9 hours ago, heybruce said:

The economy is a continuation of the Obama recovery.  No matter how many times that is pointed out, the willfully ignorant refuse to accept it.  Public land is being taken from the public to be exploited by private businesses, not everyone thinks that's a good thing.

 

"lying media outlets exposed"?  You offer a list of lies told by MSM and I'll make a list of lies told by President Trump, and we'll see which list is longer.

 

No matter how many times it is pointed out people refuse to acknowledge that Obama had virtually nothing to do with the economy. That job has been outsourced to the Federal Reserve and has been for some time. He could have had something to do with the economy if he had actually passed legislation that would have paid for his increased spending. Like the 28% corporate tax rate he would chat about to serve his re-election interest but not actually act on. Had he acted then, no one would be talking about how shitty the tax plan on offer now is.

 
No matter how many times it is pointed out people refuse to acknowledge that Obama had virtually nothing to do with the economy. That job has been outsourced to the Federal Reserve and has been for some time. He could have had something to do with the economy if he had actually passed legislation that would have paid for his increased spending. Like the 28% corporate tax rate he would chat about to serve his re-election interest but not actually act on. Had he acted then, no one would be talking about how shitty the tax plan on offer now is.

Nice try, but a Trillion dollar stimulus package is not nothing,

Can we have the tax discussions here:

 

As the above posts mentions, let's keep the tax bill in the referenced topic.   This topic should be geared toward legal or political issues that could result in adverse actions against the administrations and those in the administration.  

 

 

Much, if  not all,  is  about  the  illusion  of  democracy. In a an electoral system  that all  but  eliminates  any  but  the  wealthy  from being  in a  position  to afford  the  gambit,  while   Senators who  take  advantage  of  that  are  permitted   insider  trading  which   maintains  their  wealth  which affords  them  that advantage,  Congressional   lobbying  that  accomodates  only  those  same  or  financially  important  backers.

For  the  majority  there  is  the  inevitable  existence  of being taxed  slaves  to  the  system  they are  led  to  believe  they   have  some  influence  on.

If  there  is  any  danger  that  the  desired  outcome  becomes  under  threat   it  is  corrected  by  interventions under   "constitutional " means  or  by  simply  disallowing   votes .

Unlike  common  law applied  to  the  subserviant where  even  spoken  contracts  are  legally  binding  Political  promises  pending   election  are excempt .

The  saddest    aspect  is  that the  ingrained perception  the  glorious  constitution protects  one  and  all. Believe  it.  Suffer   it. Thats   how   you  get  trumped  !

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Much, if  not all,  is  about  the  illusion  of  democracy. In a an electoral system  that all  but  eliminates  any  but  the  wealthy  from being  in a  position  to afford  the  gambit,  while   Senators who  take  advantage  of  that  are  permitted   insider  trading  which   maintains  their  wealth  which affords  them  that advantage,  Congressional   lobbying  that  accomodates  only  those  same  or  financially  important  backers.

For  the  majority  there  is  the  inevitable  existence  of being taxed  slaves  to  the  system  they are  led  to  believe  they   have  some  influence  on.

If  there  is  any  danger  that  the  desired  outcome  becomes  under  threat   it  is  corrected  by  interventions under   "constitutional " means  or  by  simply  disallowing   votes .

Unlike  common  law applied  to  the  subserviant where  even  spoken  contracts  are  legally  binding  Political  promises  pending   election  are excempt .

The  saddest    aspect  is  that the  ingrained perception  the  glorious  constitution protects  one  and  all. Believe  it.  Suffer   it. Thats   how   you  get  trumped  !

For  the  confused.... research  the  constitutional basis  of  old,  it's  real  purpose.

 

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Much, if  not all,  is  about  the  illusion  of  democracy. In a an electoral system  that all  but  eliminates  any  but  the  wealthy  from being  in a  position  to afford  the  gambit,  while   Senators who  take  advantage  of  that  are  permitted   insider  trading  which   maintains  their  wealth  which affords  them  that advantage,  Congressional   lobbying  that  accomodates  only  those  same  or  financially  important  backers.

For  the  majority  there  is  the  inevitable  existence  of being taxed  slaves  to  the  system  they are  led  to  believe  they   have  some  influence  on.

If  there  is  any  danger  that  the  desired  outcome  becomes  under  threat   it  is  corrected  by  interventions under   "constitutional " means  or  by  simply  disallowing   votes .

Unlike  common  law applied  to  the  subserviant where  even  spoken  contracts  are  legally  binding  Political  promises  pending   election  are excempt .

The  saddest    aspect  is  that the  ingrained perception  the  glorious  constitution protects  one  and  all. Believe  it.  Suffer   it. Thats   how   you  get  trumped  !

Hard to disagree with when we are literally watching it happen before our eyes.  I despair for the U.S.

Trump Jr. refuses to answer questions. Hummmmm......

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363646-trump-jr-interviews-with-house-intel-panel

Off-topic posts removed.   It's not a thread about how economics works -- or doesn't work.

 

 

8 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Trump Jr. refuses to answer questions. Hummmmm......

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363646-trump-jr-interviews-with-house-intel-panel

The Republican Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee didn't challenge Trump Jr.'s refusal to answer based on client-attorney privilege. A charge of contempt of Congress to refuse to answer must be approved by the Chairman. Hummmmm.....

Trump Is Trapped Like A Rat As Robert Mueller Seals His Pardon Escape Hatch

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/07/trump-trapped-rat-robert-muller-seals-pardon-escape-hatch.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/07/politics/donald-trump-approval-rating/index.html

President Donald Trump's approval rating sits at 32%, according to a new poll released by the Pew Research Center, matching the lowest level in any poll on his approval since he took office in January.

The poll also found that disapproval of the President's job performance is at 63%, and just 14% of those who disapprove of his presidential performance say they can think of something he's done that they've been happy with.

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/07/politics/donald-trump-approval-rating/index.html

President Donald Trump's approval rating sits at 32%, according to a new poll released by the Pew Research Center, matching the lowest level in any poll on his approval since he took office in January.

The poll also found that disapproval of the President's job performance is at 63%, and just 14% of those who disapprove of his presidential performance say they can think of something he's done that they've been happy with.

Last sentence, above:  should it be 'can't' instead of 'can' ?

53 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Trump Is Trapped Like A Rat As Robert Mueller Seals His Pardon Escape Hatch

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/12/07/trump-trapped-rat-robert-muller-seals-pardon-escape-hatch.html

As I've pointed out earlier, the pardon itself can be a trap.

While it prevents being convicted and/or sentenced, it does not prevent one from being an unindicted co-conspirator. As such Flynn couldn't invoke the 5th Amendment to refuse testimony. To refuse will earn a contempt of court charge in the obstruction of justice that can include jail time which has no limitation.

But obviously "flipping" Flynn gains many more benefits to Mueller's investigation.

38 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Last sentence, above:  should it be 'can't' instead of 'can' ?

The sentence is correct. 

[The poll also found that disapproval of the President's job performance is at 63%, and just 14% of those who disapprove of his presidential performance say they can think of something he's done that they've been happy with. ]

Which is to say that 86% of the folks who disapprove of Trump can't think of ANYTHING he's done that they're happy with.  I might be part of that 14%...I'm happy that he pardoned those turkeys on Thanksgiving.  But other than that....

 

Just put the word WHEN  infront of the thread.

The drumbeats are getting louder from Fox News commentators - to fire Mueller. The same hysteria wants Mueller's entire team to be trashed.  Naturally, Republican congresspeople are echoing Fox News.   Like Trump, they get their direction from Fox.

 

Republicans are running scared, as they should be.  Their deep bag of dirty tricks has no bottom.  

 

9 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

Republicans are running scared, as they should be.  Their deep bag of dirty tricks has no bottom.  

 

I think all politicians are running a little scared right now and that's not an entirely bad thing.

Many people have been wondering how an old man like trump, obese, bad diet, no exercise, has escaped major health problems.

Welcome to SLURGATE --

 

 

trump brag tweets about a poll --

Quote

• Sexist (54 percent say he is, 32 percent say he isn’t)
• Racist (47 percent say he is, 39 percent say he isn’t)
• Not honest (36 percent say he is, 51 percent say he isn’t)
• Indifferent to “people like me” (36 percent of people think he cares about them, 52 percent don’t)

and

• Unstable (37 percent say he’s stable, 51 percent say he isn’t)

 

 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/trump-impeachment-chances-politico-morning-consult-poll-edition.html

19 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

The drumbeats are getting louder from Fox News commentators - to fire Mueller. The same hysteria wants Mueller's entire team to be trashed.  Naturally, Republican congresspeople are echoing Fox News.   Like Trump, they get their direction from Fox.

 

Republicans are running scared, as they should be.  Their deep bag of dirty tricks has no bottom.  

And, if it did have a bottom, Trump would have grabbed it by now.

A troll commenting on moderation has been removed.

His performance in growing the economy is moving along nicely. Stock Markets are gaining, GDP increasing.

His performance in growing the economy is moving along nicely. Stock Markets are gaining, GDP increasing.

So taking that at face value for now, if high crimes are revealed do you think he still won't be impeached because of the economy?

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So taking that at face value for now, if high crimes are revealed do you think he still won't be impeached because of the economy?

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If?

You’re kidding right?

The orange buffoon must go!!!

Impeach 45!!!

In any event, the economy is just continuing the trajectory initiated by the Obama administration.

If?

You’re kidding right?

The orange buffoon must go!!!

Impeach 45!!!

In any event, the economy is just continuing the trajectory initiated by the Obama administration.

My point was that even proven high crimes doesn't necessarily lead to impeachment. There are political factors.
I think the clown troll should have been pre impeached but it turns out we're stuck with his mess for who knows how long.




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Obama warns.

I could not agree more.

These are dark and dangerous times.

 

 

"FORMER US President Barack Obama said the country’s democracy is under threat and is as fragile as Germany’s was in the lead-up to the Nazis taking power."

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/barack-obama-issues-dire-warning-on-the-future-of-the-usa/news-story/3990af9c2e5cf36931fb5834d3aeb468

 

 

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8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Obama warns.

I could not agree more.

These are dark and dangerous times.

 

"FORMER US President Barack Obama said the country’s democracy is under threat and is as fragile as Germany’s was in the lead-up to the Nazis taking power."

 

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/barack-obama-issues-dire-warning-on-the-future-of-the-usa/news-story/3990af9c2e5cf36931fb5834d3aeb468

 

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The Trump administration has been considering a set of proposals from Blackwater founder Erik Prince, Iran-Contra figure Oliver North, and a retired CIA officer to create a new private intelligence service that would report directly to the White House and the CIA director, circumventing official intelligence community channels. 

 

https://nypost.com/2017/12/05/trump-reportedly-wants-secret-spy-network-to-combat-the-deep-state/

15 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

His performance in growing the economy is moving along nicely. Stock Markets are gaining, GDP increasing.

Nate Silver’s 538 Just Exposed Trump’s Job Creation Boasts As Total Bullsh*t

 

http://verifiedpolitics.com/nate-silvers-538-just-exposed-trumps-job-creation-boasts-total-bullsht/

346 pages and a year into his Presidency.....Has Donald Trump been impeached yet???? Wake me up when he is....