US: Multiple deaths in school shooting in Oregon State

[lostoday]

Yet again...

Mandatory gun ownership (2 of) for every man, woman and child is the quite obvious answer.

and offcourse a few assault rifles an handgrenades

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

[MZurf]

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

No, but it sure does make it much harder.

So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people. Do you find anything in common with these two events?

Two bastards wanting to kill people. Luckily the UK one didn't have access to assault rifles in the local shopping mall.

[lostoday]

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

No, but it sure does make it much harder.

So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people. Do you find anything in common with these two events?

Two bastards wanting to kill people. Luckily the UK one didn't have access to assault rifles in the local shopping mall.

I really don't see much difference. The guy in OK made a bomb out of fertilizer and killed a couple of hundred and injured 700 and he didn't use a gun. You have to stop the nut cases. Nuts can always find a method to kill.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

Guns were as powerful as 100 years ago?

Please tell me about many sub rifles machine guns they had with their muskets ?

The answer to your last question is simple : it is easier and easier for disturbed people to get guns.. And lot of teenagers are temporarly or not.

The question the pro guns never answer to is : why so many shooting in USA and not so much in europe? Why since Australia restricted gun there was not any mass shooting?

Thompson sub machine gun invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Browning Automatic rifle invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Any other questions?

Sure please add a comparison with the guns you spoke about and how easy it was to have them, for exemple could you own one at the same time you bought tomatoes and their avaibilities on the market. Also please let me know how efficient they were, their weight... compared to the actual ones... If they were as efficient as the ones we have nowdays why did they become obsoletes?

Let me know the average time to reload a musket as well while you are at it?

[GeorgesAbitbol]

By the way Obama wanted to restrict the ownership and scan the background and psychological background before being able to buy them...the pro guns vetoed this...any good reason for this?

[Berkshire]

Yet again...

Mandatory gun ownership (2 of) for every man, woman and child is the quite obvious answer.

and offcourse a few assault rifles an handgrenades

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

[VIPinthailand]

I think God is really tired of these americans and is not blessing this country since years.

the USA is doomed by the millions of native Americans who have been killed and now spirits are haunting them. America will never find peace.

I m sorry for the parents, very sad day.

Edited October 2, 2015 by VIPinthailand

[MZurf]

By the way Obama wanted to restrict the ownership and scan the background and psychological background before being able to buy them...the pro guns vetoed this...any good reason for this?

Insanity?

[lostoday]

Guns were as powerful as 100 years ago?

Please tell me about many sub rifles machine guns they had with their muskets ?

The answer to your last question is simple : it is easier and easier for disturbed people to get guns.. And lot of teenagers are temporarly or not.

The question the pro guns never answer to is : why so many shooting in USA and not so much in europe? Why since Australia restricted gun there was not any mass shooting?

Thompson sub machine gun invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Browning Automatic rifle invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Any other questions?

Sure please add a comparison with the guns you spoke about and how easy it was to have them, for exemple could you own one at the same time you bought tomatoes and their avaibilities on the market. Also please let me know how efficient they were, their weight... compared to the actual ones... If they were as efficient as the ones we have nowdays why did they become obsoletes?

Let me know the average time to reload a musket as well while you are at it?

Back then anyone could buy a machine gun so machine gun ownership was way up. Anyone could walk into a gun store and buy a fully auto machine gun capable of 600 to 900 rounds per minute. Many hardware stores in America back in the good old days carried machine guns so anyone could buy them.

Average shooters can load and shoot a musket about 3 times a minute. The battle of Gettysburg claimed 50,000 American lives in three days many from .51 cal musket fire.

Any other questions? Colt six gun came into use around 1850. So it would be easy with two pistols to get off 12 shots in a few seconds. A Texas ranger with two carbines and pistols could get off around 26 shots from his horse in a minute or so.

Americans were just as dangerous 100 years ago and gun ownership was with far fewer restrictions than today.

Edited October 2, 2015 by lostoday

[lostoday]

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

[Chicog]

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Conversely, Hannity is almost desperate for someone to say the shooter was Muslim so that he can play the Muslim card and ignore the another-nutter-got-a-gun issue.

[lostoday]

I think God is really tired of these americans and is not blessing this country since years.

the USA is doomed by the millions of native Americans who have been killed and now spirits are haunting them. America will never find peace.

I m sorry for the parents, very sad day.

I agree with you but that's really confusing. You see Native Americans killed thousands of other Native Americans as the moved around and had wars for territory and possessions. So, are there gods up there running around haunting the people who are haunted? Or was it OK for Native Americans to kill other Native Americans?

And how is this all on topic? Is the shooter a Native American or is he working for the Native American spirits? I guess Native American would not care much for Christians. Althought the West Coast indian tribes are doing pretty good I hear. You might want to google Oregon tribal casinos.

[lostoday]

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Conversely, Hannity is almost desperate for someone to say the shooter was Muslim so that he can play the Muslim card and ignore the another-nutter-got-a-gun issue.

“At long last here is a photo of Chris Harper Mercer, the 26-year-old shooter in Oregon state. He is most certainly a Muslim.

Mercer is related to Laurel Margaret Harper and he once lived in Torrance, California.

His mySpace has Mahmoud Ali Ehsani as one of only two connections.”

GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim

Read more at http://politichicks.com/2015/10/gotnews-com-confirms-oregon-shooter-is-26-year-old-muslim/

Edited October 2, 2015 by lostoday

[notmyself]

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

Typical NRA BS.

How many mass shootings before the ban and how many after? Australia also introduced a ban... how many mass shooting before and how many after? I could go dig the information myself but no point since it is not really the issue. You could have tragic events such as this or Sandy Hook every day... no, on the hour, every hour. Nothing will change though because the life of a child is worth less than the desire to hold a gun.

[notmyself]

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Other Christians?

[lostoday]

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

Typical NRA BS.

How many mass shootings before the ban and how many after? Australia also introduced a ban... how many mass shooting before and how many after? I could go dig the information myself but no point since it is not really the issue. You could have tragic events such as this or Sandy Hook every day... no, on the hour, every hour. Nothing will change though because the life of a child is worth less than the desire to hold a gun.

When they had the Hebdo shooting in France why didn't people call for a gun ban? Is a cartoonist's life worth less than a child or student?

Edited October 2, 2015 by lostoday

[Usernames]

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Conversely, Hannity is almost desperate for someone to say the shooter was Muslim so that he can play the Muslim card and ignore the another-nutter-got-a-gun issue.

“At long last here is a photo of Chris Harper Mercer, the 26-year-old shooter in Oregon state. He is most certainly a Muslim.

Mercer is related to Laurel Margaret Harper and he once lived in Torrance, California.

His mySpace has Mahmoud Ali Ehsani as one of only two connections.”

GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim

Read more at http://politichicks.com/2015/10/gotnews-com-confirms-oregon-shooter-is-26-year-old-muslim/

Identified as a muslim? That means you can expect this story to disappear in an instant on CNN and the other mainstream US media.

[Chicog]

It seems he graduated from a school in CA for kids with "Special needs".

So probably medicated and bat shit crazy.

But of course Fox will be desperate to say this happened because he got radicalised, not because he was a nutter who was easily able to obtain firearms and ammunition.

Can't have that, can we?

Oh good, Megyn Kelly's on, can't wait to hear what she'll direct her histrionics towards.

[lostoday]

It seems he graduated from a school in CA for kids with "Special needs".

So probably medicated and bat shit crazy.

But of course Fox will be desperate to say this happened because he got radicalised, not because he was a nutter who was easily able to obtain firearms and ammunition.

Can't have that, can we?

Oh good, Megyn Kelly's on, can't wait to hear what she'll direct her histrionics towards.

British-born gunman Chris Harper-Mercer kills 9 after 'targeting Christians' in Oregon college shooting

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-born-gunman-chris-harper-6558370

[bdenner]

I haven't read all of this nor am I going to.

My only comment is directed to Obama, it was one of the best speeches I have heard him give, most ad-libbed and from the heart. He, has just about had a gut full of the right wing gun lobby and the frustrations associated with them.

[lostoday]

I haven't read all of this nor am I going to.

My only comment is directed to Obama, it was one of the best speeches I have heard him give, most ad-libbed and from the heart. He, has just about had a gut full of the right wing gun lobby and the frustrations associated with them.

Christians have been getting killed for a long time. Did the Romans blame the lions?

The young man did ask the Christians to stand up then shot the Christians right? We have not buried that fact yet have we?

I wonder how long it will take till that salient issue becomes off topic and we are forbidden to discuss the reason the students were shot?

Edited October 2, 2015 by lostoday

[FritsSikkink]

Yet again...

Mandatory gun ownership (2 of) for every man, woman and child is the quite obvious answer.

and offcourse a few assault rifles an handgrenades

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

if he didn't have a gun he couldn't shoot them

[Linky]

I haven't read all of this nor am I going to.

My only comment is directed to Obama, it was one of the best speeches I have heard him give, most ad-libbed and from the heart. He, has just about had a gut full of the right wing gun lobby and the frustrations associated with them.

Christians have been getting killed for a long time. Did the Romans blame the lions?

The young man did ask the Christians to stand up then shot the Christians right? We have not buried that fact yet have we?

What is it about the US that you feel the need to have a gun but in Thailand you dont?

Do you feel scared without a gun in Thailand?

[stevenl]

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Conversely, Hannity is almost desperate for someone to say the shooter was Muslim so that he can play the Muslim card and ignore the another-nutter-got-a-gun issue.

“At long last here is a photo of Chris Harper Mercer, the 26-year-old shooter in Oregon state. He is most certainly a Muslim.

Mercer is related to Laurel Margaret Harper and he once lived in Torrance, California.

His mySpace has Mahmoud Ali Ehsani as one of only two connections.”

GotNews.com Confirms: Oregon Shooter is 26-Year Old Muslim

Read more at http://politichicks.com/2015/10/gotnews-com-confirms-oregon-shooter-is-26-year-old-muslim/

Identified as a muslim? That means you can expect this story to disappear in an instant on CNN and the other mainstream US media.

No idea if he is muslim or not, but so far he has not been identified as one.

The only one claiming that is in the link of lostoday, where the 'identification' is based on a blog where one of his few contacts appears to be a muslim.

[lostoday]

Yet again...

Mandatory gun ownership (2 of) for every man, woman and child is the quite obvious answer.

and offcourse a few assault rifles an handgrenades

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

if he didn't have a gun he couldn't shoot them

Gun or bomb what's the difference. Are you going to ban fertilizer too?

[lostoday]

Identified as a muslim? That means you can expect this story to disappear in an instant on CNN and the other mainstream US media.

No idea if he is muslim or not, but so far he has not been identified as one.

The only one claiming that is in the link of lostoday, where the 'identification' is based on a blog where one of his few contacts appears to be a muslim.

How many groups of people go around shooting Christians today?

Chris Harper Mercer a/k/a Chris Harper-Mercer, age 26, has been identified as the mass murderer in today’s killing of 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. Was he Muslim? Well, he forced students to identify their religion, and he shot at those who said they were Christian. And his MySpace page, featuring a picture of him with a rifle, identifes only two friends, one of whom is an extremist Muslim (redundant phrase). His Facebook page is obsessed with Ahmed Mohamed, the bomb clock Muslim. And he said he liked to torture insects. Sicko. Also, he was a fan of a terrorist group that trained with a Palestinian Muslim terrorist group.

Harper Mercer’s MySpace page, which identifies him as Chris Harper-Mercer, shows that he has two friends, one of whom is Mahmoud Ali Ehsani. Ehsani, who created a classy custom MySpace URL of “dick_hard_like_a_pistol” (let’s hear it for that “Islamic modesty” they keep lecturing us about), has two photos on his MySpace page–a koran and the symbol of Islam.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/79886/chris-harper-mercer-was-ucc-mass-murderer-muslim-obsessed-w-muslims-bomb-clock-liked-to-torture-insects/

Edited October 2, 2015 by lostoday

[lostoday]

I haven't read all of this nor am I going to.

My only comment is directed to Obama, it was one of the best speeches I have heard him give, most ad-libbed and from the heart. He, has just about had a gut full of the right wing gun lobby and the frustrations associated with them.

Christians have been getting killed for a long time. Did the Romans blame the lions?

The young man did ask the Christians to stand up then shot the Christians right? We have not buried that fact yet have we?

What is it about the US that you feel the need to have a gun but in Thailand you dont?

Do you feel scared without a gun in Thailand?

Who said that? I didn't say anything about guns in Thailand that would be off topic.

[starky]

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I wanted to like your post and this graphic. I then realised there is nothing to like about it it's just incredibly sad and disturbing. Worse still it's never going to change.

[55Jay]

It seems he graduated from a school in CA for kids with "Special needs".

So probably medicated and bat shit crazy.

But of course Fox will be desperate to say this happened because he got radicalised, not because he was a nutter who was easily able to obtain firearms and ammunition.

Can't have that, can we?

Oh good, Megyn Kelly's on, can't wait to hear what she'll direct her histrionics towards.

You actually watch Fox News?

[Loptr]

4 pages of posts and as alway, and I mean ALWAYS, these threads turn into people raging about gun ownership in the US within the first 5 posts... It's like arguing that the sun does not rise in the east, it is never going to change, so why rage about it... Americans will never be disarmed and in fact gun ownership has skyrocketed under the current administration... So, if you are going to live in the USA, you need to arm yourself for self defense purposes and quit bitching about it...