Honda Idling Stop - which Honda motor scooters have this feature?

[1BADDAT]

I bought the PCX when it first came out...love the idle stop and no, after 5yrs never had to replace a battery yet. Bought the GF a brand new one 150cc and she also loves the idle stop. Great feature as far as I'm concerned

There is no starter motor...when I go downtown CM the engine stops a min of 30 times on the trip. lol

There is no starter motor?

How do you explain how the engine starts then?

[BritManToo]

There is no starter motor, the idle stop is part of the alternator.

Feed electricity in and it spins, spin it and electricity comes out.

On the contrary - one device does two things. Of course it has a starter motor, and an alternator. Both combined. What starts the bike when you turn the key on and hit the button if not a starter motor ?

http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-technology/Engineidlingstop/p3.html

Starter motor has a gear that engages the engine when it turns.

The combi alternators are always connected and a completely different item.

It's called an ACG, which I believe stands for Alternator Circuit Generator.

http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-technology/Engineidlingstop/p3.html

Calling it a starter motor is a bit like insisting on calling an alternator a dynamo, technology moves on and a new name is used.

Edited April 4, 2016 by BritManToo

[papa al]

There is credible reasoning amongst engineers , to leave the engine running , so the water pump keeps running , saving the engine sitting in its own boiling water. This is why some more advanced engines have an electric water pump that continues to circulate the water through the radiator , after shutdown , prolonging engine and oil life.

Which advanced engines?

[seedy]

Post #30 included a link to explain the ACG system used by Honda.

[1BADDAT]

I have this feature on my Honda Click and I don't use it. The only real advantage that I like is that it starts very smoothly.

[papa al]

There is no starter motor, the idle stop is part of the alternator.

Feed electricity in and it spins, spin it and electricity comes out.

On the contrary - one device does two things. Of course it has a starter motor, and an alternator. Both combined. What starts the bike when you turn the key on and hit the button if not a starter motor ?

http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-technology/Engineidlingstop/p3.html

Starter motor has a gear that engages the engine when it turns.

The combi alternators are always connected and a completely different item.

It's called an ACG, which I believe stands for Alternator Circuit Generator.

http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-technology/Engineidlingstop/p3.html

Calling it a starter motor is a bit like insisting on calling an alternator a dynamo, technology moves on and a new name is used.

Well, Honda calls it a starter....

Dynamo.

papa likes it

alt schule terminology

Edited April 4, 2016 by papa al

[thailand49]

As noted the click has the feature along with the PCX, Zoomer, majority of the Automatic now are fitted with the feature. The problem it drains the battery, After a while I monitor the gas mileage as to what I was saving using the idle stop. I did not see a benefit to using it in regards to gas. I did noticed after a year with the idle being used that it started to hesitate whenever I needed to take off. Thereafter the battery went completely got a new one same thing after stop since then battery I have now year old no problem since I stopped using the idle.

[BritManToo]

As noted the click has the feature along with the PCX, Zoomer, majority of the Automatic now are fitted with the feature. The problem it drains the battery, After a while I monitor the gas mileage as to what I was saving using the idle stop. I did not see a benefit to using it in regards to gas. I did noticed after a year with the idle being used that it started to hesitate whenever I needed to take off. Thereafter the battery went completely got a new one same thing after stop since then battery I have now year old no problem since I stopped using the idle.

I've always worked on the principle that car and m/c manufacturers always fit the cheapest battery they can get away with, rather than the most suitable one for the job. So when I buy a new battery, I always fit the biggest AH battery that will fit in the hole.

Seems to work much longer and costs very little extra.

[zaZa9]

There IS a problem with the idle stop , and I witnessed it first hand.

A PCX rider had an accident and came off his bike as I approached him.

I stopped and watched him stand up , and looking slightly dazed , grab the handle of his apparently "stalled" PCX.

It immediatety started up , and as he only held the right hand handle , it spun wildly round and skidded sideways again across the road.

He went to do it again , but by now I had parked my scooter and intervened and turned the PCX off at its key.

The PCX hadnt stalled.

It had stopped idling until he put his hand on its accelerator!

[SkyRider]

Is there anyway to test a battery, to see how much life it has left?

I'd like to know if a battery is about to die, so that I can change it - before it dies on me while I'm riding on a road.

[lust]

Is there anyway to test a battery, to see how much life it has left?

I'd like to know if a battery is about to die, so that I can change it - before it dies on me while I'm riding on a road.

You will know when you are starting it. If it's weak to turn over, it's on it's way out. If you don't ride it in a few days, is it easy to start?

[1BADDAT]

Is there anyway to test a battery, to see how much life it has left?

I'd like to know if a battery is about to die, so that I can change it - before it dies on me while I'm riding on a road.

yes they make battery testers. I know auto parts stores in the US have them to check customers batteries. Not sure about here.

[gmac]

It's only since I came to Thailand that I seen people stopping their engine at traffic lights......never understood it myself. In my younger days I remember been told that the little petrol you save doing that is lost when starting up the engine again.

When I drive around Pattaya in my car I only get around 275kms on a tank of petrol, mainly due to constant queues and sitting stationery at traffic lights. On normal roads around Sattahip/Ban Chang I get up 4-500kms on a tank. I would I love an idling stop feature in that car!

[1BADDAT]

It's only since I came to Thailand that I seen people stopping their engine at traffic lights......never understood it myself. In my younger days I remember been told that the little petrol you save doing that is lost when starting up the engine again.

When I drive around Pattaya in my car I only get around 275kms on a tank of petrol, mainly due to constant queues and sitting stationery at traffic lights. On normal roads around Sattahip/Ban Chang I get up 4-500kms on a tank. I would I love an idling stop feature in that car!

i challenge you to turn off the bike at every light to see the difference. I think you will find it is minimal if even noticeable.

[canthai55]

i challenge you to turn off the bike at every light to see the difference. I think you will find it is minimal if even noticeable.

Stuck in Traffic. No engine running = no Aircon. Good luck with that

[1BADDAT]

i challenge you to turn off the bike at every light to see the difference. I think you will find it is minimal if even noticeable.

Stuck in Traffic. No engine running = no Aircon. Good luck with that

what motorbikes or motorcycles have air con?

[canthai55]

When I drive around Pattaya in my car I only get around 275kms on a tank of petrol, mainly due to constant queues and sitting stationery at traffic lights. On normal roads around Sattahip/Ban Chang I get up 4-500kms on a tank. I would I love an idling stop feature in that car!

Here is the original quote - notice the part which says "in my car"

Edited April 15, 2016 by canthai55

[1BADDAT]

When I drive around Pattaya in my car I only get around 275kms on a tank of petrol, mainly due to constant queues and sitting stationery at traffic lights. On normal roads around Sattahip/Ban Chang I get up 4-500kms on a tank. I would I love an idling stop feature in that car!

Here is the original quote - notice the part which says "in my car"

my apologies. I didn't realize someone switched a thread about bikes to cars.