10 Reasons Not To Put Nitrogen In Your Tyres.

[seedy]

People have posted their experiences with using N2. Some agree. Some do not.

 

Let's keep it civil. State your opinion in a polite and respectful manner.

[Don Mega]

On 11/22/2016 at 4:23 AM, Don Mega said:

You guys that do use Nitrogen, how do you purge the oxygen from inside the tire ?

 

 

So nobody able to answer my question ?

[Anythingleft?]

 
 
So nobody able to answer my question ?

Just keep inflating and deflating the tyre untill the correct nitrogen level is achieved.Takes a few cycles to get the desired purity level using a meter, both of these I have not seen done here
Neither the purges nor the use of a meter so most likely the tyres would not be getting the full benefit as there is a minimum that the concentration has to be to be effective

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[transam]

1 hour ago, Don Mega said:

 

 

So nobody able to answer my question ?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=191

[Don Mega]

46 minutes ago, transam said:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=191

 

Can you point me to the part where it explains how to purge the existing air from the tire to replace it with 100% Nitrogen.

[transam]

Just now, Don Mega said:

 

Can you point me to the part where it explains how to purge the existing air from the tire to replace it with 100% Nitrogen.

It states that a garage can have a thingy to separate. Pull air out. It also I think says do not cause a vacuum, think the picture shows that..But was thinking how A/C is gassed up, they have a system where old gas, air, moisture is pulled out and fresh gas put in all in one hit so no air can get in. Perhaps race cars etc have a similar system, l don't know but am sure you are going to enlighten us....

[Don Mega]

1 hour ago, transam said:

It states that a garage can have a thingy to separate. Pull air out. It also I think says do not cause a vacuum, think the picture shows that..But was thinking how A/C is gassed up, they have a system where old gas, air, moisture is pulled out and fresh gas put in all in one hit so no air can get in. Perhaps race cars etc have a similar system, l don't know but am sure you are going to enlighten us....

 

 

ok so you dont really know, how does B-quick remove the air (they do nitrogen fills don't they) ?

 

 

[transam]

16 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

 

 

ok so you dont really know, how does B-quick remove the air (they do nitrogen fills don't they) ?

 

 

No idea, they probably don't. Will ask my chum...

But, when a new tyre is fitted it has air in it, but it is not compressed, the tyre is filled with nitrogen and is compressed, so the air in the tyre will be compressed into a very small amount..

[ballpoint]

On 11/22/2016 at 4:23 AM, Don Mega said:

You guys that do use Nitrogen, how do you purge the oxygen from inside the tire ?

"Converting air-filled tires to nitrogen requires filling and deflating the tires with nitrogen several times to purge all of the air (nitrogen must be 93-95% pure to be effective)".

 

http://www.tirebuyer.com/education/nitrogen-vs-air

 

"...  nitrogen does have some technological advantages over air for tire inflation. Whether or not those advantages will be of any practical use to you depends on how you use your car".

 

[JAS21]

3 hours ago, ballpoint said:

"Converting air-filled tires to nitrogen requires filling and deflating the tires with nitrogen several times to purge all of the air (nitrogen must be 93-95% pure to be effective)".

 

http://www.tirebuyer.com/education/nitrogen-vs-air

 

"...  nitrogen does have some technological advantages over air for tire inflation. Whether or not those advantages will be of any practical use to you depends on how you use your car".

 

Actually when I have seen it done they do a couple of inflations to max pressure. So the first inflation and deflation will increase the percentage to near 90% and the  second will change it to near 95%. A refill to normal pressure will then be okay.

 

Then of course with time only the air will leak out .... maybe 

[Don Mega]

16 minutes ago, JAS21 said:

Actually when I have seen it done they do a couple of inflations to max pressure. So the first inflation and deflation will increase the percentage to near 90% and the  second will change it to near 95%. A refill to normal pressure will then be okay.

 

Then of course with time only the air will leak out .... maybe 

 

But from there any air that leaks out will only be any residual oxygen still remaining inside the tire, once that has gone the tire will then be filled with 100% nitrogen that never leaks !!

[JAS21]

I couldn't have put it better myself ...

[gdgbb]

On 22/11/2016 at 4:17 PM, Kwasaki said:

 

I'm not missing anything you are and l  don't agreed with the 10 vid reasons other than cost.

As l have said before proof of pudding is in the eating.

Unless you try it out for yourself in your own vehicles how would you know what l have experienced that is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask of you.

That way you will have your own scientific facts recorded.

"Unless you try it out for yourself in your own vehicles how would you know what l have experienced that is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask of you."

 

What would be the sense in trying out something that cannot do what is claimed regardless of your claim of something impossible happening?  And if I did, how would whatever happened give me scientific facts?   I have those already as do you, and your mate.

[Don Mega]

On 11/22/2016 at 4:17 PM, Kwasaki said:

 

 

As l have said before proof of pudding is in the eating.

Unless you try it out for yourself in your own vehicles how would you know what l have experienced that is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask of you.

That way you will have your own scientific facts recorded.

 

 

Ok you have convince me to add that other 20% nitrogen to the  tires on my street driven vehicles, what benefits will I experience other than having to check my tire pressure less frequently ?

[gdgbb]

1 hour ago, JAS21 said:

Then of course with time only the air will leak out .... maybe 

What?  Only the air will leak out?

The air will be mixed with the nitrogen, how does the nitrogen know not to leave the tyre (through wherever the leak is) and to separate itself from the air?

[gdgbb]

A couple of relevant quotes on this subject from this thread...http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/954995-increasing-tyre-aspect-ratio-for-comfort/ "

 

"P.S. ... the tyres have almost 100% N2 inside, seems to keep the outside of them clean"

"Dropping the pressure improves things, it actually drops on it's own,"

 

Is the exterior tyre-cleansing property of nitrogen something that others have noticed also?  The second quote is from a nitrogen user who confirms that nitrogen does not hold pressure particularly well.

 

[JAS21]

A couple of relevant quotes on this subject from this thread...http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/954995-increasing-tyre-aspect-ratio-for-comfort/ "

 

"P.S. ... the tyres have almost 100% N2 inside, seems to keep the outside of them clean"

"Dropping the pressure improves things, it actually drops on it's own,"

 

Is the exterior tyre-cleansing property of nitrogen something that others have noticed also?  The second quote is from a nitrogen user who confirms that nitrogen does not hold pressure particularly well.

...........................................

 

They were both my quotes,from my topic ... my sense of humour is not understood,  I think it is  

 

We should have a poll on the merit or not of using N2 ... who will offer to do 

 

AND read this before voting ,... http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/graham.pdf

[transam]

My chum, who is a circuit car racer, has got back to me regarding this subject.

 

Race car....The tyres are fitted on the rims clean and 'dry', bedded in with nitrogen, so there is no moisture in the tyre, then inflated to the correct pressure. Racers use it because there is nothing to alter the tyre pressures via moisture. He has seen duel valve wheels where to be 100% N2 they fill with one and blast it out the other then fill for 100%.

Road car...As many rides have tyres that last for years every time you top up the pressure you put in water from the air that the compressor pulls in, separators may not be 100% efficient or used. That water corrodes and alters pressures when hot because it is not a 'dry' gas. Lastly, N2 has more trouble getting through rubber than air so pressures remain constant longer.

[ClutchClark]

Isn't "air" about 78% Nitrogen already? 

[transam]

1 hour ago, ClutchClark said:

Isn't "air" about 78% Nitrogen already? 

The 22% that ain't is not a 'dry' gas..

[Don Mega]

59 minutes ago, transam said:

The 22% that ain't is not a 'dry' gas..

 that 22% is actually 21% oxygen and 1% water vapour and argon.
 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

 that 22% is actually 21% oxygen and 1% water vapour and argon.
 

 

That's why air is not referred too as a dry gas..

[Don Mega]

Just now, transam said:

That's why air is not referred too as a dry gas..

 

But nitrogen is dry so is the 1% of 21% or 100% ?

[transam]

Just now, Don Mega said:

 

But nitrogen is dry so is the 1% of 21% or 100% ?

Sorry, don't understand...

[Don Mega]

Just now, transam said:

Sorry, don't understand...

 

Me neither, am bored an reckon the use of nitrogen is a wank so am just waffling crap !!

[Kwasaki]

On 11/23/2016 at 8:42 AM, Anythingleft? said:

Takes a few cycles to get the desired purity level using a meter, both of these I have not seen done here

 

Go to a  " Cockpit " outlet if it's as good as the one l go to they do it,  if they didn't l would tell em to. 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

 

Me neither, am bored an reckon the use of nitrogen is a wank so am just waffling crap !!

At least it keeps my ol' gray cells working...fanks...

[Don Mega]

On 11/22/2016 at 4:17 PM, Kwasaki said:

 

I'm not missing anything you are and l  don't agreed with the 10 vid reasons other than cost.

As l have said before proof of pudding is in the eating.

Unless you try it out for yourself in your own vehicles how would you know what l have experienced that is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask of you.

That way you will have your own scientific facts recorded.

 

He Kwakasaki, Today I drove me pickup home in manual mode (no D for me) and according to my bum dyno it felt like me vigo had atleast 500HP, so now I have scientfic facts that proves me vigo has 500Hp. Pretty awesome eh !!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

 

He Kwakasaki, Today I drove me pickup home in manual mode (no D for me) and according to my bum dyno it felt like me vigo had atleast 500HP, so now I have scientfic facts that proves me vigo has 500Hp. Pretty awesome eh !!

My Vigo was the same, l had a bout of diarrhea where I had to get home quick..

[Kwasaki]

23 hours ago, transam said:

No idea, they probably don't. Will ask my chum...

But, when a new tyre is fitted it has air in it, but it is not compressed, the tyre is filled with nitrogen and is compressed, so the air in the tyre will be compressed into a very small amount..

 

At  " Cockpit "  new tyres fitted on Vigo, all rims were cleaned and checked especially rim seals and obviously new valves with green dust caps.   l liked it,  it was different. 

l must say l was amused with all enthusiasm as they told me they were inflating the tyres with nitrogen and why etc.

With all the gauges, equipment going to each wheel several times when inflating, after getting home the next morning l had to deflated the tyres psi to correct pressure.  

 

2 weeks on, 4 weeks on, and 2 months on when checked, no lose l was impressed to say the least so much so when the Mrs car came into being l had nitrogen put in it's car tyres.

It wasn't just a deflation the whole process was carried out as if they were fitting new tyres.