lawyer cancelled contract

[beachproperty]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

We now know what sort of lawyer you claim to be.

 

Conducting due diligence in itself is not a problem and if no problems are encountered, then there's no problem.  However, if said due diligence does indicate a problem then surely the problem has been avoided.

 

How about getting a Thai lawyer to notarize a Thai document because it is legally required. The problem arises when you DON'T get the Thai lawyers notarization.

Anytime .....and I mean Anytime ....you need someone else to do something....its a problem. It's a problem because you CAN"T do it yourself

[NanLaew]

13 hours ago, LolaS said:

thank you very much for answers,

no I have only invoice with a description of service, not with terms and condition.

 

However, I initially requested terms and condition to be written, since that is how we do in Europe. However, I was politely decline that such a thing is not applied in Thailand but that lawyers in thailand have some kind of ethic code, and that everything is there, I was like am not sure that everything is there, can we write it down? and this company, very famoust, who is elder member of thai visa know this company well bcs they had special part for them on this foroum, and they told me 3 time NO. so I go to other, second best but he was bussy and recommended his friend, she looked like an expert.  but huge disappointment, I am happy to leave her money for consultation and bureaucracy fee, but to be real, i gave her all info plus writen interpration of law and help her with seaking additional opinion. her friend told me , SHE DID everything she good. maybe but still not effective

Since this was something that involved foreign documentary requirements, it is possible that since Thailand isn't a signatory to the Apostille Convention, the Thai lawyer could not deliver documents that would satisfy the foreign parties involved?

[inThailand]

"lawyers in thailand have some kind of ethic code". ?

 

Yes they have their own EC, it's called Extract Cash.

[KittenKong]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Then, as in the case of the shonky wall builder, there's civil court to pursue perceived wrongs.

 

Unless the average Joe are themselves (in this instance) either a lawyer or a builder, they don't have the expertise to decide categorically that the lawyer or the builder were incompetent or lazy. It's relatively easy to see if a builder is doing a rubbish job during the job but a lawyer working in their office is more difficult to assess. Of course it is easy to confuse what was wanted with what was expected.

 

My point was that if one party does not fulfil their part of the deal then the other party does not have to fulfil his either. In this instance the lawyer did not do whatever was asked of him therefore as a client I would not consider myself bound to pay his bill. If the lawyer (or builder) thinks that they did do the job properly then they can always take the client to court to insist on payment but in these circumstances I would not fancy their chances.

 

Especially as in this case the lawyer admitted that "it is too complicated and stressful" which to me just means that the lawyer is incompetent or lazy. Personally I don't need lawyers that only take on easy and relaxed cases.

[beachproperty]

13 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

 

My point was that if one party does not fulfil their part of the deal then the other party does not have to fulfil his either. In this instance the lawyer did not do whatever was asked of him therefore as a client I would not consider myself bound to pay his bill. If the lawyer (or builder) thinks that they did do the job properly then they can always take the client to court to insist on payment but in these circumstances I would not fancy their chances.

 

Especially as in this case the lawyer admitted that "it is too complicated and stressful" which to me just means that the lawyer is incompetent or lazy. Personally I don't need lawyers that only take on easy and relaxed cases.

It seems pretty straight forward to me......OP "paid" (in advance) said lawyer to represent her in this matter. AND represent her she did ....may not have gotten what she wanted BUT she was represented and therefor the attorney was entitled to a fee! Considering the vagueness of what we know (AND only one side!) and considering it would be a Thai Court hearing it.....

 

Which side do you think will prevail?

[inThailand]

A Thai attorney returning fees? Really, has anyone ever heard this before?

 

I think the attorney is feeling guilty, but why?

Money monkey business?

 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, inThailand said:

A Thai attorney returning fees? Really, has anyone ever heard this before?

 

I think the attorney is feeling guilty, but why?

Money monkey business?

 

In a post in another, lawyer-related thread, I reported that after finding that the work requested of a Thai lawyer was superfluous, they happily refunded the retainer I paid them 100%.

 

Same thing happened a few years earlier with a Thai real estate company.

[LolaS]

I dont understand you.. she explicitly said. I didn't do a good job, I overestimated case, I tried hard, which she did, but she didnt followed my order, she follows her way...thai way, bcs that is how suppose to be done, although I did it already. 

She told me also, I didn't mention this. Maybe I should. Institution from who you requested data and documents is too powerful, dont piss them off bcs can sue u if...since they have history. I was like, yeah I know that is why  I hired lawyer to collect me documents. 

Nothing happened and she doesnt want to risk any complication

[NanLaew]

19 minutes ago, LolaS said:

I dont understand you.. she explicitly said. I didn't do a good job, I overestimated case, I tried hard, which she did, but she didnt followed my order, she follows her way...thai way, bcs that is how suppose to be done, although I did it already. 

She told me also, I didn't mention this. Maybe I should. Institution from who you requested data and documents is too powerful, dont piss them off bcs can sue u if...since they have history. I was like, yeah I know that is why  I hired lawyer to collect me documents. 

Nothing happened and she doesnt want to risk any complication

Typically one retains a lawyer to do things the legal way. Whether a Thai lawyer does it 'her way' or the 'Thai way' is mostly irrelevant. If the lawyer deviated from what you suggested was the best way to proceed, you should have called off the agreement at that juncture. In my experience, asking a lawyer to do something in some preferred or possibly unorthodox way only worked when the lawyer I retained was brand new and didn't know exactly what he was up against. He was well versed in US Immigration and Labor laws (the fundamentals of my case at the time) but he didn't know who he was dealing with with regard to a bullying US corporate entity. I only assisted with his navigation through that latter aspect.

 

Overall it appears that you retained a lawyer to obtain 'data and documents' possibly from a foreign source (this is not at all clear). I would suggest that since it is her job and license that could be threatened by this dubious 'institution' with some sort of untold 'history' of litigation, she was probably very smart to withdraw. Do you think there's any other reason that the law office you initially contacted may have suddenly been 'too busy' to take on your case?

 

You may want to try and run this by a larger, foreign international law office with Bangkok representation and accreditation. They also do free consultations and most assuredly will not lead you on.

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, beachproperty said:

Anytime .....and I mean Anytime ....you need someone else to do something....its a problem. It's a problem because you CAN"T do it yourself

You are not a lawyer, you can't write a proper sentence.

[beachproperty]

26 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

You are not a lawyer, you can't write a proper sentence.

Ahhhh....but I did get my point across! AND, anyway I had secretaries for correcting the grammar in my pleadings!

 

Never said I was an English teacher!

 

But, then again, you are off topic which is about OP's problem with her attorney (which is not me).

[LolaS]

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Typically one retains a lawyer to do things the legal way. Whether a Thai lawyer does it 'her way' or the 'Thai way' is mostly irrelevant. If the lawyer deviated from what you suggested was the best way to proceed, you should have called off the agreement at that juncture. In my experience, asking a lawyer to do something in some preferred or possibly unorthodox way only worked when the lawyer I retained was brand new and didn't know exactly what he was up against. He was well versed in US Immigration and Labor laws (the fundamentals of my case at the time) but he didn't know who he was dealing with with regard to a bullying US corporate entity. I only assisted with his navigation through that latter aspect.

 

Overall it appears that you retained a lawyer to obtain 'data and documents' possibly from a foreign source (this is not at all clear). I would suggest that since it is her job and license that could be threatened by this dubious 'institution' with some sort of untold 'history' of litigation, she was probably very smart to withdraw. Do you think there's any other reason that the law office you initially contacted may have suddenly been 'too busy' to take on your case?

 

You may want to try and run this by a larger, foreign international law office with Bangkok representation and accreditation. They also do free consultations and most assuredly will not lead you on.

yes,. this was Thai organization.

[KittenKong]

11 hours ago, beachproperty said:

OP "paid" (in advance)

 

More fool him(/her).

 

Never pay for anything in advance in Thailand.

 

[Rancid]

Sir Humphrey Appleby would be proud, a bureaucratic system so convoluted and inane that even lawyers give up in despair.

[LolaS]

it is requirement to pay before, please let me know o fname of lawyer who doesnt take advance

[bill59]

Where is she licensed? You should be able to file a complaint with her bar. I'm a lawyer and what she did was incredibly unethical. But if she's a Thai lawyer who knows.


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[beachproperty]

12 minutes ago, bill59 said:

Where is she licensed? You should be able to file a complaint with her bar. I'm a lawyer and what she did was incredibly unethical. But if she's a Thai lawyer who knows.


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Its even MORE unethical to give legal advice when you don't know the WHOLE situation!