Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[frank83628]

Hi all,

Can I add to the conversation as I have had my clip taken down that in the video it clearly states that Mon says that Sean McAnna went into the Lotus Bar with blood on his face and body around the time David and Hannah died. This is the same man with similar wounds to David. The same man who fled the island. The same man that was so terrified of what was happening he contacted the embassy and sky news to save his hide. You can judge what you will from this but his character is flawed. He has been convicted for a heinous crime that involves underage children, so he has shown he is a filthy piece of trash already.

Why did they let him leave the island??

Any ideas anyone. That is open to All inc the doubters

Ps. if anyone can help with the subtitles addition I would appreciate it so I can get it up and it will stay up. (you know what I mean..ha ha )

i have had the misfortune to meet sean mc anna and what an attention seeking <deleted> i thought he was!!

he was on KT about 2 years ago, he had long hair then and this is when most of the photos of him are from... he was always drunk and walked around attempting to look like jack sparrow….i had met him and that was enough, but would always hear other friends that met him say similar things.

he returned this time in septemebr i think, i dont know when but i knew he was around, anytime he was within earshot all you could hear was a stream of BS coming from him, normally at people that hadn't been around too long so no idea the stuff he was claiming wasn't true.

i personlally dont think he knew david as well as he made out when he wrote on his FB page, maybe they had a passing meeting once or just friends because they attended the same uni…

i was told about his post and after reading i immediately called bullsh@t….what i read was pure attention seeking especially judging by the utter crap i heard him waffling to others…i witnessed him in a beach bar a day or so after the murders walking around where he'd spend 10 minute talking about what had happened to anyone he encountered whether they were talking about it or not, he got a frosty reception from our table and moved on.

i never saw him without a whisky in his hand or sober and think that he, in his drunk state he didn't really think what he was doing, when he wrote on his FB that he needed 'help' as he said 'the mafia are trying to kill me' when he said they mon and the cop had 'chased' him,

it was his drunk FB post that brought the whole 'mafia' thing into this and of course the press , lacking in any fact or information from the murders jumped straight onto it in desperation for a story.

the next day it was sky news that contacted him, took him to 'safety' and took him off the island and possibly escaped the crime scene!!

he clearly had a reality check when he sobered up and changed what he had written and changed his story, i have not read this just been told about it.

personally i think the guys a dick and full of shit, thats just my opinion on him after a few encounters.

the press all ran with his story without any verification or even checking him out…and as it turns out he'd been convicted for some child porn photos or something so not an angel by any means and his conviction was also of a sexual nature!!

as I've said already i thought he was full of shit, but if he was involved we will never know thanks to sky news,

[smedly]

I would be interested to know if the clothes that were stolen from Win on the beach were described in court today. The top that Maung was wearing in the CCTV stills appeared to be the one that Win was wearing on the motorbike. So I'm wondering if the black top was the one that was supposedly stolen from the beach that Maung seemed to be wearing later on. unfortunately I cannot find a pic of Maung wearing it with a timestamp on but I believe other posters may have one. As often happens, I am not being given an option on here to attach files so will post separately.

You're concerned about details which a farang investigation/court would delve into. As we know, this drama is playing out in Thailand, and there are a plethora of details (which could be crucial) which won't be addressed. It would be like if you bring your car in to a Thai mechanic and start mentioning all sorts of problems (bald tires, brakes not working, clutch slipping, etc.). The mechanic reaches in, turns the key, starts the car and says, "see, no problem. Car can go. You ok now." Actually, to more accurately make the analogy with the trial proceedings, the mechanic (prosecution) would find a cig butt on the floor of the car and claim that's the cause of your problem.

ok so lets be clear about this

Nomsod in not on trial, the defense team are not police or prosecutors so Nomsod, Mon, Shark tooth guy or anyone else for that matter will be in this court room unless they have direct witness input.

If however someone uncovers undeniable ground breaking provable evidence that implicates them or anyone else then it would be reported to the police and it would be their duty to follow it up and investigate

That last statement is one of the funniest I have read in days. If someone uncovers evidence of Numnuts (Nomsod) involvement, it will be reported to the police, and it would be their duty to follow it up! Hilarious. His family is above the law. Why don't some people realize this yet? It will be their sworn duty to not follow it up! It will be their sworn duty to protect his family. It already happened. With a net worth in excess of $500,000,000US, that vermin family is absolutely and completely above any and every law in the land. That includes both the local police, the feds, and the army. Many seem to be in denial about this little factoid.

it wasn't meant to be hilarious as there is nothing funny about any of these proceedings but you did get my very obvious point without me actually saying it, I am pleased although you seem to be the only one that had to spell it out

[Richard Hall]

If it supports the narrative of the prosecution then why didnt they call him as a witness? Or is that just any indication of the incompetence.

Because the trial isn't over yet?

The trial of Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo commences at Koh Samui Court on 8th July 2015 and will last for 18 days (6 x 3 day sessions) over 3 months. A verdict is expected in Oct 2015.

Source: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/justice-koh-tao-murder-case#/story

The prosecution has finished its case, all they can offer now is cross examination of the defense witnesses

you know what is really funny about that - will they be using their own interpreter (the roti seller) to keep them informed of what is being said - he was good enough for their so called confessions wasn't he ?????

That might be really funny indeed but it is very unlikely that the court would allow that.

In comparison to forums and social networks a court is not a monkey house. Not even in Thailand.

[KunMatt]

Response i expected, yes there is viable evidence he was is in Bangkok, you seen it, i seen it, the B2 Brigade seen it. I will give you a 24hr Challenge, show me he was not in Bangkok.... i will monitor your progress and remind you. Prediction, you will deflect the challenge, you will run scared and post some illogical words to substantiate why you cannot do this.. clock is ticking

Oh Dear Harry O... I don't need to show you anything. Your clever but I'm better... I don't need to show you or anybody anything as anything that is available to produced is hearsay or possibly fabricated. You show me any evidence that couldn't be challenged and I'll listen.. And will throw it back at you. My clock is ticking on you. Your time is running out in so many ways. And don't bother getting back to me as I won't reply. I'll watch you though as I have been doing and your responses are getting desperate aren't they ! And just for the last time read my post again instead of running off one of your rehearsed answers. Your challenge should you wish to accept. Show me any !! evidence that can't be challenged !! Good luck with that one. And as I said I won't be feeding you be sure of that. I value the input from the upstanding members in here more than I would ever do yours.

Let's see.

There was CCTV footage earlier which, while not clear enough to be completely verified and substantiated, led one of the TOP Police investigators in the country to publicly proclaim that it was NS. However, possibly due to the draconian defamation laws of Thailand, this top police had to withdraw his statement. But hang on, he didn't actually withdraw his statement. All he did was say that there was "evidence" to prove that NS was in Bkk on the morning of the murders. He never actually said that he was mistaken in identifying the suspect in the first instance.

So what does the "evidence" actually proof? That NS was seen walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am? This merely proves (assuming the cctv footage was not doctored) that he was walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am. It does not prove that he was not on KT at say, 2 am earlier that day. It is not beyond the realms of possibility to travel from KT to Bkk in 5 hours or so, maybe less.

All this is old news to those of us that has been following the thread. But some newbies who has only recently joined TV might not be quite up to speed yet

If true then his alibi shows that he was in Bangkok many hours after the crime. Would any other investigation accept an alibi well after the incident?

If it was me I would be able to provide evidence of where I was the whole weekend or at least on Sunday night before the crime, but no for some reason a sketchy edited CCTV video is produced many weeks later maybe showing him in Bangkok later in the day, and that's enough apparently.

[thailandchilli]

The prosecution has finished its case, all they can offer now is cross examination of the defense witnesses

you know what is really funny about that - will they be using their own interpreter (the roti seller) to keep them informed of what is being said - he was good enough for their so called confessions wasn't he ?????

That might be really funny indeed but it is very unlikely that the court would allow that.

In comparison to forums and social networks a court is not a monkey house. Not even in Thailand.

Whats that, please repeat????

The Kafka-esque trial delved further into the absurd yesterday when the court translator called by the prosecution was found to not only be a key prosecution witness but also one of those accused of torturing the defendants, who could face the death penalty if convicted. http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/15433-mistakes-continue-to-mount-at-koh-tao-murder-trial.html

[thailandchilli]

i have had the misfortune to meet sean mc anna and what an attention seeking <deleted> i thought he was!!

he was on KT about 2 years ago, he had long hair then and this is when most of the photos of him are from... he was always drunk and walked around attempting to look like jack sparrow….i had met him and that was enough, but would always hear other friends that met him say similar things.

he returned this time in septemebr i think, i dont know when but i knew he was around, anytime he was within earshot all you could hear was a stream of BS coming from him, normally at people that hadn't been around too long so no idea the stuff he was claiming wasn't true.

i personlally dont think he knew david as well as he made out when he wrote on his FB page, maybe they had a passing meeting once or just friends because they attended the same uni…

i was told about his post and after reading i immediately called bullsh@t….what i read was pure attention seeking especially judging by the utter crap i heard him waffling to others…i witnessed him in a beach bar a day or so after the murders walking around where he'd spend 10 minute talking about what had happened to anyone he encountered whether they were talking about it or not, he got a frosty reception from our table and moved on.

i never saw him without a whisky in his hand or sober and think that he, in his drunk state he didn't really think what he was doing, when he wrote on his FB that he needed 'help' as he said 'the mafia are trying to kill me' when he said they mon and the cop had 'chased' him,

it was his drunk FB post that brought the whole 'mafia' thing into this and of course the press , lacking in any fact or information from the murders jumped straight onto it in desperation for a story.

the next day it was sky news that contacted him, took him to 'safety' and took him off the island and possibly escaped the crime scene!!

he clearly had a reality check when he sobered up and changed what he had written and changed his story, i have not read this just been told about it.

personally i think the guys a dick and full of shit, thats just my opinion on him after a few encounters.

the press all ran with his story without any verification or even checking him out…and as it turns out he'd been convicted for some child porn photos or something so not an angel by any means and his conviction was also of a sexual nature!!

as I've said already i thought he was full of shit, but if he was involved we will never know thanks to sky news,

Well said, I think you'll find thats the opinion of most reasonable people on our dear Sean

[spidermike007]

I would be interested to know if the clothes that were stolen from Win on the beach were described in court today. The top that Maung was wearing in the CCTV stills appeared to be the one that Win was wearing on the motorbike. So I'm wondering if the black top was the one that was supposedly stolen from the beach that Maung seemed to be wearing later on. unfortunately I cannot find a pic of Maung wearing it with a timestamp on but I believe other posters may have one. As often happens, I am not being given an option on here to attach files so will post separately.

You're concerned about details which a farang investigation/court would delve into. As we know, this drama is playing out in Thailand, and there are a plethora of details (which could be crucial) which won't be addressed. It would be like if you bring your car in to a Thai mechanic and start mentioning all sorts of problems (bald tires, brakes not working, clutch slipping, etc.). The mechanic reaches in, turns the key, starts the car and says, "see, no problem. Car can go. You ok now." Actually, to more accurately make the analogy with the trial proceedings, the mechanic (prosecution) would find a cig butt on the floor of the car and claim that's the cause of your problem.

ok so lets be clear about this

Nomsod in not on trial, the defense team are not police or prosecutors so Nomsod, Mon, Shark tooth guy or anyone else for that matter will be in this court room unless they have direct witness input.

If however someone uncovers undeniable ground breaking provable evidence that implicates them or anyone else then it would be reported to the police and it would be their duty to follow it up and investigate

That last statement is one of the funniest I have read in days. If someone uncovers evidence of Numnuts (Nomsod) involvement, it will be reported to the police, and it would be their duty to follow it up! Hilarious. His family is above the law. Why don't some people realize this yet? It will be their sworn duty to not follow it up! It will be their sworn duty to protect his family. It already happened. With a net worth in excess of $500,000,000US, that vermin family is absolutely and completely above any and every law in the land. That includes both the local police, the feds, and the army. Many seem to be in denial about this little factoid.

it wasn't meant to be hilarious as there is nothing funny about any of these proceedings but you did get my very obvious point without me actually saying it, I am pleased although you seem to be the only one that had to spell it out

True that. There is nothing funny about seeing those poor patsies, who are about to serve time, so that the son of a filthy rich creep, can continue his escapades against humanity, to his hearts content, all the while getting the blessings of all of the local authorities, the army, and the police, and a kindhearted wink and nod.

[fireplay]

The prosecution has finished its case, all they can offer now is cross examination of the defense witnesses

you know what is really funny about that - will they be using their own interpreter (the roti seller) to keep them informed of what is being said - he was good enough for their so called confessions wasn't he ?????

That might be really funny indeed but it is very unlikely that the court would allow that.

In comparison to forums and social networks a court is not a monkey house. Not even in Thailand.

Whats that, please repeat????

The Kafka-esque trial delved further into the absurd yesterday when the court translator called by the prosecution was found to not only be a key prosecution witness but also one of those accused of torturing the defendants, who could face the death penalty if convicted. http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/15433-mistakes-continue-to-mount-at-koh-tao-murder-trial.html

I'm a little unclear. Is the official Burmese language court translator one of those roti torture guys? I thought they couldn't read write or fluently speak thai nor the dialect of the B2. I sure hope they have a better translator to relate the defendant testimony for the judge to then verbally reiterate into his little voice recorder.

[thailandchilli]

That might be really funny indeed but it is very unlikely that the court would allow that.

In comparison to forums and social networks a court is not a monkey house. Not even in Thailand.

Whats that, please repeat????

The Kafka-esque trial delved further into the absurd yesterday when the court translator called by the prosecution was found to not only be a key prosecution witness but also one of those accused of torturing the defendants, who could face the death penalty if convicted. http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/15433-mistakes-continue-to-mount-at-koh-tao-murder-trial.html

I'm a little unclear. Is the official Burmese language court translator one of those roti torture guys? I thought they couldn't read write or fluently speak thai nor the dialect of the B2. I sure hope they have a better translator to relate the defendant testimony for the judge to then verbally reiterate into his little voice recorder.

Don't worry, it never actually happened in the end as the defense objected to him being used and so he was withdrawn and instead used as a witness for the prosecution, thats when he spilled the beans on his lack of Thai language skills and the Burmese dialect that the B2 use.

Edited September 4, 2015 by thailandchilli

[Jai Dee]

Several off-topic posts have been removed from this thread. This topic is not about Thaksin.

[oldsailor35]

Will the Defence call Nomsod to the stand just for a few questions and put him under oath to say where he was on the night of the murders.

Why would they, his whereabouts has been validated, unless you can confirm otherwise

Running Man videos. They show Nomsod. Mon tried to stifle every bit of evidence showing his nephew on the island, but those were a very busy two days and he must have missed the CCTV showing NS, or else he didn't have control of that camera, as he has control (and/or influence with owners) over nearly every other camera in that vicinity. There are likely other proofs of NS being on the island and possibly being involved with the crime, but there are concerted sustained efforts by certain parties to snuff out any proofs. Have you been paying attention?

Good evening, documented proof shows the individual you have named to be in Bangkok, therefore it is logical he cannot be in the CCTV data, As an individual you appear to have an unnatural fascination with the two persons you keep referring to. Fact, they have been cleared by the RTP, fact they are not part of the current court case, fact, the constant deliberate attempt to deflect from the current topic is not helping us members seek a rationale understanding of the case.

mmmmmm! another urgent case for spec savers here !

[balo]

I would be interested to know if the clothes that were stolen from Win on the beach were described in court today. The top that Maung was wearing in the CCTV stills appeared to be the one that Win was wearing on the motorbike. So I'm wondering if the black top was the one that was supposedly stolen from the beach that Maung seemed to be wearing later on. unfortunately I cannot find a pic of Maung wearing it with a timestamp on but I believe other posters may have one. As often happens, I am not being given an option on here to attach files so will post separately.

You're concerned about details which a farang investigation/court would delve into. As we know, this drama is playing out in Thailand, and there are a plethora of details (which could be crucial) which won't be addressed. It would be like if you bring your car in to a Thai mechanic and start mentioning all sorts of problems (bald tires, brakes not working, clutch slipping, etc.). The mechanic reaches in, turns the key, starts the car and says, "see, no problem. Car can go. You ok now." Actually, to more accurately make the analogy with the trial proceedings, the mechanic (prosecution) would find a cig butt on the floor of the car and claim that's the cause of your problem.

ok so lets be clear about this

Nomsod in not on trial, the defense team are not police or prosecutors so Nomsod, Mon, Shark tooth guy or anyone else for that matter will be in this court room unless they have direct witness input.

If however someone uncovers undeniable ground breaking provable evidence that implicates them or anyone else then it would be reported to the police and it would be their duty to follow it up and investigate

That last statement is one of the funniest I have read in days. If someone uncovers evidence of Numnuts (Nomsod) involvement, it will be reported to the police, and it would be their duty to follow it up! Hilarious. His family is above the law. Why don't some people realize this yet? It will be their sworn duty to not follow it up! It will be their sworn duty to protect his family. It already happened. With a net worth in excess of $500,000,000US, that vermin family is absolutely and completely above any and every law in the land. That includes both the local police, the feds, and the army. Many seem to be in denial about this little factoid.

Where did you read this family is worth at least 500 million USD ? If you mean baht even that would be a lot of money . I would imagine the red bull family is worth 100 times more than headmans family.

And I still think there are some good guys in RTP in Bangkok even if corruption is a part of the daily life .

It sounds like the headmans family has more power than the PM , I think you would be wrong there.

Edited September 4, 2015 by balo

[joebrown]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

[oldsailor35]

The police have ruled out a son of Koh Tao village headman as a suspect in the murder of two British tourists after he has evidence to prove he was not on the island at the time the murder occurred.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-now-rule-koh-tao-headmans-son-murder-suspect-turn-foreign-tourists-probe

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

And then along came the man with the money !

[thailandchilli]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

Harry H is on a long holiday, go to his avater and its now non clickable

[StealthEnergiser]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

I hope its the piece of hair that was in Hannah's hand with true test results.

[oldsailor35]

Response i expected, yes there is viable evidence he was is in Bangkok, you seen it, i seen it, the B2 Brigade seen it. I will give you a 24hr Challenge, show me he was not in Bangkok.... i will monitor your progress and remind you. Prediction, you will deflect the challenge, you will run scared and post some illogical words to substantiate why you cannot do this.. clock is ticking

Oh Dear Harry O... I don't need to show you anything. Your clever but I'm better... I don't need to show you or anybody anything as anything that is available to produced is hearsay or possibly fabricated. You show me any evidence that couldn't be challenged and I'll listen.. And will throw it back at you. My clock is ticking on you. Your time is running out in so many ways. And don't bother getting back to me as I won't reply. I'll watch you though as I have been doing and your responses are getting desperate aren't they ! And just for the last time read my post again instead of running off one of your rehearsed answers. Your challenge should you wish to accept. Show me any !! evidence that can't be challenged !! Good luck with that one. And as I said I won't be feeding you be sure of that. I value the input from the upstanding members in here more than I would ever do yours.

Let's see.

There was CCTV footage earlier which, while not clear enough to be completely verified and substantiated, led one of the TOP Police investigators in the country to publicly proclaim that it was NS. However, possibly due to the draconian defamation laws of Thailand, this top police had to withdraw his statement. But hang on, he didn't actually withdraw his statement. All he did was say that there was "evidence" to prove that NS was in Bkk on the morning of the murders. He never actually said that he was mistaken in identifying the suspect in the first instance.

So what does the "evidence" actually proof? That NS was seen walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am? This merely proves (assuming the cctv footage was not doctored) that he was walking out of his apartment sometime after 9 am. It does not prove that he was not on KT at say, 2 am earlier that day. It is not beyond the realms of possibility to travel from KT to Bkk in 5 hours or so, maybe less.

All this is old news to those of us that has been following the thread. But some newbies who has only recently joined TV might not be quite up to speed yet

I agree in your sentence :" it is not beyond the realms of possibility to travel from KT to BKK in 5 hours or so" . But still to this day , we have no observations of him on KT that night, except for the "running man video" which could really be another asian guy.

I have been a defender of Nomsod on this forum, . I believe he was in Bangkok within that time frame , but I am willing to accept that he had time to get to KT , still I look at it as a weak theory and I would give it 10-20% chance that he was there that night based on no observations of him there at all .

But if KT is run by a mafia family that controls everything, they could wipe out all the CCTVs and ask everyone who was on the beach or in the bars there that night to shut their mouth but I do not believe in that theory either.

So that's my personal opinion and Its ok that the majority of the posters here disagree with it.

There ya go then! Apparently just about all the CCTV's were 'out of action' And the Bangkok girlfriend of Nomsod said on her f/b that he was away from Bangkok that night.

[spidermike007]

I would be interested to know if the clothes that were stolen from Win on the beach were described in court today. The top that Maung was wearing in the CCTV stills appeared to be the one that Win was wearing on the motorbike. So I'm wondering if the black top was the one that was supposedly stolen from the beach that Maung seemed to be wearing later on. unfortunately I cannot find a pic of Maung wearing it with a timestamp on but I believe other posters may have one. As often happens, I am not being given an option on here to attach files so will post separately.

You're concerned about details which a farang investigation/court would delve into. As we know, this drama is playing out in Thailand, and there are a plethora of details (which could be crucial) which won't be addressed. It would be like if you bring your car in to a Thai mechanic and start mentioning all sorts of problems (bald tires, brakes not working, clutch slipping, etc.). The mechanic reaches in, turns the key, starts the car and says, "see, no problem. Car can go. You ok now." Actually, to more accurately make the analogy with the trial proceedings, the mechanic (prosecution) would find a cig butt on the floor of the car and claim that's the cause of your problem.

ok so lets be clear about this

Nomsod in not on trial, the defense team are not police or prosecutors so Nomsod, Mon, Shark tooth guy or anyone else for that matter will be in this court room unless they have direct witness input.

If however someone uncovers undeniable ground breaking provable evidence that implicates them or anyone else then it would be reported to the police and it would be their duty to follow it up and investigate

That last statement is one of the funniest I have read in days. If someone uncovers evidence of Numnuts (Nomsod) involvement, it will be reported to the police, and it would be their duty to follow it up! Hilarious. His family is above the law. Why don't some people realize this yet? It will be their sworn duty to not follow it up! It will be their sworn duty to protect his family. It already happened. With a net worth in excess of $500,000,000US, that vermin family is absolutely and completely above any and every law in the land. That includes both the local police, the feds, and the army. Many seem to be in denial about this little factoid.

Where did you read this family is worth at least 500 million USD ? If you mean baht even that would be a lot of money . I would imagine the red bull family is worth 100 times more than headmans family.

And I still think there are some good guys in RTP in Bangkok even if corruption is a part of the daily life .

It sounds like the headmans family has more power than the PM , I think you would be wrong there.

it is pretty commonly known, that the five families of Tao are worth hundreds of millions of dollars each. You have got understand where that money came from. The entire island is leased land. Always has been. Those five families have the lease, since the 1950's. They convinced the land department to create deeds, on leased land, and they have sold tens of thousands of rai, at incredible prices, for decades.

[Madaussie]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

I hope its the piece of hair that was in Hannah's hand with true test results.

its better than that. The DNA taken in court me thinks...why did they drop all other test requests and make the statement we can prove our case... Don't say I didn't tell you so..

[dragonballs]

they should give 3 million baht to the police officer that was there at the torture confession

[StealthEnergiser]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

I hope its the piece of hair that was in Hannah's hand with true test results.

its better than that. The DNA taken in court me thinks...why did they drop all other test requests and make the statement we can prove our case... Don't say I didn't tell you so..

Yes I have also been looking forward to the defence proving there is big DNA discrepancy but would also like to see the owner of that piece of hair.

Maybe that will happen also I am sure Dr Pornthip will not overlook anything and I read the hair was put aside so hopefully she has it.

[Madaussie]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

I hope its the piece of hair that was in Hannah's hand with true test results.

its better than that. The DNA taken in court me thinks...why did they drop all other test requests and make the statement we can prove our case... Don't say I didn't tell you so..

Yes I have also been looking forward to the defence proving there is big DNA discrepancy but would also like to see the owner of that piece of hair.

Maybe that will happen also I am sure Dr Pornthip will not overlook anything and I read the hair was put aside so hopefully she has it.

I second that but did they find the hair now? I thought they didn't have it. can you point me to the piece where they mention they have it. thx

[oldsailor35]

I am sure that i recall reading that Nomsod was seen on CCTV leaving his apartment block just after 9 am ., on his way to his college class. But he had no books or other things that a student attending class would have been expected to be carrying.

[StealthEnergiser]

Andy Hall Tweeted earlier today :-

"Defence lawyers, when questioning Dr. Porntip, surely to draw on newly acquired evidence about the Thai police investigation"

My mind is 'boggling' as to what this newly acquired evidence can be. Has the fuse now been lit to start the firework display on 11th September?

I think it's time to take a posting rest for the next week, unless of course 'Harry H' or any of his friends care to respond to my earlier post #2543!

I hope its the piece of hair that was in Hannah's hand with true test results.

its better than that. The DNA taken in court me thinks...why did they drop all other test requests and make the statement we can prove our case... Don't say I didn't tell you so..

The police pathologist who carried out the autopsy said in July that the investigation had set the evidence aside because of the inconclusive test result.

http://www.greatyarmouthmercury.co.uk/news/senior_police_officers_give_contradictory_evidence_at_hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_1_4215995

[Madaussie]

I am sure that i recall reading that Nomsod was seen on CCTV leaving his apartment block just after 9 am ., on his way to his college class. But he had no books or other things that a student attending class would have been expected to be carrying.

Lets be honest he cant remember everything he was in a rush that morning. Had a lot on his mind. Dad called him to tell him how business was ruined because 2 tourists had been brutally hacked to death a few hundred meters from their bar.

Last thing u would remember is your bag hey. In fact I am surprised he even went.

[PaPiPuPePo]

just the wounds caused by a man wearing a certain ring while he was raping a girl on koh tao long time ago.....

remind you something ?

Looks like road rash from falling off a motorcycle to me.

I think you should put the source of the picture to maintain some sanity to this thread. In all honesty..

Doesn't look like road rash to me and I've seen all kinds of it on my own and my riding buddies legs and arms over the years. The stitched-up areas wouldn't happen like that with road rash, no way.

The cuts on this girl's leg, Sean McEnna's arm, David's body= all the same weapon. Definitely.

[Madaussie]

just the wounds caused by a man wearing a certain ring while he was raping a girl on koh tao long time ago.....

remind you something ?

Looks like road rash from falling off a motorcycle to me.

I think you should put the source of the picture to maintain some sanity to this thread. In all honesty..

Doesn't look like road rash to me and I've seen all kinds of it on my own and my riding buddies legs and arms over the years. The stitched-up areas wouldn't happen like that with road rash, no way.

The cuts on this girl's leg, Sean McEnna's arm, David's body= all the same weapon. Definitely.

This was caused by sliding down the concrete of a building. Its been confirmed perhaps someone will send you the link? You will see the cuts and some are a little deeper needing stiches. she does not have stab wounds. However its alleged the person who caused her to jump from the building tried (Did?) to rape her. The fact he wears a shark tooth is irrelevant IMHO.

To easy to get carried away with the mist sometimes. I have seen this injury style before. exactly the same. I jumped in the pool in star suites sukhumvit one night messing around with a good friend and she dragged her back down the stone chips they make the edging from. she had exactly the same injury.

[Heisenberg01]

just the wounds caused by a man wearing a certain ring while he was raping a girl on koh tao long time ago.....

remind you something ?

Looks like road rash from falling off a motorcycle to me.

I think you should put the source of the picture to maintain some sanity to this thread. In all honesty..

Doesn't look like road rash to me and I've seen all kinds of it on my own and my riding buddies legs and arms over the years. The stitched-up areas wouldn't happen like that with road rash, no way.

The cuts on this girl's leg, Sean McEnna's arm, David's body= all the same weapon. Definitely.

The girl got those wounds jumping through/out of a window to escape the man in question, not from the ring.

[Darkknight666]

just the wounds caused by a man wearing a certain ring while he was raping a girl on koh tao long time ago.....

remind you something ?

Looks like road rash from falling off a motorcycle to me.

I think you should put the source of the picture to maintain some sanity to this thread. In all honesty..

Doesn't look like road rash to me and I've seen all kinds of it on my own and my riding buddies legs and arms over the years. The stitched-up areas wouldn't happen like that with road rash, no way.

The cuts on this girl's leg, Sean McEnna's arm, David's body= all the same weapon. Definitely.

The two cuts on Supanee's leg could be from that ring, they're already stitched up though so it's difficult to tell anything other than its a similar length to all of the other obvious ring injuries. Seems like the other injuries on her leg are from jumping off the balcony... Scraped on the way over a fence is my guess. Brave girl to stand up after what's happened. Sorry for the OT.

If there were ever a proper investigation Ekkachai would have been hauled in and questioned on both matters. There's photographic evidence that does have him on KT that night. Of course, the investigation was hijacked midway and now the entire case is such a mess, so much evidence never looked at or thought of. Are there Thai private investigators? This case needs a dozen.

[Dr Phil]

Seems that Tom Wood needs to be in court then to give this information first hand. 'Hannah and David went their separate ways' reads to me like Hannah and David separated but it sounds like he means they left the bar together. So Tom Wood could tell the court what bar they were in, approximate time they left and why he assumed they went to the beach. He might also be able to tell the court if he witnessed any altercation that evening/morning. This information coming from a man who only met Hannah and David that night? If that's the case then the victims friends should hopefully be able to fill in many more details about when they left, whether they were together when they left, whether there was an argument of any sort and if they did actually leave by the back door. Maybe Tom's statement will be read in court by the defence and shed some light.

I very much doubt the defense would bring that up since it supports the narrative from the prosecution, at least in terms of there not being a fight at the bar before the murders.

"Meanwhile, during the hearing yesterday afternoon Police Colonel Cherdpong Chiewpreecha said he and other officers had not investigated rumours that Miss Witheridge had been involved in an argument with a Thai youth on the night of her death.

The officer said he was aware of rumours that the university graduate had an altercation inside the AC Bar while there with friends.

But he said neither he, nor his officers, actively followed up that line of inquiry. The senior investigating officer insisted there was no evidence to suggest she was followed from the bar."

That, I presume, came up during cross examination of the witness by the defense, so it stands to reason that it is a line of attack the defense has used (or at least tried) to cast doubt on the investigation.

So The senior investigating officer insisted there was no evidence to suggest she was followed from the bar. This might actually be true.

But what about the possibility the person she had an altercation with, together with some buddies, left the bar earlier?

what about the possibility this gang headed to the ocean view, weaponizing themself with let´s say a garden hoe and a hammer from the ocean view yard?

What about the possibilty of them knowing the best spot for an ambush between AC-BAR and ocean view, waiting their some 30 meters away, smoke a cigarette while waiting and charge on Hannah and David, who were simply returning to their accomomodation?