Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[EvenSteven]

Trump is having a melt-down.  Since the investigation all we've heard from him is "witch hunt" "witch hunt" and "fake news".  Now he is saying he has nothing to do with the activities of those charged.  lol  He doesn't understand the concept of credibility, because he has none.

    

[Jingthing]

Yep.

 

Ultimately, it's about him.

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Trump Should Be Scared

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/donald_trump_should_be_scared.html

 

[janclaes47]

33 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yep.

 

Ultimately, it's about him.

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Trump Should Be Scared

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-worst-mistake-may-lousy-people-hires-164446459.html

 

President Donald Trump is right, so far: the sprawling investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller hasn’t shown that Trump himself did anything wrong. It may never.

[EvenSteven]

40 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-worst-mistake-may-lousy-people-hires-164446459.html

 

President Donald Trump is right, so far: the sprawling investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller hasn’t shown that Trump himself did anything wrong. It may never.

Time will only tell.  But all indications suggest otherwise.  Btw, it sounds as though you know something about the investigation that Mueller hasn't yet publicly disclosed or has been leaked.  Please share.

[Ruffian Dick]

On 10/18/2017 at 12:09 AM, Jingthing said:

This isn't really a thread about McCain, and of course he made big mistakes in his career, but watch the entire speech, he admits it. I think people are failing to see the incredible importance of such an iconic right wing REPUBLICAN calling out trump for what he is, even if coded ... a fascist, way too friendly to racists and Nazis, an enemy of democracy globally and at home, the kind of dark force the west thought they had crushed in World War 2. 

No, it isn't a thread about McCain, except when it is... 

If Trump hadn't insulted him and belittled his years of torture and imprisonment, I suspect that the senior senator from the Grand Canyon State would be on Trump's side. It's clear that McCain is every bit the counter-puncher that Trump is.

 

[Ron19]

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[metisdead]

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[Skywalker69]

3 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-worst-mistake-may-lousy-people-hires-164446459.html

 

President Donald Trump is right, so far: the sprawling investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller hasn’t shown that Trump himself did anything wrong. It may never.

Stage one,  nail Manafort so he must turn on Trump and hope to cut a deal. He had to put up 10 milj. USD in bail.

[bazza73]

51 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Stage one,  nail Manafort so he must turn on Trump and hope to cut a deal. He had to put up 10 milj. USD in bail.

It's hard to imagine Manafort would take the fall for Trump.

[Kim1950]

12 hours ago, CaptHaddock said:

So what. These are about the same statistics, maybe worse, for Trump before he drumped Cinton in the election. Meaningless. So the entire weight of the US DOJ and their intelligence community, wire traps, and whatever and they get a guy on noodling bank transactions from years ago, like Apple or Zuckerburg, and a thousand other greedy people, the same soup that happens everyday. Crap. And, just shut-up, all the Trump haters, who feel your politics is above the law of justice. 

[craigt3365]

4 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-worst-mistake-may-lousy-people-hires-164446459.html

 

President Donald Trump is right, so far: the sprawling investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller hasn’t shown that Trump himself did anything wrong. It may never.

As Mueller has said, this is a small part of a larger investigation.  In other words, ya ain't seen nothing yet.

 

It's the first time since Watergate aides close to the president have been convicted of criminal charges.  And remember, Watergate started out slow.  Much more to come.

 

What's the big news is Papadopoulos' guilty plea.  He's going to spill the beans.  And it sends a very strong message.  Lie to the FBI and you're going to be charged.  That could lead to charges against Trump Jr., Kushner and maybe others.

 

The Manafort investigation went back 11 years.  Won't it be interesting when they go back 11 years into the financial dealings of Trump and his family.  It's already been proven they've been dealing with Russians for years.  Some dodgy dealings.

 

Stay tuned....

[Srikcir]

7 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Papadopoulos' guilty plea

The plea represents the most explicit evidence that the Trump campaign was aware that the Russian government was trying to help Mr. Trump and that the campaign was eager to accept that help.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia.html

What's important is that Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on October 5th and now only revealed.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-timeline-george-papadopoulos-indictment-20171030-htmlstory.html

And during that time span he was active in White House without revealing his arrest - wearing a "wire?" Anyone in the Trump administration who communicated with him maybe vulnerable to indictment now. Who might that be? (Picture from above link)

 

 

[craigt3365]

It's speculation, but being reported that Papadopoulos might have been wearing a wire during meetings with Trump and crew.  And a court order that came out this month stated the investigation is focused on collusion between the Trump campaign and foreign entities.  It's laid out clearly.

 

Much, much, much more to come.  Info relating to Papadopoulos is being kept confidential.

 

Edit: Srikcir, ya beat me to it! LOL

Edited October 31, 2017 by craigt3365

[CaptHaddock]

19 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

As Mueller has said, this is a small part of a larger investigation.  In other words, ya ain't seen nothing yet.

 

It's the first time since Watergate aides close to the president have been convicted of criminal charges.  And remember, Watergate started out slow.  Much more to come.

 

What's the big news is Papadopoulos' guilty plea.  He's going to spill the beans.  And it sends a very strong message.  Lie to the FBI and you're going to be charged.  That could lead to charges against Trump Jr., Kushner and maybe others.

 

The Manafort investigation went back 11 years.  Won't it be interesting when they go back 11 years into the financial dealings of Trump and his family.  It's already been proven they've been dealing with Russians for years.  Some dodgy dealings.

 

Stay tuned....

Papadopoulos is the first to flip.

 

I want to go on record with a prediction in the end that Kushner will also flip.  Omerta has its limits.

[craigt3365]

Papadopoulos setup the meetings in Russia, which Gates attended.  And setup the meeting with Trump Jr. and Kushner in Trump Tower.  Which the Junior initially lied about.

 

Sarah Sanders is horrible.  Probably worse than Spicey.  Amazing how people can stand there and lie like that.

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎21‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 2:07 PM, tomwct said:

Never happen! President Trump will be one of the best Presidents the US has ever scene! He'll also be re-elected with the popular vote and  more electorial votes than before. In addition, more states will go Republican in the next 3 voting cycles.

It might:

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1009111-two-ex-trump-aides-charged-in-russia-probe-third-pleads-guilty/

Edited October 31, 2017 by FritsSikkink

[janclaes47]

5 hours ago, EvenSteven said:

Time will only tell.  But all indications suggest otherwise.  Btw, it sounds as though you know something about the investigation that Mueller hasn't yet publicly disclosed or has been leaked.  Please share.

 

I don't know anything that Mueller doesn't know, however many anti Trump posters on this thread seem to know the future, because the quoted text is from the article I linked to.

 

You should know if you had bothered to read it.

[Srikcir]

47 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

Kushner will also flip

There is potential that Mike Flynn Sr. will flip to protect indictment of his son Flynn Jr.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741

Not since early August when Mueller sought White House documents on Flynn Sr. has Mueller publicized any legal action against Flynn Sr.

Mueller is strangely silent on Flynn Sr. considering recent indictments. Perhaps Flynn Sr. (fired by two presidents) has already flipped in a plea bargain, ie., no charges against Flynn Jr.?

I don't believe Kushner will flip given his and DT's wealth and political connections to fight charges.

[CaptHaddock]

The fact that Mueller chose to release the guilty plea of Papadopoulos, who has been cooperating with the investigation since his arrest in July, along with the Manafort and Gates indictments appears intended to communicate to other members of Trump's crime network that if you flip you will be charge with a lesser offense, like lying to a federal agent, but if you do not cooperate we will throw the book at you for every crime you have commit going back years that you thought you were clever enough to conceal.

 

 

[CaptHaddock]

7 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

There is potential that Mike Flynn Sr. will flip to protect indictment of his son Flynn Jr.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741

Not since early August when Mueller sought White House documents on Flynn Sr. has Mueller publicized any legal action against Flynn Sr.

Mueller is strangely silent on Flynn Sr. considering recent indictments. Perhaps Flynn Sr. (fired by two presidents) has already flipped in a plea bargain, ie., no charges against Flynn Jr.?

I don't believe Kushner will flip given his and DT's wealth and political connections to fight charges.

I consider Flynn certain to flip to save his mouth-breather son.  Flynn, unlike Manafort, isn't rich and cannot afford his current legal fees, for one thing.  But many others will flip eventually also. 

 

Keep your eye on Kushner.  You heard it here first.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Kim1950 said:

So what. These are about the same statistics, maybe worse, for Trump before he drumped Cinton in the election. Meaningless. So the entire weight of the US DOJ and their intelligence community, wire traps, and whatever and they get a guy on noodling bank transactions from years ago, like Apple or Zuckerburg, and a thousand other greedy people, the same soup that happens everyday. Crap. And, just shut-up, all the Trump haters, who feel your politics is above the law of justice. 

Haven't been following the Papadopoulos part of the story, have you?

 

BTW:  How can anyone watch the round of mandatory *ss-k*ss*ng at Trump's first staff meeting and not hate him?    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump+first+staff+meeting+praise+video&view=detail&mid=4536C43BE13A35BB1A504536C43BE13A35BB1A50&FORM=VIRE

[Thakkar]

Caroline O. (@RVAwonk)

31/10/2017, 6:45 AM

Russian-backed content reached 126 million Americans during the election. *That's roughly the # of people who voted*
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-backed-election-content-reached-126-million-americans-facebook-says-n815791

 

also here:

 

https://nyti.ms/2iMTAHq

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

Caroline O. (@RVAwonk)

31/10/2017, 6:45 AM

Russian-backed content reached 126 million Americans during the election. *That's roughly the # of people who voted*
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-backed-election-content-reached-126-million-americans-facebook-says-n815791

 

also here:

 

https://nyti.ms/2iMTAHq

And some still think they had no influence on the elections....right....

[Jingthing]

Papa who?!?

 

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Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment

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But, what Papadopolous has already admitted to doing -- lying to the FBI about his conversations with Russian operatives regarding "dirt" on Trump's general election opponent -- is a very big deal. A bigger deal -- in terms of the investigation into Russia's attempted meddling in the election and allegations of collusion -- than the dozen counts laid out in the Manafort indictment.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/george-papadopolous-trump-guilty/index.html

 

This is early days. 

At least the trump is delivering on one it's promises -- BIG DRAMA.

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

7 hours ago, Kim1950 said:

So what. These are about the same statistics, maybe worse, for Trump before he drumped Cinton in the election. Meaningless. So the entire weight of the US DOJ and their intelligence community, wire traps, and whatever and they get a guy on noodling bank transactions from years ago, like Apple or Zuckerburg, and a thousand other greedy people, the same soup that happens everyday. Crap. And, just shut-up, all the Trump haters, who feel your politics is above the law of justice. 

What is the "law of justice."? Is this something other than what Robert Mueller is following?

[Jingthing]

The clown potus approval ratings now deeply down the toilet.

This sad joke of a so called president now enmeshed in a Watergate level scandal (or worse actually), tiny hand level approval ratings, and a continued failure to pass even one item of major legislation even though his party controls congress. 

Keep in mind such massive failures and unpopularity increase the odds (still rather unlikely) that he will be impeached. 

Of course he has the one trump card, that he is taking credit for the stock market and growth surges. 

That might be enough to keep him in power. But only might.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

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The other bad news for Trump on Monday: New approval-rating lows

At 33 percent in the new Gallup poll, Trump’s approval rating is lower than any measured for Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton or Barack Obama.

• By Philip Bump

 

 

[Briggsy]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

I don't believe Kushner will flip given his and DT's wealth and political connections to fight charges.

I agree. Kushner is inner, inner circle. He is a member of the clan. His whole life is tied to Trump. And as Srikcir points out, too wealthy and connected not to fight. Mueller wouldn't even try. Once it gets to charges against Kushner, the real bloodbath is on. Every pullable string would be pulled. Judges would be lobbied. Those scheduling judges would be lobbied and bribed. Juries would be tampered with. Witnesses would be in danger (considering the involvement of Russia, a country that does not shy from overseas assassinations)

[craigt3365]

7 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

I agree. Kushner is inner, inner circle. He is a member of the clan. His whole life is tied to Trump. And as Srikcir points out, too wealthy and connected not to fight. Mueller wouldn't even try. Once it gets to charges against Kushner, the real bloodbath is on. Every pullable string would be pulled. Judges would be lobbied. Those scheduling judges would be lobbied and bribed. Juries would be tampered with. Witnesses would be in danger (considering the involvement of Russia, a country that does not shy from overseas assassinations)

I've read some articles saying Kushner and Trump Jr. are the top candidates for being indicted.

 

Bribes? Tampered Juries?  No way.  Everything will be scrutinized and made available to the public via our shadow government.  The free press.

[Jingthing]

If trump decides to go hard ball against Mueller, then we'd be entering constitutional crisis territory. Bannon is pushing him to do just that. We all know trump is extremely abnormal. He's being pushed against the wall now and he always fights back. This could get very, very ugly. 

[Briggsy]

13 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I've read some articles saying Kushner and Trump Jr. are the top candidates for being indicted.

Indicted, yes but flipping and turning prosecution witness on their respective father-in-law/father. I cannot envisage that.