Trump condemns 'hate' after protest violence in Virginia

iReason · August 16, 2017

Obama's response to Charlottesville is now the most 'liked' tweet of all time

"The first of his series of threaded tweets has accumulated about 2.8 million "likes," making it the most approved of tweet of all time."

"Citing Nelson Mandela, Obama wrote, "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love ... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."

Bravo sir.

That's how it's done.

What a contrast to the sour, crass ignorant one and his Deplorables.

Fortunately, that already small minority is shrinking.

Eventually relegated to the dark recesses of history.

Meljames · August 16, 2017

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Antifa’s violent tactics have elicited substantial support from the mainstream left.

As members of a largely anarchist movement, antifascists don’t want the government to stop white supremacists from gathering. They want to do so themselves, rendering the government impotent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

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"What they're trying to do now is not only become prominent through violence at these high-profile rallies, but also to reach out through small meetings and through social networking to cultivate disenfranchised progressives who heretofore were peaceful," Levin said.

"And so we go to cause conflict, to shut them down where they are, because we don't believe that Nazis or fascists of any stripe should have a mouthpiece."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html

A couple of quotes some from 2 left-wing Trump hating rags explaining antifa.

In a nutshell antifa are violence espousing thugs, same as the fascist white supremacists they claim to be fighting. A bit ironic-(maybe not)- that their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS.For this group to continue to grow in numbers and support will be for both sides to up their ante and fight back harder with increased violence and attention seeking tactics. It's been played out before under different names .

My opinion; times like these it's good to remember MLK, Gandhi, Mandela et al.

iReason · August 16, 2017

7 minutes ago, Meljames said:

In a nutshell antifa are violence espousing thugs, same as the fascist white supremacists they claim to be fighting.

A bit ironic-(maybe not)- that their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS.

"their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS."

Hysterical hyperbolic gibberish.

Actually, I'd been wondering how long it would be before some Deplorable would invoke that mantra.

Shameless.

Thakkar · August 16, 2017

27 minutes ago, Meljames said:

A couple of quotes some from 2 left-wing Trump hating rags explaining antifa.

In a nutshell antifa are violence espousing thugs, same as the fascist white supremacists they claim to be fighting. A bit ironic-(maybe not)- that their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS.For this group to continue to grow in numbers and support will be for both sides to up their ante and fight back harder with increased violence and attention seeking tactics. It's been played out before under different names .

My opinion; times like these it's good to remember MLK, Gandhi, Mandela et al.

You are deliberately not seeing the difference.

Antifa have one kind of enemy: sexists and racists. These types should be all our enemies.

White supremacists have the following enemies: Jews, blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, browns, communists and liberals. Anyone who is not white and opposes white supremacy, which is pretty much most of the world.

While one group espouses violence against hate mongers, the other group espouses violence against anyone who opposes white supremacy. Allied troops fighting the Axis powers did not make the Allied troops the same as the Axis powers.

Recruiting methods: Trump uses the alphabet to write words. That doesn't not make him Charles Manson or Jack the Ripper who also used the alphabet to write words.

Don't try and create an equivalence where none exists.

ilostmypassword · August 16, 2017

34 minutes ago, Meljames said:

A couple of quotes some from 2 left-wing Trump hating rags explaining antifa.

In a nutshell antifa are violence espousing thugs, same as the fascist white supremacists they claim to be fighting. A bit ironic-(maybe not)- that their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS.For this group to continue to grow in numbers and support will be for both sides to up their ante and fight back harder with increased violence and attention seeking tactics. It's been played out before under different names .

My opinion; times like these it's good to remember MLK, Gandhi, Mandela et al.

You're a bit confused. The ANC was not an organization that espoused nonviolence. Nor, given the nature of their opposition, should they have been.

RobFord · August 16, 2017

You are deliberately not seeing the difference.

Antifa have one kind of enemy: sexists and racists. These types should be all our enemies.

White supremacists have the following enemies: Jews, blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, browns, communists and liberals. Anyone who is not white and opposes white supremacy, which is pretty much most of the world.

While one group espouses violence against hate mongers, the other group espouses violence against anyone who opposes white supremacy. Allied troops fighting the Axis powers did not make the Allied troops the same as the Axis powers.

Recruiting methods: Trump uses the alphabet to write words. That doesn't not make him Charles Manson or Jack the Ripper who also used the alphabet to write words.

Don't try and create an equivalence where none exists.

Meljames concluding opinion drips with sincerity.

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habanero · August 16, 2017

On 8/13/2017 at 8:51 AM, boomerangutang said:

I know 4 year olds who can condemn hate. I heard his response speech was tepid, and didn't focus on any group. Rather like Rodney King saying, 'why can't we all get along?' After Trump's flaccid response, he walked out without fielding any questions. Right-wingers responded to Trump's response with, "Yay, he's still our guy!"

There are soooooo many reasons Trump should be tossed out the exit door. I wish I could say he's just ignorant and ineffectual, but in fact, he's much worse.......

Let's not forget quotes from the NY Times

"Comparing Antifa to Mr. Fields’s act is like “comparing a propeller plane to a C-130 transport,” said Brian Levin, the director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino".

If I'm not mistaken, a C-130 has four of them. So, what is the comparison?

Yeah, and an AR-15 is an automatic weapon...LOL.

Do any of these liberal so called journalist have a clue about anything, before they write about it?

Yes, I know that is an AC-130 Gunship. Thought I would add to the drama.

Edited August 16, 2017 by habanero

mtls2005 · August 16, 2017

GoDaddy and Google expel Daily Stormer over victim smear

A notorious US neo-Nazi website is being forced to switch domain name providers for a second time in a day after it disparaged a woman who died during protests in Virginia. On Monday morning, the Daily Stormer was given 24 hours to move by GoDaddy. The site was then briefly registered via Google before it acted likewise.

Heather Heyer was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.

"The domain is no longer at GoDaddy and we don't host the site," the Arizona-based company tweeted at 17:51 BST.
Just over an hour later Google issued its own statement: "We are canceling Daily Stormer's registration with Google Domains for violating our terms of service."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40922029

This site can’t be reached

www.dailystormer.com’s server DNS address could not be found.
Try:
Checking the connection
Checking the proxy, firewall, and DNS configuration
Running Windows Network Diagnostics
ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED

Wow, some nasty headlines there...One with the title "Jewish Problem" is probably not about finding decent bagels in your neighborhood.

Meanwhile, the inept one shrinks back into his Ivory Tower looking for his silver spoons...

Puhlease, all gold baby.

Edited August 16, 2017 by mtls2005

heybruce · August 16, 2017

1 hour ago, Meljames said:

A couple of quotes some from 2 left-wing Trump hating rags explaining antifa.

In a nutshell antifa are violence espousing thugs, same as the fascist white supremacists they claim to be fighting. A bit ironic-(maybe not)- that their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS.For this group to continue to grow in numbers and support will be for both sides to up their ante and fight back harder with increased violence and attention seeking tactics. It's been played out before under different names .

My opinion; times like these it's good to remember MLK, Gandhi, Mandela et al.

"In a nutshell antifa are violence espousing thugs..."

You keep posting things like this, but I don't recall any specific, credibly sourced violent act attributed to antifa.

"...that their recruitment technique is similar in approach to Al Queda and IS..."

Well yes, they recruit using the internet. Lots of organizations do. Can you give us any other similarities?

RobFord · August 16, 2017

GoDaddy and Google expel Daily Stormer over victim smear

A notorious US neo-Nazi website is being forced to switch domain name providers for a second time in a day after it disparaged a woman who died during protests in Virginia. On Monday morning, the Daily Stormer was given 24 hours to move by GoDaddy. The site was then briefly registered via Google before it acted likewise.

Heather Heyer was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.

"The domain is no longer at GoDaddy and we don't host the site," the Arizona-based company tweeted at 17:51 BST.
Just over an hour later Google issued its own statement: "We are canceling Daily Stormer's registration with Google Domains for violating our terms of service."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40922029

This site can’t be reached
www.dailystormer.com’s server DNS address could not be found.
Try:
Checking the connection
Checking the proxy, firewall, and DNS configuration
Running Windows Network Diagnostics
ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED

Wow, some nasty headlines there...One with the title "Jewish Problem" is probably not about finding decent bagels in your neighborhood.

Meanwhile, the inept one shrinks back into his Ivory Tower looking for his silver spoons...

Puhlease, all gold baby.

And others. Hopefully enough is finally becoming enough.

It's not just domain registrars and game chat services that are cracking down on neo-Nazis in the wake of the racism-fuelled violence in Charlottesville. Facebook and Reddit have both confirmed that they've shut down numerous hate groups in the wake of the attacks. Reddit tells CNET that it shut down the /r/Physical_Removal subreddit for content that "incites violence" and thus violates its content policy. Users in the group hoped that people in anti-hate subreddits and at CNN would be killed, supported concentration camps and even wrote poems about killing.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/15/facebook-and-reddit-ban-hate-groups/

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RobFord · August 16, 2017

a handful of them (perfect definition of a circle jerk btw) gather on these threads to share links from the internet that back up their erroneous theories. of course, we all know that the media is upset with trump for thrashing their chosen candidate and making them look like novices…so there are no shortage of media links….but thats all they have. Zero independent thought or personal assessment of a situation. Be gentle to them…they're in their golden years and easily upset. lol.

Well it's official Holmes, you're ok, you can have a circle jerk of two.

Enjoy.

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iReason · August 16, 2017

Daily Stormer forced on to dark web while Reddit and Facebook ban hate groups

"American neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer has moved on to the so-called dark web in an attempt to stay operational, following cyber-attacks by hacker group Anonymous and the cancellation of the site’s original domain name."

"GoDaddy – the internet domain registrar and web hosting service – and Google cancelled the Daily Stormer’s domain name registration on Sunday, saying that they prohibit clients from using their sites to incite violence."

"Its operation may be short-lived, as other sites forced on to the dark web have found it difficult to stay operational under attack from hacking groups."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/16/daily-stormer-forced-dark-web-reddit-facebook-ban-hate-groups#img-2

Excellent news.

Relegated to the Dark reccesses.

Thakkar · August 16, 2017

2 minutes ago, iReason said:

Daily Stormer forced on to dark web while Reddit and Facebook ban hate groups

<snip>

Excellent news.

Relegated to the Dark reccesses.

They have their heads up their asses much of the time, so they should be used to the dark!

iReason · August 16, 2017

Daily Stormer editor who joked about Charlottesville protester killed in car attack 'amused' by death threats

"The founder of a white supremacist website who elicited widespread condemnation for his viral blog post mocking a woman's death at Saturday's white nationalist rally in Charlottesville says he's received death threats since suggesting 32-year-old Heather Heyer was a “drain on society” because she was unmarried and childless."

"He offered no apology, but instead doubled down in his view that,

“Women who don't have children are abandoning their natural duty and breaking the social contract, and they should be ostracised for it.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charlottesville-latest-daily-stormer-editor-death-threats-heather-heyer-blog-viral-andrew-anglin-a7895611.html

Edited August 16, 2017 by iReason

Thakkar · August 16, 2017

Faizz (@fzc77)
16/8/2017, 2:24 PM TRUMP:Mexicans are bad TRUMP:Muslims are bad TRUMP:Media are bad EVERYONE:what about Nazis TRUMP: let's not single anyone out #ImpeachTrump

JHolmesJr · August 16, 2017

3 hours ago, iReason said:

Obama's response to Charlottesville is now the most 'liked' tweet of all time

"The first of his series of threaded tweets has accumulated about 2.8 million "likes," making it the most approved of tweet of all time."

He plays youse guys like a fiddle, doesn't he?

#pcfeelgoodvibesbybarry

Edited August 16, 2017 by JHolmesJr

JCauto · August 16, 2017

13 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

He plays youse guys like a fiddle, doesn't he?

#pcfeelgoodvibesbybarry

I know! Imagine, being on the right side of history and providing leadership to the majority of Americans, rather than a narrow group of narrow-minded bigots. I guess that's what you'll have to do, imagine having competent leadership, because what we got ain't getting any better any time soon.

So tell us JHolmesJr, what is it that the mean ol' libtards did to make you so angry? Did you not achieve your full potential? Why so bitter?

RobFord · August 16, 2017

He plays youse guys like a fiddle, doesn't he?

#pcfeelgoodvibesbybarry

I noted your avatar. Are you like a big hulk hogan fanboy?

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iReason · August 16, 2017

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

He plays youse guys like a fiddle, doesn't he?

#pcfeelgoodvibesbybarry

Tired of losing?

Again?

Tired of your pick doing nothing?

Even 'tho he has the majority of Congress?

I think deep down, you know you backed a loser.

It hurts and you're compelled to lash out.

It might not be too late for you to flee the Dark Side 'tho. (that small and diminishing minority)

'Cause it's all downhill from here.

Your pick will be run out of Dodge in disgrace.

Thakkar · August 16, 2017

This is a prescient speech. I think it important enough to cross post on two active threads:

Donald Trump built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. He is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the Republican Party. It's a disturbing preview of what kind of president he'd be.

A man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far dark reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.

Some people still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. They hope that he will eventually reinvent himself- that there's a kinder, gentler more responsible Trump waiting in the wings somewhere. But here's the hard truth: there is no other Donald Trump. This is it. This is someone who retweets white supremacists online, like the user who goes by the name "white-genocide-TM"

Trump took this fringe bigot with a few dozen followers and spread his message to 11 million people. When asked in a nationally televised interview whether he would disavow the support of David Duke, a former grand wizard of the KKK, Trump wouldn't do it. And only later, under mounting pressure did he backtrack.

No one should have any illusions about what's really going on here. The names may have changed. Racists now call themselves 'racialists.' White supremacists now call themselves 'white nationalists.' The paranoid fringe now called itself 'alt-right.' But the hate burns just as bright.

This is about who we are as a nation, it's about the kind of example we want to set for our children. Next time you see Trump on TV, think about all the children listening. You know kids hear a lot more than we think.

iReason · August 16, 2017

Fox News, Daily Caller delete posts encouraging people to drive through protests

"Months before a man allegedly turned his vehicle into a weapon and plowed through a group of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia,

an article that made the rounds in conservative media encouraged readers to do something similar."

"Originally published by The Daily Caller and later syndicated or aggregated by several other websites, including Fox Nation, an offshoot of Fox News' website, it carried an unsubtle headline: "Here's A Reel Of Cars Plowing Through Protesters Trying To Block The Road."

"Embedded in the article was a minute-and-a-half long video showing one vehicle after another driving through demonstrations."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html

See instructional video here:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/08/15/january_daily_caller_video_demonstrates_how_to_plow_through_protesters_with.html

Meljames · August 16, 2017

3 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

You're a bit confused. The ANC was not an organization that espoused nonviolence

I referenced Mandela not the ANC.

Obama had a good quote that's circulating through the media today, specifically what I had in mind was

from Long Walk to Freedom:

“It was a useful reminder that all men, even the most seemingly cold-blooded, have a core of decency, and that if their heart is touched, they are capable of changing.”

Edited August 16, 2017 by Meljames

ilostmypassword · August 16, 2017

4 minutes ago, Meljames said:

I referenced Mandela not the ANC.

Obama had a good quote that's circulating through the media today, specifically what I had in mind was

from Long Walk to Freedom:

“It was a useful reminder that all men, even the most seemingly cold-blooded, have a core of decency, and that if their heart is touched, they are capable of changing.”

So, you believe that Mandela, the head of the ANC, was opposed to the ANC's violence? Did he ever denounce it?

Meljames · August 16, 2017

16 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

So, you believe that Mandela, the head of the ANC, was opposed to the ANC's violence? Did he ever denounce it?

I think Mandela fought a long hard fight and walked away from it with lessons the rest of us can gain from. Same as MLK and others. The US is moving through difficult times; as citizens we can give into our rage and caveman tendencies or we can lean on the lessons of people who have gone through similar difficulties. Not fighting the people who are showing you the basest of disrespect isn't easy but it yields a better outcome than sticks and stones.

ilostmypassword · August 16, 2017

Just now, Meljames said:

I think Mandela fought a long hard fight and walked away from it with lessons the rest of us can gain from. Same as MLK and others. The US is moving through difficult times; as citizens we can give into our rage and caveman tendencies or we can lean on the lessons of people who have gone through similar difficulties. Not fighting the people who are showing you the basest of disrespect isn't easy but it yields a better outcome than sticks and stones.

Just the same, unlike MLK and Gandhi, Mandela did not eschew violence. I want to make clear that I am not finding fault with him for that.

KunMatt · August 16, 2017

No one should have any illusions about what's really going on here. The names may have changed. Racists now call themselves 'racialists.' White supremacists now call themselves 'white nationalists.' The paranoid fringe now called itself 'alt-right.' But the hate burns just as bright.

You missed an important hate group from your list. You know the one. The one causing all of this trouble.

And after his speech today, your President now has them in his sights. And seeing how they are an anti-Trump hate group I can't wait to see how he will deal with them.

Their true colours will soon be exposed for all.

Thakkar · August 16, 2017

4 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

You missed an important hate group from your list. You know the one. The one causing all of this trouble.

And after his speech today, your President now has them in his sights. And seeing how they are an anti-Trump hate group I can't wait to see how he will deal with them.

Their true colours will soon be exposed for all.

No, I don't know the group you are talking about. Please name them and please prove that whoever they are, are a designated hate group or terrorist group or have committed acts of actual terrorism as defined by government authorities.

Opl · August 16, 2017

7 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

You missed an important hate group from your list. You know the one. The one causing all of this trouble.

And after his speech today, your President now has them in his sights. And seeing how they are an anti-Trump hate group I can't wait to see how he will deal with them.

Their true colours will soon be exposed for all.

Antifa = antibody (proteinsrecruited by the immune system to identify and neutralize foreign objects like bacteria and viruses such as racism, bigotry, antisemistism... KKK, neo nazis, oath keepers, white supremacists etc...)

KunMatt · August 16, 2017

No, I don't know the group you are talking about. Please name them and please prove that whoever they are, are a designated hate group or terrorist group or have committed acts of actual terrorism as defined by government authorities.

These "Anarchist Extremists" as documented under "domestic terrorism" on the NJ Homeland Security webpage.

https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antifa

Again, I can't wait to see what Trump does about this hate group aswell as all current hate groups, because unlike you I don't support a hate group that pushes my agenda while lecturing everyone that they MUST also pick their side.

onthesoi · August 16, 2017

5 hours ago, Meljames said:

My opinion; times like these it's good to remember MLK, Gandhi, Mandela et al.

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

G.

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