Sugar is the devil

[alyx]

I was addicted to sugar for decades

I tried to stop a few times but like any addiction ( especially one which is not known/ recognised as such ), never really succeeded in quitting ( I even remember going to shopping mall sniffing brand new cake tin ? )

Unfortunately as soon as I was stressed, I was stuffing myself with all the cheap junk sweet food available everywhere 24/7 a in Bangkok.....and back to square one.

Six months ago I tried acupuncture and....one session later I was completely off the sugar.

I know , highly unusual , even according the person who treated me, who had said that a few times would be necessary ( not guaranteed ) adding that my will must have been so strong that the session had a psychological effect.

Here I am today with no desire, let alone craving, for sweet stuff, unlike in the past when I was salivating ( Pavlov's dogs experiment... 555 ) only at the thought of eating a cake

Edited October 29, 2015 by alyx

[alyx]

Of course, now, whenever I have dinner outside I make a point to decline dessert even though I feel confident but ....I guess o is like smoking , don't try , don't pay the consequences

[bartender100]

httpwww.techtimes.com/articles/73645/20150801/one-can-of-coca-cola-one-hour-what-happens-to-your-body-after-drinking-a-can-of-coke.htm

10 minutes after consumption

Drinking a can of coke is equivalent to dumping 10 teaspoons of sugar, which is 100 percent more than the recommended daily intake. At the 10-minute mark, the body has welcomed the full amount of sugar mentioned. Wondering why vomiting, or even feeling nauseous, is not typically experienced despite the massive amounts of sugar consumed? This is because phosphoric acid tames down the flavor, preventing consumers from becoming sick of the overwhelming sweetness.

And people still drink this stuff and let their kids drink it, despite all the information out there

[puukao]

worrying is the devil.

think that one through..

[scoutman360]

Sugar is a drug. A LEGAL drug. If you really understand it's affect on the body, then you would agree. I struggle with those that differentiate between legal and illegal drugs. The legal standing makes no difference. My sister is addicted to Coke...(aka, sugar). Watch the movie "Supersize Me". Wow, what an eye-opener. One third of this generation will get diabetes.

[buji]

Even supposedly healthy soft drinks,

Oshie Green Tea with honey and lemon 880ml 10% fructose + 5% sugar = 120gm sugar = 17 teaspoons of sugar.

Is that not overstating it a bit for the Oshie ?

Fructose 9.5%, Sugar 5%

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Note

They cheat the serving sizes, 1 bottle = 4 servings.

100 Kcal/serving.

Wow that is extreme, and yes I saw it that they used serving sizes so its 440 cal your calculation was off just a bit but not much. That bottle is a complete meal

Please don't quote me...you're an idiot.

Was referring to formaldehyde being used in Thai beers. German beers are awesome, Thais generally in business have no concern about life, only money & face (lies). Live in Thailand full time, you will see.

[robblok]

Is that not overstating it a bit for the Oshie ?

Fructose 9.5%, Sugar 5%

2015-10-28 21.40.24a.jpg

Note

They cheat the serving sizes, 1 bottle = 4 servings.

100 Kcal/serving.

Wow that is extreme, and yes I saw it that they used serving sizes so its 440 cal your calculation was off just a bit but not much. That bottle is a complete meal

Please don't quote me...you're an idiot.

Was referring to formaldehyde being used in Thai beers. German beers are awesome, Thais generally in business have no concern about life, only money & face (lies). Live in Thailand full time, you will see.

I never mentioned beers why am I an idiot.. or are you an idiot for not being able to use the quote system well ?

The whole list of posts you quote has nothing to do with beer ? Did you have a few too many ?

[Edgehog net]

Don't look at sugar only.

Carbs that are not fiber are devil too.

Slow carbs included.

It doesn't matter that they will be digested in 3 or more hours.

They will act as sugar in your body by raising the insulin level(hormone that is responsible for storing Fat)

Any products that derive from grains (including rice) should be consumed in moderation or even avoided.

Couple of examples:

Let's check nutrition facts for the one slice of bread(29g).

Total Carbohydrate 12 g

Dietary fiber 1.9 g

Sugar 1.6 g

Total non-fiber carbs 10g it's 2 and and a half teaspoons of sugar!!!

Let's check nutrition facts for the one serving size of brown rice (100g)

Total Carbohydrate 23 g

Dietary fiber 1.8 g

Sugar 0.4 g

Total non-fiber carbs 21g it's 5 teaspoons of sugar!!!

And for the white rice it's 7 teaspoons of sugar!!!

[Edgehog net]

Sugar is a drug. A LEGAL drug. If you really understand it's affect on the body, then you would agree. I struggle with those that differentiate between legal and illegal drugs. The legal standing makes no difference. My sister is addicted to Coke...(aka, sugar). Watch the movie "Supersize Me". Wow, what an eye-opener. One third of this generation will get diabetes.

Watch "That sugar film".

More simplistic and instead of McDonalds guy eats "healthy" food and gets fat.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Edgehog net

[robblok]

Don't look at sugar only.

Carbs that are not fiber are devil too.

Slow carbs included.

It doesn't matter that they will be digested in 3 or more hours.

They will act as sugar in your body by raising the insulin level(hormone that is responsible for storing Fat)

Any products that derive from grains (including rice) should be consumed in moderation or even avoided.

Couple of examples:

Let's check nutrition facts for the one slice of bread(29g).

Total Carbohydrate 12 g

Dietary fiber 1.9 g

Sugar 1.6 g

Total non-fiber carbs 10g it's 2 and and a half teaspoons of sugar!!!

Let's check nutrition facts for the one serving size of brown rice (100g)

Total Carbohydrate 23 g

Dietary fiber 1.8 g

Sugar 0.4 g

Total non-fiber carbs 21g it's 5 teaspoons of sugar!!!

And for the white rice it's 7 teaspoons of sugar!!!

Your really contradicting yourself you just post a BCC article stating whole wheat bread isnt bad (and I agree).

Carbs are not bad at all if you eat the right ones and not too many. Alarmist

Guess you also don't understand that your body will convert fat and protein to sugar too..... before it can burn it if there are no carbs.

Edited October 30, 2015 by robblok

[mommysboy]

It's the sugar in unprocessed food really. The Thais in particular are absolutely awful for sweetening their food. Nothing wrong with a sprinkling on your weetabix though. My diet is crap, nevertheless I make sure I have enough fibre, as this slows down the digestive process, a handful of nuts now and then.

[mommysboy]

These are only problems for people that don't exercise.

Exercise a lot, and eat whatever you want.

Exercise little on none, and control your food intake.

It ain't the teaspoons of sugar that's the problem,

It's the 330ml of (almost any) soft drink that contains 20 teaspoons of sugar that's the problem.

Even supposedly healthy soft drinks,

Oshie Green Tea with honey and lemon 880ml 10% fructose + 5% sugar = 120gm sugar = 17 teaspoons of sugar.

Spot on.

[BudRight]

Every cell in your body needs sugar to convert to ATP. Without it you would drop and be dead before you hit the floor. You might as well say we are addicted to water or citric acid.

Why do you think sugar tastes good to humans? Because there is an evolutionary advantage to craving it.

That said, our ancestors were half starved and constantly either chasing something or being chased so most of us don't need to chug that tea crap.

[Lampang2]

Every cell in your body needs sugar to convert to ATP. Without it you would drop and be dead before you hit the floor. You might as well say we are addicted to water or citric acid.

Why do you think sugar tastes good to humans? Because there is an evolutionary advantage to craving it.

That said, our ancestors were half starved and constantly either chasing something or being chased so most of us don't need to chug that tea crap.

A healthy body don't need sugar to get blood sugar.

Blood sugar levels only drops if you are truly starving or have some severe sickness/ malfunction.

[BudRight]

Every cell in your body needs sugar to convert to ATP. Without it you would drop and be dead before you hit the floor. You might as well say we are addicted to water or citric acid.

Why do you think sugar tastes good to humans? Because there is an evolutionary advantage to craving it.

That said, our ancestors were half starved and constantly either chasing something or being chased so most of us don't need to chug that tea crap.

A healthy body don't need sugar to get blood sugar.

Blood sugar levels only drops if you are truly starving or have some severe sickness/ malfunction.

You see where I am going with this. You can eat some sugar and your body will use it for blood glucose. Without it you have to manufacture it.

[h90]

Every cell in your body needs sugar to convert to ATP. Without it you would drop and be dead before you hit the floor. You might as well say we are addicted to water or citric acid.

Why do you think sugar tastes good to humans? Because there is an evolutionary advantage to craving it.

That said, our ancestors were half starved and constantly either chasing something or being chased so most of us don't need to chug that tea crap.

A healthy body don't need sugar to get blood sugar.

Blood sugar levels only drops if you are truly starving or have some severe sickness/ malfunction.

You see where I am going with this. You can eat some sugar and your body will use it for blood glucose. Without it you have to manufacture it.

Without it, you have to manufacture it, but avoid that your body will replace 70%+ of the sugar consumption with fat. Mostly burning Ketone bodies instead of sugar.

[robblok]

Its quite simple carbs are not bad .. sugar in small doses also not that bad (problem is the large doses)

Yes if there is no sugar the body will use fat. But it still burns the same amount of calories either they are from sugar / carbs or fat. (protein is burned last as its needed for muscles) If you do exercise there is nothing wrong with some carbs the carbs will help replace the ATP that was burned during exercise. Its real hard to really exercise if you have no carbs. Our body is made to burn carbs in some way.

I am not talking about sugar, just removing the notion that carbs are bad. They are not unless HI GI.

[mommysboy]

Its quite simple carbs are not bad .. sugar in small doses also not that bad (problem is the large doses)

Yes if there is no sugar the body will use fat. But it still burns the same amount of calories either they are from sugar / carbs or fat. (protein is burned last as its needed for muscles) If you do exercise there is nothing wrong with some carbs the carbs will help replace the ATP that was burned during exercise. Its real hard to really exercise if you have no carbs. Our body is made to burn carbs in some way.

I am not talking about sugar, just removing the notion that carbs are bad. They are not unless HI GI.

I would go one step further and say complex carbs, eg, spuds, cereals, bananas, wholewheat bread are essential. Not only does sugar content release slowly, but they keep you feeling full. Most have both insoluble and soluble fibre, which is important for regulating digestion and blood lipids. Carbs get a bad name because they are often heavily processed, but it is the processing which is bad not the food.

Edited October 31, 2015 by mommysboy

[scubascuba3]

I have a belated question. Thais eat a lot of sugar for example thai coffee from motorbike vendor, few spoonfuls to start it off, then coffee,then more sugar, then sugary milky thing.

Why arent they more unhealthy and more diabetes?

[Jingthing]

I have a belated question. Thais eat a lot of sugar for example thai coffee from motorbike vendor, few spoonfuls to start it off, then coffee,then more sugar, then sugary milky thing.

Why arent they more unhealthy and more diabetes?

Come again?

Thai cuisine is globally lauded as sophisticated, spiritual and even nutritious. What many Thai food fans don’t realize, however, is that there’s often gratuitous amounts of cheap, processed sugar hiding behind the spice.

The country’s sweetness addiction, experts say, is partly responsible for one of it’s fastest growing diseases: diabetes. Nearly one in 10 Thais now suffer from the disease, a rate even worse than America’s one in 12.

“Traditionally, our food is supposed to have a balance of sugar,” said Napaporn Sowattanangoon, a diabetes specialist with Thailand’s Mahidol University. “You’re supposed to taste sweetness balanced with spice, sourness and other flavors. Now, cooks just go overboard with sugar. It’s like they don’t even care about the dangers.”

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/thailand/100331/diabetes-thailand-fattest-countries

[White House]

I have cut refined sugar out of my diet a long while ago. I will get some into my body because occasionally I eat outside and the water with syrup just a little bit of (sunquick black currant) that i drink. I try to not drink much of it and mainly tea but at times I like something else. Still after a hard workout sugar is not that bad as all the glycogen stores need to be replenished anyway.

But cooking food yourself (make my own bread too) you have total control over the amounts of sugar you get in your system.

Still 1000 calories of sugar and 1000 calories of health food make little difference for weight loss (but a lot for your health) just because something is healthy does not mean you can eat loads of it. I could get fat on raw salmon from Oishy too.

What about brown sugar? Is it better, possibly producing less calories?

[Jingthing]

No. And the health issues with too much sugar are more than about only calories.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Jingthing

[White House]

No. And the health issues with too much sugar are more than about only calories.

Yes, do you mean the risk of diabetes?

[NoshowJones]

Anyone tell me this, maybe you will know Robblok. These 25Bt drinks you buy in 7-11, They are called "all you Need"

or something like that. Are they full of sugar? How many calories in one bottle? I cannot read Thai.

[robblok]

It has the same amount of calories so there is no real difference.

[Jingthing]

No. And the health issues with too much sugar are more than about only calories.

Yes, do you mean the risk of diabetes?

See the OP.

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/cutting-sugar-can-improve-health-in-nine-days-20151027-gkkafn.html

Our food intake is not only about the simple math of calories in vs. energy out. It's much more complicated than that. It matters WHAT you eat as well, and sugar over safe levels is definitely harmful.

[h90]

I have cut refined sugar out of my diet a long while ago. I will get some into my body because occasionally I eat outside and the water with syrup just a little bit of (sunquick black currant) that i drink. I try to not drink much of it and mainly tea but at times I like something else. Still after a hard workout sugar is not that bad as all the glycogen stores need to be replenished anyway.

But cooking food yourself (make my own bread too) you have total control over the amounts of sugar you get in your system.

Still 1000 calories of sugar and 1000 calories of health food make little difference for weight loss (but a lot for your health) just because something is healthy does not mean you can eat loads of it. I could get fat on raw salmon from Oishy too.

What about brown sugar? Is it better, possibly producing less calories?

there are 2 different brown sugars (well more than 2....)

1 ) white sugar with brown color.....it is white sugar with brown color.

2 ) sugar that isn't cleaned....may have some interesting things but I think the difference in calories isn't much. It isn't a solution to the sugar problem.

[robblok]

Anyone tell me this, maybe you will know Robblok. These 25Bt drinks you buy in 7-11, They are called "all you Need"

or something like that. Are they full of sugar? How many calories in one bottle? I cannot read Thai.

I would love to help you but i can only speak (some) Thai not read it sorry

[mommysboy]

No. And the health issues with too much sugar are more than about only calories.

Yes, do you mean the risk of diabetes?

The relationship between sugar and type 2 diabetes goes something like this :

1.Sugary food often leads to over eating and weight gain.

2. Weight gain may lead to insulin resistance.

3. Insulin resistance leads to type 2 diabetes.

We can't say sugar causes type 2 diabetes, but it is a major factor in the weight gain that causes insulin resistance.

Junk food nearly always contains excess sugar, as well as too much salt, additives that increase hunger, and very often has too little fibre.

Quality of food is important in so much as a good balanced diet will contain a lot of fibre, which is thought to mediate insulin production. Junk food is usually highly processed whereas whole foods are burnt more slowly.

Sugary drinks, whether they be soda, or fruit juice seem to be particularly hazardous for sugar content. And what's more they circumvent the normal digestive process. In short you get hit with a sugar bomb.

Perhaps the biggest danger of sugar is that it makes you consume far more of everything. Consider a pack of biscuits. One leads to two leads to half a pack.

It remains true however, that weight gain is mainly about calories in and calories out. But as JT says you can't just go with that simple equation.

[Rinso]

Sadly say i am 47 and have Neurpathy in my toes of a life abusing sugar, Nerves are now stuffed in my toes

Tell ya Pain, I now have to live with it.. Not easy on Depressant tablets and pan killers to help with pain next step is Morphine so got to try not get to that stage..

Years of drinking Softdrink