Arrests made as Israel fires rage for third consecutive day

[dexterm]

19 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Now, it couldn't. You quoted a story dating from 2015. The ban on Muslim call for prayer was this month.

Arson attacks directed against Arabs (Christian/Muslim) by Israeli Jews are rare. The opposite isn't, comes back every few years. There's nothing that stands comparison with regard to scale.

>>Arson attacks directed against Arabs (Christian/Muslim) by Israeli Jews are rare.

Not true!

There is a long history of fanatical Jewish colonists using arson and other terror tactics against Palestinians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks

 

the most notorious of which was the firebombing murder of an 18 month old Palestinian baby and his parents in Duma last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Some fires were located within the security barrier of the Israeli/Jewish settlement, read compound. Again, no Palestinians are allowed to be there.

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Are you being intentionally obtuse? No one claimed Palestinian firefighters were allowed access to all areas of Israel.

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, dexterm said:

>>Arson attacks directed against Arabs (Christian/Muslim) by Israeli Jews are rare.

Not true!

There is a long history of fanatical Jewish colonists using arson and other terror tactics against Palestinians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks

 

the most notorious of which was the firebombing murder of an 18 month old Palestinian baby and his parents in Duma last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

 

Using your "extensive" knowledge and geographical "understanding" - how many of these arson attacks occurred within Israel, as opposed to the West Bank?  That would include the other example.

 

Again, this is not about the Palestinian struggle for self-determination, or supposed retribution for things that happened in the past, but related to opportunity (weather conditions) and the recent legislation attempt.

 

I am aware that you see each and every topic dealing with Israel as a platform fit for spewing your agenda, but it makes a rather far fetched connection with regard to  the OP.

[Morch]

@dexterm

 

All of the nonsense you post on this topic does nothing but highlight that you use it to further spread you agenda. As usual, assuming that any Palestinian (or even Arab Israeli) action is directly related to your hateful message.

 

There are no recent incidents in the West Bank which could be tied to this spate of arson attacks. That would include all the examples you cited. The proposed legislation is a way more concrete motivator, and Arab social media certainly lends credit to the the connection.

 

Both you and the other "informed" posters can point at whatever you wish, still wouldn't make your observations relevant or correct. False flag? That the best deflection you can come with? Not entirely surprising, but still, one sometimes unreasonably hopes for a certain class.

 

Everything I posted is either taken from public reports, and assessments. Information concerting previous arson attacks is available and there are reoccurring patterns. The reasoning with regard to motivation is both pretty trivial to anyone actually familiar with the situation, and was repeated both by reports and appearing widely on relevant social media. I'm not the one going out of his way to make dodgy connections to things that took place a year or more back.

 

 

 

[Morch]

@Thorgal

 

Israel Accepts Palestinian Offer to Send Teams to Combat Fire
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.755243

 

Palestinian Authority sends a team to help combat blazes

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-authority-to-send-a-team-to-help-combat-blazes/

[coma]

15 hours ago, Morch said:

 

This is not about the "Palestinian struggle for self-determination", though. More like Israeli Arab Muslims reacting to recent legislation attempts. 

 

The OP as you always like to draw people back to, states " Four Palestinians", not four Israeli Arab Muslims.

[coma]

14 hours ago, Morch said:

 

I am aware that you see each and every topic dealing with Israel as a platform fit for spewing your agenda, but it makes a rather far fetched connection with regard to  the OP.

 

No. He has provided you with detailed historical FACTS of Israeli Jews using arson [What the OP is all about ] as a weapon against Palestinians.

 

The typical response when somebody has been clean bowled by cold hard facts. Deflection.

[NumbNut]

On 11/25/2016 at 10:07 AM, simple1 said:

 

Heard on the news those detained for questioning have already been released. In Australia with annual bush fires, many are deliberately lit by arsonists, without a violent response by police / security.

 

Exactly, it's a yearly scourge during bushfire season in Oz. And as Simple1 states, quite often the fires are started by arsonists, of all ages and from all walks of life. They do seem to be mostly young males though, you don't see many female arsonists in Oz. Some arsonists come from relatively privileged backgrounds too, you just don't expect otherwise upstanding citizens to be guilty of such devastating crimes against their neighbours.

 

Good to see in the report that they are referred to as arsonists too, as they should be, until any further evidence comes up that changes the picture. Partisan folks on TVF are so quick to rush to judgement before the relevant facts have even had a chance to be gathered and ascertained.

Edited November 26, 2016 by NumbNut

[coma]

13 minutes ago, NumbNut said:

 

Exactly, it's a yearly scourge during bushfire season in Oz. And as Simple1 states, quite often the fires are started by arsonists, of all ages and from all walks of life. They do seem to be mostly young males though, you don't see many female arsonists in Oz. Some arsonists come from relatively privileged backgrounds too, you just don't expect otherwise upstanding citizens to be guilty of such devastating crimes against their neighbours.

 

 

And there are a few [ to many ] cases of firefighters starting them too.

[Ulysses G.]

55 minutes ago, NumbNut said:

 

Good to see in the report that they are referred to as arsonists too, as they should be, until any further evidence comes up that changes the picture. Partisan folks on TVF are so quick to rush to judgement before the relevant facts have even had a chance to be gathered and ascertained.

 

At least 16 Palestimians have been arrested and al-Qeada have claimed responsibility. However, they have offered no evidence yet.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, coma said:

 

The OP as you always like to draw people back to, states " Four Palestinians", not four Israeli Arab Muslims.

 

Israeli Arabs are Palestinians. The distinction is more to do with citizenship and place of residence. As pointed out earlier, the OP is somewhat misleading there. Following local media gives a clearer idea of the facts in this matter.

 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, coma said:

 

No. He has provided you with detailed historical FACTS of Israeli Jews using arson [What the OP is all about ] as a weapon against Palestinians.

 

The typical response when somebody has been clean bowled by cold hard facts. Deflection.

 

The OP deals with events happening mostly within Israel. What you and the other poster refer to deals mostly with events which took place in the West Bank. If one looks at timelines, there is usually no obvious connection between them. The claim made was that the current spate of arson attack could be related to things which took place over a year ago (or more). The motivation I provided is a more concrete and recent event. It is also supported by numerous comments, official and unofficial.

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

At least 16 Palestimians have been arrested and al-Qeada have claimed responsibility. However, they have offered no evidence yet.

 

I honestly  doubt AQ got anything to do with it. Not much representation or support among Palestinians or Israeli Arabs. And as pointed out, most of those arrested are Israeli citizens.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, NumbNut said:

 

Exactly, it's a yearly scourge during bushfire season in Oz. And as Simple1 states, quite often the fires are started by arsonists, of all ages and from all walks of life. They do seem to be mostly young males though, you don't see many female arsonists in Oz. Some arsonists come from relatively privileged backgrounds too, you just don't expect otherwise upstanding citizens to be guilty of such devastating crimes against their neighbours.

 

Good to see in the report that they are referred to as arsonists too, as they should be, until any further evidence comes up that changes the picture. Partisan folks on TVF are so quick to rush to judgement before the relevant facts have even had a chance to be gathered and ascertained.

 

This all sounds very reasonable, only it disregards similar past events and patterns. If this was an isolated case, perhaps. If fires were not almost exclusively appearing in the vicinity of Jewish neighborhoods and settlements, maybe.

[MisterTee]

What a terrible feeling it must be to have your house and land threatened by wildfires.

It must be similar to what the Palestinians feel when Israeli bulldozers are about to level their homes and olive groves.

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, MisterTee said:

What a terrible feeling it must be to have your house and land threatened by wildfires.

It must be similar to what the Palestinians feel when Israeli bulldozers are about to level their homes and olive groves.

 

What a terrible thing it is that this topic is not quite about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

[Shawn0000]

2 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

At least 16 Palestimians have been arrested and al-Qeada have claimed responsibility. However, they have offered no evidence yet.

 

Actually it was Ma’sadat al-Mujahideen who claimed responsibility, but like the previous fires they claimed to have started, there is no evidence that they did, and so they are suspected of using others attacks for their own propaganda.

[seedy]

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Edit:   And more have been cleaned up. 

Please stay on the current topic. 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Why not take your claim of the verdict of the European courts being "nonsensical" straight to those who examined the evidence and deliberated on the issue for the past two years, I am sure they would be delighted to hear your assert that all you have read on the internet you have also believed and that you have nothing at all else to from your verdict on.

 

And I'm sure that still doesn't have much to do with the topic.

Like I said, we'll have a chance to discuss this in the future.

[metisdead]

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