe they can't. Do know!

[saminoz]

So you point is what?

Its funny how the original RTP fanatics have gone from having half decent arguments/cases, to spreading out right lies.

As said before repeat something often enough someone might believe it. When that someone is GB oh dear.

Why don't you go back and try to find these 2 Mobile Phones of David's that don't exist, or the evidence about this mobile phone thrown out of court, which never happened as it hasn't been presented yet. At least then you showed small signs of hope and some logic. .

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

Given the general level of intelligence in the RTP, and their rush to get this embarrassment out of the way, I think they opted for the "10 items only" strategy with their supermarket trolley!

[GOLDBUGGY]

As long as the code of secrecy is in effect rendering witnesses too scared to come forward, Yes pretty much.

There are living humans today who know what happened... They just can't/won't talk. Which I find funny because what kind of threat would they be under from two Burmese lads?

Like, why is everyone so crap scared they can't speak? Burmese mafia on KT? Lmao.

We all know who runs the cops and crooks on KT.

Yes this fear is a key indicator that something is seriously wrong.

Yes I agree. Can the defenders of the RTP please answer this question if nothing else. Why would the whole Island be afraid to come forward to say who did it and why would the translators be leant on for two disposable Burmese. Also the Thai media be gagged and the reactment scene be met with silence from the crowds present !!. I have asked this question 3 times you guys and STILL you have not answered. I await and will not go away !

Well, the answer is quite simple. They don't know who did it anymore than you know for sure.

In fact they were all shocked when they first heard the news. Although the way some people talk, and I do not include you, one would think that on the night of the murders they set up bleachers and sold tickets.

It is an easy excuse to say they are all afraid to talk, but the reality of it all is they don't have anything meaningful to say that hasn't been said already. I would think they above anyone else want this case to be solved and go away and to get back all the tourist they may have lost and to a normal life.

[GOLDBUGGY]

You hit on something here that is telling, why has the prosecutions case been so abysmal? We know that the case was sent back several times by the prosecution and was declared by someone to be the perfect case. So far it's been far from that it's been weak. I really don't buy into the theory that the police are just stupid , far more likely they realize that they've been caught with their pants down and now it's a question of damage limitation. The Thai police are used to acting with impunity and usually what they say goes. This is new territory for them actually having to justify their work. It may be the case that they have realized that if they continue with their game plan they will be rumbled further down the road. The more we say now the more we will have to explain later, hence answers like " I don't know" " I didn't think it was relevant ". The prosecution have been on the back foot and their witnesses really haven't been forthcoming with evidence that would seem enough to convict. I have a hunch that we are in for some interesting surprises when the defense takes the stand.

I posted this reply earlier in this thread. Still applies and is my thoughts on what you say !

No I don't believe the prosecutors are trying to lose the case. They are just in a hole and have been dealt a impossible hand of cards and are not sure what to do. Do we quit before we start ? No, the PM said its the perfect case! Do we quit after day 3 . Maybe the heat will die down and everyone will move on. No! It hasn't !

Do we hope something's coming out of the woodwork to help us? No ! It's not ! Do we pack up now then ? No ! We will lose too much face! Help what do we do now. I know lets just stay with it and play the dum card! Oh okay good idea !! Over to you defense !!

I personally don't think the prosecutors wanted to take this case on in the first place, having sent the case files back to the RTP 3 times before accepting it and not opposing bail for the B2

I said at the time the case was accepted, it was because it was getting close to having to let the accused go. They have and have never had anything to tie the accused to the crime. Only a monkey would accept the prosecution had a case. No sane person would disagree with me.

Now see how many insane people frequent T.V.

The Opera isn't over until the Fat Lady Sings!

[GOLDBUGGY]

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

Metropolitan police says there's confusion & inconsistencies in Koh Tao case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMdSXPNCZA

Yeah! That is why they sent a Task Force here 10 months ago.

[GOLDBUGGY]

@ GB

No I am not flaming, just stating facts.

So far as your unwarranted comments go, please do not get into an intellectual war with me, you are not even equipped for the initial skirmish.

Lets stay on topic, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered, even as a new poster you should have sussed that by now.

Thats right, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered , but on this forum it is also about to have a personal opinion about what happened that night , and attacking other posters personally just because they have a different view on this than you is not the correct way to do it .

So stay on topic even if you do not agree with "the other side" .

Most here believe Ko Tao headmans family to be involved...

You have a comment of that or just more deflection?

NS alibi has been shot to Shyyte more ways than one... What's you take in those lies?

"Other side" you mean, those who want justice no matter who is guilty? Yes, that's most people here. We don't feel safe with our kids on Ko Tao alone until the REAL monsters are caught. You keep deflecting... Guy.

So now are you claiming you live on Kao Tao? Or was "We: meant to be "They"?

[GOLDBUGGY]

@ GB

No I am not flaming, just stating facts.

So far as your unwarranted comments go, please do not get into an intellectual war with me, you are not even equipped for the initial skirmish.

Lets stay on topic, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered, even as a new poster you should have sussed that by now.

Thats right, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered , but on this forum it is also about to have a personal opinion about what happened that night , and attacking other posters personally just because they have a different view on this than you is not the correct way to do it .

So stay on topic even if you do not agree with "the other side" .

Most here believe Ko Tao headmans family to be involved...

You have a comment of that or just more deflection?

NS alibi has been shot to Shyyte more ways than one... What's you take in those lies?

"Other side" you mean, those who want justice no matter who is guilty? Yes, that's most people here. We don't feel safe with our kids on Ko Tao alone until the REAL monsters are caught. You keep deflecting... Guy.

This is not an Election where the most votes wins!

It is about evidence! If you and all your supporters do not have any evidence to link who you are constantly accusing, and his family, then you have nothing. Zero! Dippity Do-da! Zilch! Nil! Zip! Nada! Nowt! Diddly Squat!

[fritzzz25]

i would be careful what claims you tinfoilers make.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/456749/Conspiracy-theorist-claimed-murder-Lee-Rigby-hoax-faked-harassment-trial

A bit like this guy who thinks the british government are giving misleading information to the victims family.

http://thailandjustice.com/change-org-update-on-koh-tao-by-christopher-harkins/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tinfoil_hat

Perhaps you better brush up on this article rather than promoting your own conspiracy to stop Justice

Gaping holes in the investigation into the murders of British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller in Thailand have forced a judge to doubt it will ever reach a ‘conclusive outcome’.

The series of police blunders in the investigation against Burmese men Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo has stunned the court on Koh Samui, in the Gulf of Thailand.

The bodies of Miss Witheridge, 23, and Mr Miller, 24, were discovered in September last year, on Koh Tao Sairee Beach.

But failures to investigate vital evidence in the case is putting the trial in jeopardy.

Investigating officer Cherdpong Chiewpreecha revealed the shocking failures of the investigation when he appeared in court today.

The staggering blunders include:

Failing to confirm whether the mobile phone and SIM card found on the beach belonged to Mr Miller

Failing to sufficiently explain apparent discrepancies between the clothing of potential suspects, whose images were caught on CCTV

Failing to take into account body measurements of potential suspects when examining CCTV footage

Not being present during the collection of crucial DNA evidence, despite being the investigating officer in the case. Colonel Chiewpreecha admitted he had no idea how the DNA was taken and did not know whether the samples had been sent to Singapore for testing.

What’s more, Colonel Chiewpreecha did not know the whereabouts of a green towel that was found on Hannnah’s body, and claimed that it was not relevant as he believed it was placed on Hannah’s body after it had been discovered.

The officer said he did not know whether he would have expected the clothes of the suspects to be covered in blood after the violent attack.

He told the court that he did not know who the garden hoe that police had previously suggested was used to kill the pair belonged to.

He had to be reminded by the court that a worker from a nearby resort had claimed the hoe, and said it was he who had found it on the beach.

The officer did also not know who had reported the discovery of the bodies, because the police had not logged the name of the caller.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173235/Catalogue-police-blunders-including-failure-investigate-evidence-chase-suspects-revealed-court-judge-doubts-case-conclusive-outcome.html

The difference between me and you is I don't think I know it all ! I don't think I know more that the british government and the victims family but you do.

Just because the police didn't do everything by the book doesn't make the B2 innocent.

Your case is built on nothing more than grainy cctv images and a rumor started by someone convicted of downloading kiddie porn.

But if you think you have a good enough case I can give you directions to the Samui Prosecution building, its on the ring road in na mueang opposite the kawasaki dealership.

I think you meant "Just because the police didn't do ANYTHING by the book......"

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Do you think any posters here are internet trolling for Koh Tao interests?

well we know one of them works for a dive shop with ties to the headman......

[fritzzz25]

This has been discussed 100 times before but just for you again...........................

National NGO's are up in arms over this case, including reprieve and amnesty, why? They do not need to have evidence as they can see with their own eyes. They have called for independent investigations into various aspects of the case.

The UK police has already made a damning statement from the police that were here in Thailand, you can find that link in this thread.

The UK police IF they have given any info to Thai authorities then this would go against their normal procedures because of the possible death penalty. Hence the NGO's enquiring with them

Metropolitan police says there's confusion & inconsistencies in Koh Tao case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMdSXPNCZA

Yeah! That is why they sent a Task Force here 10 months ago.

Task Force? How many were in this "Task Force"? what investigations did they conduct? What evidence did they gather for the prosecution?

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@ GB

No I am not flaming, just stating facts.

So far as your unwarranted comments go, please do not get into an intellectual war with me, you are not even equipped for the initial skirmish.

Lets stay on topic, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered, even as a new poster you should have sussed that by now.

Thats right, its about 2 people who were brutally murdered , but on this forum it is also about to have a personal opinion about what happened that night , and attacking other posters personally just because they have a different view on this than you is not the correct way to do it .

So stay on topic even if you do not agree with "the other side" .

Most here believe Ko Tao headmans family to be involved...

You have a comment of that or just more deflection?

NS alibi has been shot to Shyyte more ways than one... What's you take in those lies?

"Other side" you mean, those who want justice no matter who is guilty? Yes, that's most people here. We don't feel safe with our kids on Ko Tao alone until the REAL monsters are caught. You keep deflecting... Guy.

This is not an Election where the most votes wins!

It is about evidence! If you and all your supporters do not have any evidence to link who you are constantly accusing, and his family, then you have nothing. Zero! Dippity Do-da! Zilch! Nil! Zip! Nada! Nowt! Diddly Squat!

and you do of course know why there is no viable verifiable evidence against those particular original suspects, because the police suddenly halted that line of enquiry and the man in charge was equally suddenly removed, if I was defence I'd be calling him as a witness

and remember there is still no verifiable evidence against either of the accused, in fact I have yet to see any evidence presented to court that remotely implicates them as suspects, playing a guitar on the beach which they often did doesn't cut it and police refusing to show cctv of them leaving on the motorbike and the time is in fact hiding critical evidence. Oh and the phone or phones, well all of that is rather vague and no fingerprints taken either it seems, not to mention the washed down hoe, the running man cctv which is 100% neither of the accused

you honestly wonder why everyone following this case (bar about 3 "humpy" people) thinks it's a fit up - for me (and I have experience of such matters) it is blindingly obvious and should also be to anyone with an intellect greater than a "camel"

and for those that have the pictures of the bouncer from AC bar, did he wear the shark tooth ring on his left or right hand, I seem to remember left

[StealthEnergiser]

So you point is what?

Why don't you go back and try to find these 2 Mobile Phones of David's that don't exist, or the evidence about this mobile phone thrown out of court, which never happened as it hasn't been presented yet. At least then you showed small signs of hope and some logic. .

Have to say I find it strange that the phone has not been presented as evidence already seeing as the investigating officer has already answered questions on it, maybe they forgot to put it in the trolley?

They better be quick though as the prosecution is now two thirds of the way through their presentation, they've only 3 more days left to reveal any further evidence and witnesses before the defense then gets to have its turn!

The phone was part of the trial pack. It will/did include all details and pictures of the phone front back and sides along with the IMEI and sim number etc. They dont need the physical item I don't think.However the RTP agreed they hadn't followed it up to see who it belonged to. Lots of phones get stolen or lost and some maybe even handed into the police that they put into a plastic awaiting the owner to contact the Polee perhaps.

Not providing full details of the phones is another piece of poor investigation or cover up , it is very possible that the smashed up belonged to one of the real killers that's why it was probably smashed up and dumped.