Australian man victim of violent assault in popular Pattaya bar - report

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, hottrader77 said:

Nah i would have beaten the sh.t out of him ! he is coward just like the guy in this story ! ha 

 

That's probably exactly what the poor Aussie in the OP thought...  Didn't go so well for him.  

 

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, Henrik Andersen said:

Ban all the beer bar's 

So all this stupid guys meaby not coming to Thailand 

Bar's are for no good 

Yes, and while we are at it, also ban all vehicles and motorbikes off the roads.

[Araiwah]

5 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

I used to enjoy going to bars when I was in my 20s and 30s... Apart from the occasional glassing, fights were generally 1 on 1 and finished if someone went down.

There are too many news reports like this one these days, stomping on heads !!! Why ? Really, why ??

Now in my mid 40s, I no longer go to bars and am quite happy living the rural life, away from tourist mayhem...

 

RIP to the Aussie, condolences to his family. Hope the American is suitably punished for his reprehensible behavior, if convicted..

Seems the Aussie started it all mate. The American should get off with self defence if it really is the case. Needless death and a sad case for all involved nonetheless.

[Time Traveller]

1 minute ago, Araiwah said:

Seems the Aussie started it all mate. The American should get off with self defence if it really is the case. Needless death and a sad case for all involved nonetheless.

stomping on someone's head 15 times is self defence ? 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Araiwah said:

Seems the Aussie started it all mate. The American should get off with self defence if it really is the case. Needless death and a sad case for all involved nonetheless.

 

Even if the Aussie started it, self defense stops when the guy is no longer a threat.  Not 20 stomps to the head later.

 

[cornishcarlos]

1 minute ago, Araiwah said:

Seems the Aussie started it all mate. The American should get off with self defence if it really is the case. Needless death and a sad case for all involved nonetheless.

 

Self defense or not, stamping on someones head repeatedly is just psycho behavior.

If he is convicted then he should serve a long sentence..

[puffy]

18 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Actually, it is not murder. A charge of 'murder' requires premeditation.

This would be a charge of 'manslaughter' if the victim dies.

Murder does not require premeditation, the law is clear, if the act is likely to cause death in the eyes of a reasonable person it is murder.

For example the guy who drove the wrong way down a highway and killed someone was charged with murder. This was because a reasonable

person would be able to fore see that this action is likely to cause a persons death. A premeditated murder will often result in a longer jail term.

The question as to whether this is murder is whether a normal person in the same circumstances could predict that his actions would likely 

result in that persons death.Stop getting your info from movies.

[Acemaker]

22 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Maybe prison is where they got hard .

Try get into the U.S. today if you have a criminal record, almost impossible, however Thailand welcomes all scum regardless of past History.

[TheFishman1]

And everybody there just looked on TIT

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, sn1per said:

Good idea, ban all the beer bars, then to fill time maybe we can start a bridge club or play darts

No! Darts are now illegal. Well some report says they are.

[maxcorrigan]

5 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

I used to enjoy going to bars when I was in my 20s and 30s... Apart from the occasional glassing, fights were generally 1 on 1 and finished if someone went down.

There are too many news reports like this one these days, stomping on heads !!! Why ? Really, why ??

Now in my mid 40s, I no longer go to bars and am quite happy living the rural life, away from tourist mayhem...

 

RIP to the Aussie, condolences to his family. Hope the American is suitably punished for his reprehensible behavior, if convicted..

If you read the report, it seems the ozzie was being abusive to the bar staff and the Amrican before the incedant, how true the report is i have no idea, other than it being confirmed by several witnesses in the bar!

Does'nt justify that kind of beating though, it sounds more of a drunken frenzy than anything else, which is probably why he handed himself in after sobering up 

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, jacko45k said:

And....?

Which bar in the UK, I will stay away from it!

Not enough room to name them all.

[NoshowJones]

18 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Actually, it is not murder. A charge of 'murder' requires premeditation.

This would be a charge of 'manslaughter' if the victim dies.

You are probably right, but kicking a person in the face or head repeatedly after he is

down and cannot get up, is as premeditated as you will get.

[elnet1]

3 minutes ago, Araiwah said:

Seems the Aussie started it all mate. The American should get off with self defence if it really is the case. Needless death and a sad case for all involved nonetheless.

American here, even if the Aussie started it, the American went way overboard in the use of excessive violence.

 

Self-defense is defined as the right to prevent suffering force or violence through the use of a sufficient level of counteracting force or violence. ... What goes beyond that level?  For example, if the Aussie threw the first punch, then the American should have only used enough force to defend himself. Repeatedly punching the Aussie unconscious and then head stomping him, might lead to an "assault with a deadly weapon (foot)" charge, at least that is what they have been charging people with in the US now days. And when the person dies, then it might be upgraded to manslaughter or murder charge, but this being Thailand, maybe they will say its karma and thats all, which is BS.

 

Examples in the US where one punch causes a death and murder charges are filed:

 

-Johnson was charged Tuesday with second-degree murder without intent after he hit Anthony Quinn Shriver in the face [once] around 2:40 a.m. Shriver, 22, of Waconia, died several hours later after he was struck, according to documents filed in Stearns County District Court.

 

-Police say after looking at video and talking to witnesses, they were able to determine that Collier’s injuries resulted from a single punch from 25-year-old Samed Ali Shah. Investigators say Collier and Shah got into a verbal altercation and Shah punched Collier, knocking him unconscious.

[TKDfella]

On 2/11/2018 at 10:50 AM, saakura said:

Oh my God. This is going to be very tough for all our resident thai bashing keyboard warriors. A gang of 5 farangs attacking a weaker person and stomping on his face while he was down!! 

Nope your wrong. Certainly not afraid to call something what it is. Gangs, whether Thai, American, British etc. do it for similar reasons. Kick someone while they're down 'cos he ain't like to get up and fight. One on one is so passé they would say.

Edited February 12, 2018 by TKDfella

[Acemaker]

2 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Thanks for the link.  I read it.  Here is an excerpt.....

 

"An American man has been arrested over the incident. Local media report the man initially fled the scene but then handed himself into police.

Both the Australian man and the American had been drinking heavily in the bar for several hours before the violence began."

 

Message to Thai authorities:  don't let the murder suspect use the soggy excuse, "I was drunk, so I didn't know what I was doing."  If found guilty in court, the suspect should get the full force of the law.   

 

Again, I'll ask:  Is this a drug-related crime?   If you answer 'no', then you're probably full of putrid sugars (note, that's what alcohol is: fermented sugars).  The next stages are vinegar then formaldehyde.   hams.cc/metabolism/

 

 

Vinegar ! wow, first dicovered by the Brewers of Chang no doubt.    

[NoshowJones]

17 hours ago, NanLaew said:

This is just the sort of event that could trigger a knee-jerk reaction from the 'Pattaya for families' protagonists and result in a major clampdown and cleanout of the fetid swamp called Soi 6.

 

Pity.

Soi 6 is a place of entertainment, beer bars etc, where many decent people go to, just like other places in Pattaya, if you want a cleanout of Soi 6, you may as well do it everywhere else.

[roadrunner32]

18 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Actually, it is not murder. A charge of 'murder' requires premeditation.

This would be a charge of 'manslaughter' if the victim dies.

It's not a manslaughter it's a voluntary murder. If you hit a head by punches and kicks using brutal force  you are well aware that this can lead a people to death. It's not like as in the movies that they always get up. Therefore no excuses no extenuating circumstances. 

[NoshowJones]

15 hours ago, Henrik Andersen said:

It was a joke try read all post na and no I not go beerbar I not drinking but I have no problem with beerbars 

"but I have no problem with beerbars". That is certainly not the way your post came across.

I have no problem with beer bars, or anywhere else that sells alcohol, but I do have a very big problem with drunks.

[Cancerian]

22 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Maybe prison is where they got hard .

Hard? They week as piss when on there own or when there victims are lying on the floor unconscious. Cowardly act performed by a coward. Give him to me for half a hour I will prove how week and cowardly he is. I will make him cry and piss his pants

[tingtongtourist]

3 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

If there was drinking alcohol involved, then it's a drug-related crime (along with whatever else types of crime).

 

The media is so quick to label crimes "Drug-Related" if there happens to be speed or heroin involved, but never calls it drug-related if the people are drunk.  Alcohol is a drug, plain and simple.  It's also the most harmful drug on the planet.

I do agree but i think the only reason alcohol is the most dangerous because it is legal and cheap (here in LOS anyway)

as such, these geezers can pretty much have as much as they want without regulation and no barman here will say "you had enough"

if you got monkey they serve you all night

not like other countries

 

Yes, you would think long term acohol abuse must cause mental illness.

but if other drugs were legal and people could get them anywhere and cheap many would be a lot worse.

 

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, Fish Head Soup said:

I have heard that the American was on his own, the Australian was with a friend and that the Australian was the initial aggressor, drunk and abusive and had grabbed a girl who was working in the bar by the throat, the American went over and told him to let her go and was attacked by the Australian, they then exchanged blows and the Australian came out of it far worse off. Just what I have been told and I'm not stating it as fact. CCTV will soon show what happened for sure.

If that is the case, there is still no need to keep on kicking the guy in the face and head repeatedly

when he was on the floor.

[elnet1]

11 minutes ago, Cancerian said:

Hard? They week as piss when on there own or when there victims are lying on the floor unconscious. Cowardly act performed by a coward. Give him to me for half a hour I will prove how week and cowardly he is. I will make him cry and piss his pants

Plus, if he had been to prison, I doubt he would have qualified for a visa to enter Thailand in the first place?

[tryasimight]

26 minutes ago, elnet1 said:

American here, even if the Aussie started it, the American went way overboard in the use of excessive violence.

 

Self-defense is defined as the right to prevent suffering force or violence through the use of a sufficient level of counteracting force or violence. ... What goes beyond that level?  For example, if the Aussie threw the first punch, then the American should have only used enough force to defend himself. Repeatedly punching the Aussie unconscious and then head stomping him, might lead to an "assault with a deadly weapon (foot)" charge, at least that is what they have been charging people with in the US now days. And when the person dies, then it might be upgraded to manslaughter or murder charge, but this being Thailand, maybe they will say its karma and thats all, which is BS.

 

Examples in the US where one punch causes a death and murder charges are filed:

 

-Johnson was charged Tuesday with second-degree murder without intent after he hit Anthony Quinn Shriver in the face [once] around 2:40 a.m. Shriver, 22, of Waconia, died several hours later after he was struck, according to documents filed in Stearns County District Court.

 

-Police say after looking at video and talking to witnesses, they were able to determine that Collier’s injuries resulted from a single punch from 25-year-old Samed Ali Shah. Investigators say Collier and Shah got into a verbal altercation and Shah punched Collier, knocking him unconscious.

Australia has introduced laws specifically targeted at one punch killings.  Too common by far. 

[Peterw42]

3 minutes ago, elnet1 said:

Plus, if he had been to prison, I doubt he would have qualified for a visa to enter Thailand in the first place?

There are no criminal background checks for visa exempt or tourist visa entry into thailand, and often no checks for some long stay options.

[tryasimight]

Pattaya bike week..... Coincidence?

Many overseas bikers in town. 

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, MadMuhammad said:

I think you are right. A close friend of mine was just attacked by a fellow resident in the foyer of his condo, all caught on CCTV and a 3rd party’s mobile phone.

He went to the hospital then presented at the Pattaya Police Station with his medical report, video footage and visible injuries. The police have declined to investigate further.

I think we all know why that was.

[jacko45k]

28 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Soi 6 is a place of entertainment, beer bars etc, where many decent people go to, just like other places in Pattaya, if you want a cleanout of Soi 6, you may as well do it everywhere else.

I seem to have developed a different opinion living in Pattaya.... it is, shall we say, one end of the extremes.

Disneyland it ain't!

 

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, Araiwah said:

Seems the Aussie started it all mate. The American should get off with self defence if it really is the case. Needless death and a sad case for all involved nonetheless.

Self defence repeatedly kicking the guy in the face and head while he is down??????

[MadMuhammad]

23 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I think we all know why that was.

For the same reason most balcony falls are considered suicide?