PCX 150 WTH?

[sup3r1or]

Hello everyone, 

 

I was looking into picking one of these up for a while. Remember popping to Green Wing last year and brand new PCX 150 was quoted to me at 68K. Just went to Green wing yesterday and new model is already 91k. Why such a huge price increase? They couldn't explain me.  The bike is the same, only new feature is the electronic key, which cant possibly rake up almost 20k on top. 

What are similar alternatives? 

Did you have any experience to buy second hand?

 

I am looking for finance. 

[Delight]

 As an aside the new PCX has a 153 cc engine. The original 150 PCX 138 cc

 

I have just purchased a  new Yamaha Aerox ABS  . Has all the bells and whistles

73000 Baht plus extra 2000 baht  for plate etc.

155 cc . Terrific machine.

 

Suspect your need for finance will require the purchase of  a new machine

 

 

 

[sup3r1or]

I was looking at it but triangular panels limit leg space and its is uncomfortable. I am also looking at NMAX seems interesting. Too bad no 12V output like on pcx. So 15 extra CC bumps up the price so much lol?

I saw some second hand shops online who also do finance. 

[johng]

91k for a 150cc scooter !
yes its a popular choice but come on its getting expensive.

You can get a brand new Honda Wave (110 Fi disk brake )for about 40,000 baht or look for a second hand PCX for upto 30,000 baht...thats1/3 of the price...get a USB charging port added at any roadside shop.

[sup3r1or]

I know thats what got me pissed off. The only reason I looked at PCX is good size compartment and fuel tank and comfortable position.

 

Any second hand shops that sell in finance around?

[AllanB]

In my town there are always S/H PCX's around, so finding one should be easy, overpriced, but TIT.

 

I know everyone says they are comfortable, but I found that after 20km or so, the odd shaped seat pushed me forward gave me really bad back ache.

 

Also the suspension bottoms out easily with two on board.

 

A boring ride too...maybe I expect too much.

[Richard-BKK]

On 7/12/2017 at 4:24 PM, Delight said:

 As an aside the new PCX has a 153 cc engine. The original 150 PCX 138 cc

 

I have just purchased a  new Yamaha Aerox ABS  . Has all the bells and whistles

73000 Baht plus extra 2000 baht  for plate etc.

155 cc . Terrific machine.

 

Suspect your need for finance will require the purchase of  a new machine

 

 

 

The new Honda PCX150 with Smart Key is just a 149.3cc single-cylinder nothing special...

[sup3r1or]

So what is special? I am not looking at the big bikes at the moment. Just for a scooter to commute with some storage space and a bigger fuel tank

[Ahnsahn]

On 7/13/2017 at 1:23 PM, AllanB said:

In my town there are always S/H PCX's around, so finding one should be easy, overpriced, but TIT.

 

I know everyone says they are comfortable, but I found that after 20km or so, the odd shaped seat pushed me forward gave me really bad back ache.

 

Also the suspension bottoms out easily with two on board.

 

A boring ride too...maybe I expect too much.

Suspension bottoming out on these scooters is easily(?) remedied by replacing lack less OEM shocks with a pair of nice performing after market shocks.... Increase the tire air pressure when riding passengers.
 

[AllanB]

1 hour ago, Ahnsahn said:

Suspension bottoming out on these scooters is easily(?) remedied by replacing lack less OEM shocks with a pair of nice performing after market shocks.... Increase the tire air pressure when riding passengers.
 

I "heard" that is screws up the ride quality, but maybe they fixed this obvious problem on the new model. Seems a bit odd that a company like Honda would build a bike clearly for two, that can't carry two. And this is not just Asian models, I inquired here in Portugal where they sell a lot and they said the same, up-rate the spring/shocks.

 

MrsB is only just over 50kg a we bottomed out a couple of times...and these bikes are sold in America 

 

Other than that they are cheap bikes even here (the 125cc) and certainly look the part size wise.

 

I got to ride one on a 300km trip to Udon Thani, where we swapped bikes with my NV400, so I got to ride it 100km, highway and some town, he sold the bike shortly after he got back. That is why I said boring, but no problems. So as a commuter bike for one, ideal, I would say...and we got 120mpg, imperial g.

[Richard-BKK]

Original the Honda PCX150 was equipped with a 152.9cc engine, but the latest model has been downgraded to a 149.3cc engine.

 

It really looks like Honda wants to give the small scooter market to Yamaha, as the Yamaha Nmax 155 comes with Variable Valve Timing, 155cc engine that is like years ahead of what Honda has done with the latest engine....

 

 

 

Because the Honda PCX150 is now below 150cc, the only positive thing is that you pay less tax... but how much is that for one year..... :)

[Nickymaster]

Can't go wrong with both. Me, I would buy the one that has the most comfortable seating position


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[Ahnsahn]

22 hours ago, Richard-BKK said:

Original the Honda PCX150 was equipped with a 152.9cc engine, but the latest model has been downgraded to a 149.3cc engine.

 

It really looks like Honda wants to give the small scooter market to Yamaha, as the Yamaha Nmax 155 comes with Variable Valve Timing, 155cc engine that is like years ahead of what Honda has done with the latest engine....

 

 

 

Because the Honda PCX150 is now below 150cc, the only positive thing is that you pay less tax... but how much is that for one year..... :)

 

22 hours ago, Nickymaster said:

Can't go wrong with both. Me, I would buy the one that has the most comfortable seating position


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Has anyone seen any official press releases of Honda's immediate future plans for their next PCX and Forza models or any new scooter model releases under 600cc? I find it strange that they discontinue Forza 300 sales in the US market w/o explanation.

My hope is that Honda is developing new models for the LOS market based on the looks and specs of their successful Forza 125 - UK model. http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/scooter/forza-125/overview.html

[speedtripler]

On 14/07/2017 at 5:14 PM, Richard-BKK said:

Original the Honda PCX150 was equipped with a 152.9cc engine, but the latest model has been downgraded to a 149.3cc engine.

 

It really looks like Honda wants to give the small scooter market to Yamaha, as the Yamaha Nmax 155 comes with Variable Valve Timing, 155cc engine that is like years ahead of what Honda has done with the latest engine....

 

 

 

Because the Honda PCX150 is now below 150cc, the only positive thing is that you pay less tax... but how much is that for one year..... :)

Even with 3cc less the pcx can beat the nmax in a drag race (YouTube it) 

Its smoother 

Its got the bigger tank and range 

And it also manages to be more economical from reviews I've  read

 

But I still prefer Yamaha bikes... 

 

[sup3r1or]

Why Nmax as a new bike has less tech than Exciter? Apart from 2 discs abs it lacks everything that exciter and pcx has. But riding position on exciter is horrible.

[speedtripler]

7 hours ago, sup3r1or said:

Why Nmax as a new bike has less tech than Exciter? Apart from 2 discs abs it lacks everything that exciter and pcx has. But riding position on exciter is horrible.

You should test  the aerox 155

It's much better than anything in that size range

[sup3r1or]

Yeah sorry I got them confused I wasn't talking about Exciter, I was talking about Aerox. 

I sat on it at the shop 2 days, ago, I love the looks but the riding position is so high, like you put a chair on top of the bike. Also the knees are literally 2 mm away from plastic

[speedtripler]

Just now, sup3r1or said:

Yeah sorry I got them confused I wasn't talking about Exciter, I was talking about Aerox. 

I sat on it at the shop 2 days, ago, I love the looks but the riding position is so high, like you put a chair on top of the bike. Also the knees are literally 2 mm away from plastic

You need to rent one to appreciate it, 

I rented the aerox for half a week and the nmax for the other half 

I left the nmax back early and ten minutes later bought an aerox.... 

 

The blue one is the rental and the black one is mine! :) 

[BTB1977]

The N max small gas tank and poor  mileage compaired to the honda. I ride with a group of scooter boys on the weekends . The N max group has to stop for gas when I still have half a tank. Yes you pay more for the honda up front but you will be happier with it. The higher price is also a higher resale when you decide to sell it. One member of our group had a brand new N max. We traded bikes for about one hour. The only thing I liked about the N max was the rear disc brakes. He sold his yamaha after 1,000 klm and bought a new PCX. 

[BTB1977]

2018 PCX base price 88,000 . Just spoke with my Honda shop here in hua hin today.  Clearing out the 18s before the 19s come.  They would not tell me when the 19s will be here.  They said I don't know.  My questing is they know but want to sell as many 18s as they can.  

[jackdd]

On 7/12/2017 at 4:19 PM, sup3r1or said:

Remember popping to Green Wing last year and brand new PCX 150 was quoted to me at 68K.

You just remember this wrong

Here a news for the 2016 model, as you can see it was 88k and not 68k https://www.bikeandmotor.com/bike/new-honda-pcx150/

If you think about financing you should not think about the price anyway, because you will pay another 10-30k, depending on how long you finance, on top just for interest. If you want a good deal buy a second hand one without finance.

 

On 7/23/2018 at 3:58 PM, BTB1977 said:

2018 PCX base price 88,000 . Just spoke with my Honda shop here in hua hin today.  Clearing out the 18s before the 19s come.  They would not tell me when the 19s will be here.  They said I don't know.  My questing is they know but want to sell as many 18s as they can.  

The 2019 model will most likely be released end of this year and you can get it beginning of next year, that's about how it was last/this year with the current model. Of course dealers try to sell as many as they can, that's their job ?

And they really don't know when new bikes are here, Honda does not tell them exactly.

[gmac]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

You just remember this wrong

Here a news for the 2016 model, as you can see it was 88k and not 68k https://www.bikeandmotor.com/bike/new-honda-pcx150/

If you think about financing you should not think about the price anyway, because you will pay another 10-30k, depending on how long you finance, on top just for interest. If you want a good deal buy a second hand one without finance.

 

The 2019 model will most likely be released end of this year and you can get it beginning of next year, that's about how it was last/this year with the current model. Of course dealers try to sell as many as they can, that's their job ?

And they really don't know when new bikes are here, Honda does not tell them exactly.

That 68k price was roughly what they were sold for 8-9 years ago when I bought my first one, I actually paid 69K and was shocked recently to be quoted 96k for a new one!  I was hoping they had reversed the figure.......in my dreams!

[transam]

I bought one of the first PCX 125cc in Ubon in 2009, think it was 72,000bht.

 

It is still going strong with no ploblems at all. Battery at 5 years, brakes relined at 7 years.

[uwe_rayong]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

 

 

The 2019 model will most likely be released end of this year and you can get it beginning of next year, that's about how it was last/this year with the current model. Of course dealers try to sell as many as they can, that's their job ?

 

I don`t think Honda will release a new  PCX in the next 6 month, because just 10 days ago Honda Thailand presented the "all new PCX Hybrid"?.
According Honda prices around 120k THB, on sale in September?

That Hybrid thing is identical with the current model apart from the Hybrid technique and a mode selector.
So if a tree hugging Honda Customer forks out 120k THB (probably more like 130k THB) in September, I don`t believe that this customer is too happy, if Honda releases a shiny "all new PCX 2019" in December and his expensive 2018 Hybrid  looks like an old model....?

 

Price politics of the Honda dealers is also very questionable. They sale for whatever they like and most times above the suggested Honda prices. 

The official Honda Price for the current PCX is 82300 THB. When Honda released the updated model, the price was on the website from aphonda.com.

Couple of month later they deleted that info. In my area the going rate for a PCX 2018 in January was 98000 THB, sale only on Finance for 1.59% per month. 

I asked for a cash price. Answer: Not enough stock, now we sale only to customers with finance. If you stupid enough to pay 36 month, that 82300 THB bike, costed you around 150,000 THB.
Last month the price was 89000 THB, so still almost 7k over the msr but now they ok if you pay cash.

What was new on the updated version from 12/2017? Improved light, nicer looking cockpit and what else?

 

Almost 90k THB for a 150ccm in 2018 without ABS is a joke and it is even more a joke, as in other countries Honda sales the same bike with ABS.

Just in Thailand it is not necessary as the local market loves that model so much, they spend more money for less bike and still happy... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ktm jeff]

BTB 1977. Thats one of the worst things about Honda "dealers" , is their overpricing. The suggested / recommended price is 82,300 and yet the dealers are charging people 98,000 , and worse still , only letting you buy it on finance , so it costs you  150,000 in total. Total rip-off. Just buy a Yamaha N-Max for 80+ and be safe and happy with ABS.

[jackdd]

1 hour ago, ktm jeff said:

BTB 1977. Thats one of the worst things about Honda "dealers" , is their overpricing. The suggested / recommended price is 82,300 and yet the dealers are charging people 98,000 , and worse still , only letting you buy it on finance , so it costs you  150,000 in total. Total rip-off. Just buy a Yamaha N-Max for 80+ and be safe and happy with ABS.

But this has at least one of these two reasons:

The market demands more bikes than Honda can produce

The margin which Honda assumed in their "official price" is just too low for dealers to be profitable

In either case i think it's reasonable that the dealers increase their price, i would do the same if i were a dealer and presented with this situation.

It's not like condos, houses or land which are priced high even though nobody buys them.

 

Of course as a buyer this would make me buy a Yamaha N-Max, but different people have different preferences.

[ktm jeff]

jackdd , your points are valid. Supply and demand. However we are talking about a mass produced scooter. I always wonder if the buyers of Hondas have even bothered to look if there are better bikes available , or has just blindly purchased another higher priced but lower spec Honda because that is what "everyone" else has one. Honda once had over 80% of the market share. Maybe  they still think they do , and so believe they can overprice their products by 25%.. It would be interesting to know how much Hondas market share has fallen. Im sure far less new bikes being sold now are Honda.

[alx123]

Yamaha will give Honda a run for their money in a few years..

[moe666]

On 7/14/2017 at 5:14 PM, Richard-BKK said:

Original the Honda PCX150 was equipped with a 152.9cc engine, but the latest model has been downgraded to a 149.3cc engine.

 

It really looks like Honda wants to give the small scooter market to Yamaha, as the Yamaha Nmax 155 comes with Variable Valve Timing, 155cc engine that is like years ahead of what Honda has done with the latest engine....

 

 

 

Because the Honda PCX150 is now below 150cc, the only positive thing is that you pay less tax... but how much is that for one year..... ?

I believe the orginal PCX was a 125 then it was upgraded to 150cc or 153cc as stated on my green book. I believe a couple of years ago they were down graded to the 149cc

[Lacessit]

I'd probably buy one if it is step-through. Has more power for the mountains. I'll stick with my trusty Yamaha TTX meantime.

Don't understand why Honda is at a premium here, Yamahas seem to be just as good.