Trump pushes debunked 'pig's blood' myth, hours after Barcelona attack

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, elliss said:

       President Trump was  democratically elected .  God bless America.

I don't see the connection between the two sentences. 

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, elliss said:

       President Trump was  democratically elected .  God bless America.

So was KIm Jong Un

 

So was Ismail Hania President of Palestine representing Hamas. So what is your point? It seems quite a few 'Democratically elected people around the world are not acceptable to the USA. Well the USA democratically elected President is not acceptable to most of the rest of the World and around 65-70% of Americans. God Bless the World.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Andaman Al

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, elliss said:

       President Trump was  democratically elected .  God bless America.

Well, god bless the electoral college and Putin.

[hawker9000]

18 hours ago, Golgota said:

Especially knowing on USA soil most of the terrorist attacks are done by white right wing extremists...

TOTAL, yet typical in its mindlessness, wingnut BS.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, hawker9000 said:

TOTAL, yet typical in its mindlessness, wingnut BS.

In the past decade or so, White Right Wing extremists have murdered more people in the US than any other domestic extremist group. Reports for research...

 

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, hawker9000 said:

TOTAL, yet typical in its mindlessness, wingnut BS.

"A Dark & Constant Rage: 25 Years of Right-Wing Terrorism in the United States analyzes 150 terrorist acts committed, attempted, or plotted by right-wing extremists. More than 800 people were killed or injured in these attacks, which surged during the mid-to-late 1990s and again starting in 2009. The report reveals that white supremacists (64 incidents) and anti-government extremists such as militia groups and sovereign citizens (63 incidents) were responsible for the vast majority of the terror episodes."

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-exposes-right-wing-terrorism-threat-in-the-us

 

The report analyzes terror attacks from 2009-2016. 2 percent of terrorist attacks came from the left. 24% came from Muslims. And 74% came from the right.

 

[Tug]

He is a national disgrace a really nasty piece of work hopefully we survive the trump era 

[dabhand]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

In the past decade or so, White Right Wing extremists have murdered more people in the US than any other domestic extremist group. Reports for research...

 

http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df

Maybe you missed this comment in your 2nd link: 

However, the sheer number of people killed by Islamist extremists ― a total of 90 people killed ― was higher than the death toll at the hands of right-wing extremists ― 79 people killed.

 

Also, the table (pgs 33+34) in the 1st link had the split 119/106 again with Islamist connected deaths in the majority.   

 

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, dabhand said:

Maybe you missed this comment in your 2nd link: 

However, the sheer number of people killed by Islamist extremists ― a total of 90 people killed ― was higher than the death toll at the hands of right-wing extremists ― 79 people killed.

 

Also, the table (pgs 33+34) in the 1st link had the split 119/106 again with Islamist connected deaths in the majority.   

 

Apologies, my error. Though one could say White Far Right murders are less "successful" or maybe more targeted as their number of attacks resulting in murder were 62, compared with Islamists attacks at 23 for the period. However, it does demonstrate Islamists are not unique in their desire to kill innocents, based on ideology, as claimed by some.

[dabhand]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Apologies, my error. Though one could say White Far Right murders are less "successful" or maybe more targeted as their number of attacks resulting in murder were 62, compared with Islamists attacks at 23 for the period. However, it does demonstrate Islamists are not unique in their desire to kill innocents, based on ideology, as claimed by some.

Going back just a few more years, say to include 9/11 in the stats, would result in a rather different picture when making comparisons between WFR and Islamist related deaths.

Strange how so many of such comparisons seem to start subsequent to that date..................

[simple1]

39 minutes ago, dabhand said:

Going back just a few more years, say to include 9/11 in the stats, would result in a rather different picture when making comparisons between WFR and Islamist related deaths.

Strange how so many of such comparisons seem to start subsequent to that date..................

Could be wrong, but possible 9/11 is treated as a mass casualty terror attack by foreign nationals, therefore not incorporated into comparison domestic based terror stats.

[stevenl]

43 minutes ago, dabhand said:

Going back just a few more years, say to include 9/11 in the stats, would result in a rather different picture when making comparisons between WFR and Islamist related deaths.

Strange how so many of such comparisons seem to start subsequent to that date..................

Yes, would be 24 islamists attacks for the period.

[Andaman Al]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Could be wrong, but possible 9/11 is treated as a mass casualty terror attack by foreign nationals, therefore not incorporated into comparison domestic based terror stats.

I am with you, but lets not dilute history, It was a mass casualty terror attack by Saudi Nationals - something the USA seemed to forget within days of the event.

[rtr4]

On 8/18/2017 at 0:13 AM, Jingthing said:

Yeah, this same sleazy lying clown president that publicly insults credible news sources like CNN, Washington Post, New York Times calling out  "fake news" like a bratty 10 year old, while he's a good buddy with truly insane fake news / conspiracy theory  site Infowars. To this pig's blood dog whistle, the correct response is fake HISTORY. 

Cnn a credible newsource. I must laugh. Maybe 30 years ago.

They lost me when they literally staged the so called "moslim against" demonstration with half dozen of staged people. I was disgusted. So please do not call CNN credible. They are NOT!!

[Srikcir]

13 minutes ago, rtr4 said:

They lost me

You were easily lost.

 

In response, CNN’s public relations Twitter feed replied: “This is nonsense. Police let demonstrators through the cordon to show their signs. CNN along with other media simply filmed them doing so.”

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/social-media-users-accuse-cnn-of-fake-news-over-staged-london-attack-protest/news-story/48d9966b71d72a26149b9f9ebae75465

http://www.newsweek.com/cnn-donald-trump-jr-fake-news-muslims-london-621469

 

[smotherb]

On 8/18/2017 at 9:03 AM, FreddieRoyle said:

Interesting idea. I wonder how potential islamic terrorists would feel if they knew their corpse would be fed to swine, or buried wrapped in swine offal? 

 

 It is comforting to know there is one world leader taking this islamic terror seriously.

Taking it seriously by making-up lies about it? Trump is the purveyor of this fake news and continues to bleat such claptrap on the ignorant who believe him.

[simple1]

19 minutes ago, rtr4 said:

Cnn a credible newsource. I must laugh. Maybe 30 years ago.

They lost me when they literally staged the so called "moslim against" demonstration with half dozen of staged people. I was disgusted. So please do not call CNN credible. They are NOT!!

Which was proven to be a false allegation by "fake news". Perhaps more to the point if the likes of CNN make an error in reporting it is acknowledged, unlike 'alternative' media outlets.

 

http://www.snopes.com/cnn-muslim-protests-london/

Edited August 19, 2017 by simple1

[zydeco]

It seems that comments to this topic are not even trying to address the claim of the OP. Too bad, because not only does the biographer of Pershing mentioned above (who met the general and worked with his son and family in preparing the text) attest to the "pig blood" tactic but so did Pershing himself in his memoirs.

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, zydeco said:

It seems that comments to this topic are not even trying to address the claim of the OP. Too bad, because not only does the biographer of Pershing mentioned above (who met the general and worked with his son and family in preparing the text) attest to the "pig blood" tactic but so did Pershing himself in his memoirs.

The author of the unauthorized autobiography stated that he met briefly with Pershing and that Pershing gave him little information.

 

Can you give a link to the memoirs that substantiate the pig blood tactic?

 

[zydeco]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The author of the unauthorized autobiography stated that he met briefly with Pershing and that Pershing gave him little information.

 

Can you give a link to the memoirs that substantiate the pig blood tactic?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing#cite_note-autobio-31

[Srikcir]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The author of the unauthorized autobiography stated that he met briefly with Pershing and that Pershing gave him little information.

 

Can you give a link to the memoirs that substantiate the pig blood tactic?

 

Fact Check:

"Pershing’s strategy was to surround the Moros and wait them out while attempting to induce them to surrender, a strategy that worked effectively: the Bud Dajo campaign ended with only twelve Moro casualties."

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp

 

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, zydeco said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing#cite_note-autobio-31

" These juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that Muhhamadans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures, but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins. "

 

An offensive practice, but not the pigs blood story that keeps being referenced.  There is also no reason to think that such practices would work outside of the 19th century Philippines. In the modern world such practices are more likely to enrage Muslims and result in many more recruits for the radicals.

Edited August 19, 2017 by heybruce

[zydeco]

14 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Fact Check:

"Pershing’s strategy was to surround the Moros and wait them out while attempting to induce them to surrender, a strategy that worked effectively: the Bud Dajo campaign ended with only twelve Moro casualties."

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp

 

Sometimes you need somebody to fact check the fact checkers, especially when the fact checkers are history "buffs" or other non professionals such as this one at snopes with his B.S. in computer sience.

 

In 1913, Pershing personally led American and Filipino troops in a fight against the last holdouts of Moro resistance in a cotta, or fort, on the mountain Bud Bagsak. By the end of the attack, the Muslim fighters had run out of bullets, and were left throwing their barong knives and daggers at the Americans. “One last assault, the walls were scaled, and the cotta fell. Almost every warrior, woman, and child in the cotta died,” Abinales and Amoroso have written. Hundreds of people were killed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/pershing-trump-terrorism/537300/

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

" These juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that Muhhamadans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures, but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins. "

 

An offensive practice, but not the pigs blood story that keeps being referenced.  There is also no reason to think that such practices would work outside of the 19th century Philippines. In the modern world such practices are more likely to enrage Muslims and result in many more recruits for the radicals.

It didn't work at the time as well, Moro remained in upheavel for a long time. Even stronger, a case could be made that it is still going on in similar fashion.

[simple1]

42 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It didn't work at the time as well, Moro remained in upheavel for a long time. Even stronger, a case could be made that it is still going on in similar fashion.

Precisely, except for Daesh adherents, the way forward in the Philippines for some form of Muslim regional autonomy was and is political. To date in a 40 year internal conflict 150k lives lost  - utter stupidity by all parties. But going off topic, some posts above forget Trump claimed 49 out of 50 rebels were executed with bullets coated in pig's blood which led to a cessation of hostilities for 35 years. So far I haven't come across any credible info that backs up his claim.

Edited August 19, 2017 by simple1

[Scott]

Questionable post and replies removed.  

[iReason]

The ignorant occupier of the White House began spinning his LIE to the lemmings on the campaign trail.  While referring to the Philippine locals who were being invaded and protecting their own country, as terrorists.

And inferring they were all Muslims. When in fact, the large majority were Catholics/Christian. 86% to date.

 

 

 

Terrorists.

This cretin is a real despicable piece of work.

[elliss]

On 8/18/2017 at 8:22 PM, Andaman Al said:

So was KIm Jong Un

 

So was Ismail Hania President of Palestine representing Hamas. So what is your point? It seems quite a few 'Democratically elected people around the world are not acceptable to the USA. 

   That  just about sums  up democracy .

       Military Junta, is our destiny /fate in LOS, we are truely  blessed .

Edited August 19, 2017 by elliss

[anon4546543]

I visited a fort, circa US colonialism of Philippines south of Cebu City on the island of Cebu . (1990) I was shown cells of Islam" problem makers" Later, outside the fort, I was shown a large grassed area. This area once held trenches where Muslim fighters were shot the guide said.  The trenches were filled with pig carcasses. I cannot verify the truth, people of Cebu think it is true. 

[67Vagabond]

Jingthing, there's a whole lot of things you dont see.